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author: _noticemesenpai_ time: 2017-6-11 02:17:51 Title: Mugestsu

Besides working on his EVO and Mods, is he lacking anything else? Maybe block or counter? I want to make him a heavy hitter who can also tank heavy hitters.

author: real_xyz time: 2017-6-11 02:34:05

Put 90% counter and 90% Blockrate (Only if your VG is already at 90%) and 90% Crit rate
Evolve your Evo and Mods

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author: _noticemesenpai_ time: 2017-6-11 02:39:42

real_xyz replied at 2017-6-11 02:34
Put 90% counter and 90% Blockrate (Only if your VG is already at 90%) and 90% Crit rate
Evolve your ...

Vang has 90% both. I can probably almost 90% Him as well.

author: real_xyz time: 2017-6-11 02:53:18

Tell me the number of your server please i'm coming ^^

author: [email protected] time: 2017-6-11 03:18:27

its not hard, stack him like u whould stack a vg and a assaulter, focus on hes kido def and hp, not really needed to focus hes phy def cuz im guessin u'll be givin him highest str stones

author: Rokianas time: 2017-6-11 04:17:31

Make his hit ~250, max out crit, break is good, NEED COUNTER if you want to make him a bit tanky (you know what counter is for, right?) Block is actually good (yet many people have 90break, so it's hard to block without any bonus block these days). Also make every piece of his gear be able to hold 8stones and put some Wisdom too (for kido defense). T1 is essential and also would be OP to get Red Blood enchant (to heal him for 5% of his dmg done). Also, reinforce all of his equipment to max and Infuse SPirit to lvl20 (max it out too).

But on the other hand, i see you got Raijin Yourichi, so i don't really know why you even focus on Mugetsu

author: _noticemesenpai_ time: 2017-6-11 04:39:36

Rokianas replied at 2017-6-11 04:17
Make his hit ~250, max out crit, break is good, NEED COUNTER if you want to make him a bit tanky (yo ...

I have the counter, just need more stones for the slots. His equip is infused to level 20.

I mean he can tank some pretty decent hits.. Just really need him to start putting in some serious work..

Well, I kinda like my team to be well balanced.. She's pretty good at the moment.. Needs a little more work.

author: Rokianas time: 2017-6-11 04:44:21

_noticemesenpai_ replied at 2017-6-11 11:39
I have the counter, just need more stones for the slots. His equip is infused to level 20.

I mea ...

Ahmmmm....
I'm almost f2p player, so don't really even look at orange partners

So my question might seem silly, but.... Why doesn't your Raijin got any Crit? O.o

author: _noticemesenpai_ time: 2017-6-11 04:47:36

Rokianas replied at 2017-6-11 04:44
Ahmmmm....
I'm almost f2p player, so don't really even look at orange partners
So my question ...

Well simple.. I trade out Mugetsu with B.Renji, then Ichibe with Mugetsu for events and what not

author: [email protected] time: 2017-6-11 04:48:39

Guess I will stack him much harder than yama if mugetsu will be in the next ubp.

author: 595459354 time: 2017-6-11 06:06:36

Not possible.

In the current Rujin jaka VG meta.. there's no way to be able to tank ignite+mutilate on outdated characters at all.

ps: you're using a 6format set.. try using a 4-2 or 2-2-2 for that extra immunity

author: badbone time: 2017-6-11 08:51:57

595459354 replied at 2017-6-11 06:06
Not possible.

In the current Rujin jaka VG meta.. there's no way to be able to tank ignite+mutilate ...

you mean even your kukaku is burning now with muken buffing RJ burn

author: [email protected] time: 2017-6-11 08:59:08

595459354 replied at 2017-6-11 19:06
Not possible.

In the current Rujin jaka VG meta.. there's no way to be able to tank ignite+mutilate ...

I don't think that extra immunity will reduce the effect of mutilate and burn because these two effects are based on caster's damage and there's a fixed amount for the damage dealt by these two effects.

author: Devvoke2 time: 2017-6-11 09:57:09

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author: Prince-Vegeta time: 2017-6-11 13:28:04

nice mugs he will be badass when your done with him xD i been working on my hiki these past 3 days she needs a lil more block and more crit [attach]19366[/attach]

author: jimmycricketwin5298 time: 2017-6-11 13:51:23

Edited by jimmycricketwin5298 at 2017-6-11 12:55

Rokianas replied at 2017-6-11 03:17
Make his hit ~250, max out crit, break is good, NEED COUNTER if you want to make him a bit tanky (yo ...

