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author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-5 10:00:09 Title: Kyoka Suigetsu (Zan)

Edited by MylarHyrule at 2017-7-9 07:52

Curious who all is looking to pick her up asap and how long do you expect it to take you?

I am for sure going for her, and i'm guessing 3 to 4 months till I have enough inferno stones... maybe less

~~EDIT~~
I've gone back and forth a lot on this one, but I was just looking at Muken's stats, mods, skill, evo, ect... I'd be a fool not to pick that up and stack him hard... KS will have to wait...hell, I may let TSI expire a while and pick up Shin Isshin to get even more out of Muken

author: trojandrew time: 2017-7-5 10:13:00

im going to get her, doubt i'll use her unless something changes. im guessing its gonna take me about 50% longer than it took me to get muken.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-5 10:16:25

trojandrew replied at 2017-7-5 10:13
im going to get her, doubt i'll use her unless something changes. im guessing its gonna take me abou ...

muken is gonna be my second target there unless someone better comes along, lol

author: firemaster33 time: 2017-7-5 10:18:33

kyoka suigetsu must be relese in ubp event then in inferno so i can take her too

author: Cronosel time: 2017-7-5 10:46:58

I'm going to kyoka suigetsu too, and with the 30k gold I would spend with ryujin jakka to pick up a new partner

author: ziutis86 time: 2017-7-5 11:51:55

firemaster33 replied at 2017-7-5 17:18
kyoka suigetsu must be relese in ubp event then in inferno so i can take her too

You expect Kyoka Suigetsu to be released in UBP before inferno shop?

I bet you won't see her there at least years after release in inferno shop. Did you see RJ? Minazki? Bazz-B? And other new partners? You didn't. It will be same for sure.

author: firemaster33 time: 2017-7-5 11:59:44

damn i never get any good zanpakto and in csb i can pass the 1 line ,i am vip 0 but i save up for ubp

author: ohmyvenus time: 2017-7-5 12:09:48

can someone block this kid from forum everyday only word ubp.. go find a work or go mining bitcoin or search free paypal amount.. useless junk

author: Ururu_chan time: 2017-7-5 12:42:36

ohmyvenus replied at 2017-7-5 12:09
can someone block this kid from forum everyday only word ubp.. go find a work or go mining bitcoin o ...

even if it's boring, you can't ban people for this

author: djamaec time: 2017-7-5 13:13:58

WAIT ! THIS ZAN WILL BE IN INFERNO SHOP ?

author: ziutis86 time: 2017-7-5 13:17:10

djamaec replied at 2017-7-5 20:13
WAIT ! THIS ZAN WILL BE IN INFERNO SHOP ?

yes
http://forums.gogames.me/thread-79240-1-1.html

author: trojandrew time: 2017-7-5 13:38:57

ohmyvenus replied at 2017-7-5 12:09
can someone block this kid from forum everyday only word ubp.. go find a work or go mining bitcoin o ...

lmao you really are gullible arent you... this is why you never get anything good from ubp

author: SLNPWNZ time: 2017-7-5 14:33:01

Got 8k inferno stones, I think to take muken cuz he immune to mutilate, Kyoka debuff cancel mechanic seems weird to me cuz if u will skill first against RJ (and with that supports speed boost its probably will be often) then you anyway will get fkn mutilate and burn debuffs. Atlest muken will give me chance to win atleast small spenders with RJ, cuz topdogs like Takeda or Chico will rekt me anyway.

author: Zuberic time: 2017-7-5 16:54:24

I'm saving up for her, 9920 inferno stones to go. I'll have 12k inferno stones in 135 days, if I don't forget to do csb that is

author: Devvoke2 time: 2017-7-5 19:11:57

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author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-5 19:43:30

djamaec replied at 2017-7-5 13:13
WAIT ! THIS ZAN WILL BE IN INFERNO SHOP ?

yup... 12,000 stones

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-5 19:45:14

I love how everybody is an expert and she hasn't even dropped yet... haven't you people learned yet? translations change all the time, and sometimes they are just plain wrong... just sayin'

author: Asian123 time: 2017-7-5 20:19:48

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-6 05:45
I love how everybody is an expert and she hasn't even dropped yet... haven't you people learned ye ...

It seems like you don't get one shot by people around you, therefore you go for Kyoka, I assume.
If you do get badly hurt by Jakka users or Katen users or the like, that wouldn't change just with the addition of Kyoka as they'd still be able to do the damage as long as they have the raw power.

author: Xallog time: 2017-7-5 20:40:52

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author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-5 21:02:10

Asian123 replied at 2017-7-5 20:19
It seems like you don't get one shot by people around you, therefore you go for Kyoka, I assume.
I ...

yeah, KS looks like she has 2 routs of action...

go first, hit hard

go second, tough RJ users

either way it's a great zan, or it looks like one anyway

author: [email protected] time: 2017-7-5 21:56:26

The fuck??? you don't want muken first??? o.O

author: DeEmEn time: 2017-7-5 22:41:53

I would sit on my chair and laugh like Muken Aizen if they nerf the zanpakuto, lol!

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-5 23:11:28

[email protected] replied at 2017-7-5 21:56
The fuck??? you don't want muken first??? o.O

Hyorinmaru bro... Hyorinmaru

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-5 23:13:34

Asian123 replied at 2017-7-5 20:19
It seems like you don't get one shot by people around you, therefore you go for Kyoka, I assume.
I ...

My supports are Shinso and retsu k... Everyone that stands a chance vs me runs zero division or better, know what I mean? Lol

author: Xallog time: 2017-7-5 23:14:53

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author: Potdenutella time: 2017-7-6 01:04:24

Edited by Potdenutella at 2017-7-6 01:07

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-5 19:45
I love how everybody is an expert and she hasn't even dropped yet... haven't you people learned ye ...

Some peoples expect her to chaos more than 1 enemy, some expect the dispel to lasts 1 round... So yeah, better wait the feebacks from someone who tried her.

Aside the problem of who will go first, i actually find the +50% speed on support and the stats for vanguard quite nice, didn't pay attention for the assaulters...

Competition aside also, i find this zanpakuto funny and tactical with the chaos and dispel, i'm definitely going to pick her for almost the same reason as i bought CSB Kyoka.

Should i change CSB Kyoka's mods by stun or crit hmm... Kyoka hardly crits with 98% (only 8% from evo).

author: grimmjowpantera time: 2017-7-6 02:15:15

-sighs- oh the dreams lol. i cant do anything in my CBS. not cause im weak but when i sign up for it every day it doesnt let me in for some freaking reason. at the moment all i have is 550 stones. o3o

author: Asian123 time: 2017-7-6 08:45:43

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-6 07:02
yeah, KS looks like she has 2 routs of action...

go first, hit hard

It is best used when with Muken.

author: Asian123 time: 2017-7-6 08:52:14

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-6 09:13
My supports are Shinso and retsu k... Everyone that stands a chance vs me runs zero division or b ...

So you want the speed eh...
Kyoka nullifying rj's defence(as well as the burn and mutilate +chaos on Muken