As someone who overwrote his Psychic for Blood, I would actually say that the Blood Enchant is terrible. If you're wondering if it's because I do no damage, I put it on my D.Ichi who is T1 and 1 shots the enemy team even if they are the same BP as me, tho their VG usually has a quarter-half HP. Even then, I only heal about 50,000 HP on that t1 skill. With regular attacks it is about 10,000 HP. It's better to use the Revive blue enchant that gives 3% max HP per action as its a constant 45k HP if you have 1.5mil HP.
Your Mugetsu seems to have probably 600K HP so it'll regen 18k HP per action with 3% Revive, and it'll probably do about 500k per skill, which is 25k HP with Blood, but your regular attack will do at most 200k, which will regen only 10k HP. It's better to regen a constant 18k per action, than 25k on your skill (less if they r tanky) and then 10k with a basic attack. Again, the more tanky the are, the less health you will get out of your 5% of damage done.

author: Zuberic time: 2017-6-11 14:05:12

Suma's Mugetsu is pretty tanky: http://mybankai.game.ggcorp.me/fightreport/?rid=594481517451640278&aid=58&t=1&lang=en_US he's getting healed from Haschwalth though.

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Bonds are far from max Suma never upgraded them lmao.

author: _noticemesenpai_ time: 2017-6-11 21:07:59

jimmycricketwin5298 replied at 2017-6-11 13:51
As someone who overwrote his Psychic for Blood, I would actually say that the Blood Enchant is terr ...

His hp in pvp is about a million. So basically use the revive enchant on him??

author: [email protected] time: 2017-6-11 22:50:42

_noticemesenpai_ replied at 2017-6-12 10:07
His hp in pvp is about a million. So basically use the revive enchant on him??

Does this means that the 20% crit damage from enchant will not stack with tensa's?

author: Rokianas time: 2017-6-12 01:58:48

jimmycricketwin5298 replied at 2017-6-11 20:51
As someone who overwrote his Psychic for Blood, I would actually say that the Blood Enchant is terr ...

If you heal for 50k hp while having Red life steal enchant, means you deal only 1kk dmg.
So you totally suck on dmg (srr for that, but you attacked me, i'm not going to sit here and let you drop dirt on to me).
So, if you deal 1kk dmg you get 50k HP back with 5% life steal.
If you have 1kk HP you get 30k HP back with 3% revive.
And you WILL ALWAYS heal for same low amount with revive, but with life steal, your heal depends on dmg done, and then you hit all enemies team, and they have atleast 500k HP on each champion, you deal 2.5kk minimum (considering you main that champ and kill everyone or atleast do major of their HP) and from that you heal for 125k hp.
5% of dmg done is much much much much much much better for someone who deals dmg instead of 3% from HP. 1kk dmg gives you 50k HP. But who in the hell would do ONLY 1kk dmg on full enemies formation?
Sure, if you attack someone who's 10kk BP lower than you, then they don't even have more hp than that in their full formation. So stop talking and make some maths before trashtalking someone.

author: _noticemesenpai_ time: 2017-6-12 02:09:09

Rokianas replied at 2017-6-12 01:58
If you heal for 50k hp while having Red life steal enchant, means you deal only 1kk dmg.
So you to ...

My Mugestsu hits pretty hard..

author: Rokianas time: 2017-6-12 02:20:13

_noticemesenpai_ replied at 2017-6-12 09:09
My Mugestsu hits pretty hard..

So make maths yourself.
You say in pvp he has ~1kk hp, so he would heal for 30k every single round.
Now... What he hits for? If he hits atleast 1kk (average) per round, blood is already alot better since it heals for 50k (average) per round.
The only problem with Mugetsu, is that he don't get to use his skill every single round, so one time he hits everyone and 100% heals more with life steal than revive, but then he does his basic attack, he most likely heals little less with life steal than revive.
Let me know more details about his dmg's and stuff if you want me to help you with counting (yet it's pretty simple revive heal is always same, so not much to count, but with life steal it's bit more complicated since he will heal for different amount every single time).

author: jimmycricketwin5298 time: 2017-6-12 02:58:44

Rokianas replied at 2017-6-12 00:58
If you heal for 50k hp while having Red life steal enchant, means you deal only 1kk dmg.
So you to ...

Ah I'm sorry man. I didn't mean to make it seem like I was attacking you. I'm just a numbers type of guy, my apologies. I just wanted to give some numbers to make it easier to understand and to back my case.. Yeah I do understand what you mean though. With a lot of damage, I should be healing for 100k HP. I thought so too since all my enemies have 700k HP and above and I 1 shot them, but the most HP I have seen for lifesteal was 58k HP. I don't know why, so yeah I guess my math is wrong in that perspective. But the conceptual of you would have to deal tons of damage with a "balanced" Mugetsu that she plans to have isn't ideal. I stacked my D.Ichi and he still only heals 58k HP max.
Though I will say this though, if you are fighting someone with similar BP, they will have more Immune and Def so they will deal less damage. Meaning I would do less damage to someone with the same BP as me than someone with less BP than me.

author: _noticemesenpai_ time: 2017-6-12 03:01:58

Rokianas replied at 2017-6-12 02:20
So make maths yourself.
You say in pvp he has ~1kk hp, so he would heal for 30k every single round ...

His overall damage in pvp? Going against the 2nd strongest on my server he hits everyone for about 1mill total

author: jimmycricketwin5298 time: 2017-6-12 03:03:46

Rokianas replied at 2017-6-12 01:20
So make maths yourself.
You say in pvp he has ~1kk hp, so he would heal for 30k every single round ...

Again, I don't want to seem like I'm being hostile towards you, I just want to have this argument with you in case you are 100% correct and I need to redo my strats. However, if I see the slightest reasonable doubt, I tend to pick at it to make sure that I'm wrong for sure. I'm only poking at small stuff so I either know I'm 100% right, or 100% wrong.

Anyways, my Kirin has Blood and I stacked him just as much as D.Ichi. He is a Kido so he does more damage to VG than my D.Ichi does. Most of the time, the VG will be alive when you 1 shot the enemy team, or the VG will still be alive with the team. If they are alive, usually the basic attack is way weaker than the skill on a VG, especially if their VG blocks. A majority of the time my Kirin or D.Ichi will attack the enemy VG and heal for about 10k HP or less. If the enemy VG is reincarnated, then my damage is cut by 30% towards that VG and I will heal for maybe 6-7k HP. So the non-skill attack lifesteal is pretty much negligable in that regards if you are healing about 125k HP anyways.

author: jimmycricketwin5298 time: 2017-6-12 03:15:14

_noticemesenpai_ replied at 2017-6-11 20:07
His hp in pvp is about a million. So basically use the revive enchant on him??

I'm not gonna try and tell you what to do as it is your Mugetsu, I just wanna give you options to choose from.
Now understand this; As the number of enemies dwindle, meaning you killed pretty much the whole team except for 2, then you will AOE lifesteal less than if you AOE lifesteal a 5 man team. If your Muggie is stacked and is suppose to 1-shot the team or 2-3 turn them, then Blood is doesn't matter much.

However, I see that your Muggie is balanced with the rest of your team so it appears to be more balance-defensive while dealing some damage. If you plan to give Muggie Counter-Wis-Block stones to him, giving him Revive goes a further way than Blood does. Muggie is super fast and will probably skill first so that 1.5mil damage you do the first turn will heal you a bunch, but that doesn't matter if you skill first. So that means that Blood is only viable for you next basic attack and your next skill.

By the time you skill next, there will be 2 enemies left. The VG, and the super stacked Cash partner the enemy has. There is no way all 5 of the enemy team will live, so the average is 2 people left. If you skill when there are two people left, at most you will deal 800k-1mil damage, healing for about 50k HP. Your previous and next basic attack is on the enemy VG so you will deal maybe 150k-200k dmg healing only a little.

TL;DR Blood only works if you AOE skill all 5 on the enemy team and deal tons of damage. The heal payout is better than Revive, HOWEVER, strong AOE skills tend to skill t1 and you won't even be scratched by the time you skill, so you will heal 150k HP, but you're already at full health... So, you're Blood willl heal you on your next Basic attack and your next skill. By the time you skill your 2nd time, there will probably be 2 people left, so there is no chance to deal 1,500,000 damage if there are only 2 partners to do it to.

author: [email protected] time: 2017-6-12 04:06:22

uhmm, not sure its that complicated, if ur muggie is barely alive after enemy suport skills then BS is good, if ur left with enemy vg and its a stacked vg that u cant 1-2 shot, revive better since bs is kinda bad vs 1 target

author: _noticemesenpai_ time: 2017-6-12 04:27:52

jimmycricketwin5298 replied at 2017-6-12 03:15
I'm not gonna try and tell you what to do as it is your Mugetsu, I just wanna give you options to c ...

You explained it so well.. And here I thought you were just a troll..

Honestly, I haven't been playing this game for that long. So a lot is still confusing.

I was trying to make Raijin and Mugestsu my 2 heavy hitters. While the rest of my team acts as a def increase/damage increase/ shield support type of thing.

Ichibe also heals as well. So I'm not really sure what to do..

Honestly just love Mugestsu and need him to be a pain in the ass to others. So I started putting on counter and wisdom.. Thought i'd leave block out.

author: Rokianas time: 2017-6-12 04:49:19

jimmycricketwin5298 replied at 2017-6-12 10:03
Again, I don't want to seem like I'm being hostile towards you, I just want to have this argument ...

Well i don't use it so don't really know if it's bugged or what can be wrong with it.
But from the numbers i consider it being better enchant for someone who deal dmg. For tanky as hell vg revive is most likely better one.
But as for me, i'm not using any of those anymore since fights ends in 1-2 rounds now and those enchants are pretty useless for me.

author: 595459354 time: 2017-6-12 11:39:40

badbone replied at 2017-6-11 14:51
you mean even your kukaku is burning now with muken buffing RJ burn

Not really using her anymore anyway, cba to swap that much.

But yeah, ignite + mutilate's retarded

author: 595459354 time: 2017-6-12 11:40:37

[email protected] replied at 2017-6-11 14:59
I don't think that extra immunity will reduce the effect of mutilate and burn because these two ef ...

It lowers your total dmg taken.. ofcourse there's an effect.

author: jimmycricketwin5298 time: 2017-6-12 18:54:35

_noticemesenpai_ replied at 2017-6-12 03:27
You explained it so well.. And here I thought you were just a troll..

Honestly, I haven't been p ...

Perhaps a Battle Report where it goes to 3+ rounds would help us help you even more. I didn't know you had an Ichibae, cuz that changes things a little. If it were me, I would value Revive on your Muggie over Blood as with the OP defense buff Ichibae gives along with your added Counter/Block/Wisdom stones, it will make him a hard hitter, but also super defensive as well along with his fury reduction. If he is super defensive, Revive is the way to go.

Also, I can still help people and be a FuQing Trowl

author: _noticemesenpai_ time: 2017-6-13 02:51:23

jimmycricketwin5298 replied at 2017-6-12 18:54
Perhaps a Battle Report where it goes to 3+ rounds would help us help you even more. I didn't know ...

It's really hard to find someone that can last that long tbh..

http://bleachjf.gametrees.com/fi ... ;t=1&lang=en_US

http://bleachjf.gametrees.com/fi ... ;t=1&lang=en_US

http://bleachjf.gametrees.com/fi ... ;t=1&lang=en_US

Here are some decent fights I was able to get into..

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author: jimmycricketwin5298 time: 2017-6-13 18:56:01

_noticemesenpai_ replied at 2017-6-13 01:51
It's really hard to find someone that can last that long tbh..

http://bleachjf.gametrees.com/fig ...

To be honest, you aren't at the point yet where battles last a while and where it depends on types of CC or defensive abilities like lifestealing. So really right now your best course would be to focus on t1 for your partners, perhaps switching Ichibae for a t1 fury giver such as shinso/Kisuke/Senju. As for the enchant for Muggie, the best one right now is the 20% extra crit damage from the Golden Enchant stone. Revive and Blood doesn't help you much at this point of the game.

author: _noticemesenpai_ time: 2017-6-14 01:13:55

jimmycricketwin5298 replied at 2017-6-13 18:56
To be honest, you aren't at the point yet where battles last a while and where it depends on types ...

Here's a battle report from me and my one other player in my server. He's a lot stronger then the others.

http://bleachjf.gametrees.com/fi ... ;t=1&lang=en_US

author: jimmycricketwin5298 time: 2017-6-14 02:25:52

_noticemesenpai_ replied at 2017-6-14 00:13
Here's a battle report from me and my one other player in my server. He's a lot stronger then the ...

Ahhh so your in Rhaine's server. Always saw him in CSB and void but never bothered to figure out his server. But yea your battles at this point always end in 1 or 2 turns, so life stealing doesn't mean anything to you right now, simply damage and speed is what you need, perhaps more kido defense.

author: jimmycricketwin5298 time: 2017-6-14 02:41:45

_noticemesenpai_ replied at 2017-6-14 00:13
Here's a battle report from me and my one other player in my server. He's a lot stronger then the ...

Also realized the main point of this forum post wasn't just about Enchants, but rather how to boost your Muggie overall.

As everyone stated before, give him Counter/Block/Wisdom stones and he will be a hard hitting Assaulter who also can tank out the enemy team as well as fury reduc them. Changing his mods to Block mods and Damage rate would be a quick way to boost your damage and tankiness. I recommend changing his 4th and 5th mod. You can replace his speed if you give him an extra Lvl 8-10 Agility stone. Same can be said for his HP mod. I'd rather go damage over a little HP and Speed boost. Also block is hard to raise regularly so getting a block mod is nice.

Rent partners for his bonds. Renting some of them during the Candy event last week would have been nice, but I was too late to help. You can rent the partners for the cheapest of 1 day and still use them for bonds even if they expire. I think he needs Toshiro Hitsuguya from the Black Market for 500 gold for 15% Attack when maxed out, but I don't remember the details of what I was told. The rest should be able to be rented from Limited Lease.

Evos are self explanatory. If you are building vit for UBP, don't do Evo. Evo's are generally for partners you know you'll never replace.

If you want Mugetsu to be tanky, give him a 4-2 equipment set. For example, 2 Blaze equipments mixed with 4 Dark Sword. The agility and str/wis bonuses aren't that big to be honest. Similar to the bonds, the Str/Wis bonus from the 4 of the same set is like 1 Lv. 8 Str/Wis stone. Same for the full 6 set giving you like 10,000 agility bonus. 2-2-2 is usually for VG, but if you do it for Mugetsu, 99% Immunity is the cap, so you will have to somehow rise above the cap. I suggest a simple 4-2.

Mix Accessories with him. Give Muggie the best strength ones, that is, if you have like the Lv 100+ Ultimate Accessory sets.

Pump him with exclusives if you want him stacked. Otherwise, just make him Lv. 15 Exclusive for the small extra Growth rate you get.

Give him Mod Souls with the highest star in Attack and Speed, such as the Minazuki mod. Mayuri mod for Surival. Renji for Attack and Survival and Speed.

TL;DR Jk I'm trolling don't read the all of this, its wrong

author: _noticemesenpai_ time: 2017-6-14 04:46:13

Edited by _noticemesenpai_ at 2017-6-14 04:48

jimmycricketwin5298 replied at 2017-6-14 02:41
Also realized the main point of this forum post wasn't just about Enchants, but rather how to boos ...

Just started giving him some wisdom stones as well as counter. Left block out for the moment.

Currently level 7 with his EVO, still working on it.

I was thinking about the 4-2 set for him.. Atm he has I think a 30% immunity, so it does need a lot of work...

Also he has level 8's and 9's AGI stones already with the same with HP and STR

He currently has renji for his mod soul..

Also has currently a level 20 E.Skill

So I didn't know how else to raise him.. Maybe i'm just lacking level's ... /:

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-6-14 11:43:04

_noticemesenpai_ replied at 2017-6-14 04:46
Just started giving him some wisdom stones as well as counter. Left block out for the moment.

Cur ...

hollow souls, evo, soul cultivation, mod swap, level up and socket his gear, bonds, after you get done with his evo, save for SA for a few rotations to get those stone's and hogu's levels up... this is a game of inches....

author: Shadow49999 time: 2017-6-14 23:42:10

Prince-Vegeta replied at 2017-6-11 13:28
nice mugs he will be badass when your done with him xD i been working on my hiki these past 3 days s ...

Boi you need more hit [attach]19393[/attach]

author: jimmycricketwin5298 time: 2017-6-15 02:50:22

_noticemesenpai_ replied at 2017-6-14 03:46
Just started giving him some wisdom stones as well as counter. Left block out for the moment.

Cur ...

Yea you definitely want him to have capped out 99% immunity rate. A 2-2-2 will get you there quicker if you have the Asauchi, otherwise a 4-2 will be fine. Also, you are at the level 90 ish range. Most partners are glass cannons until you reach a certain level. My D.Ichi used to be squishy as fuq even when I could 1 shot the enemy team. Really you just need levels and to slowly improve his stones, evo, bonds, gear, and hollow souls

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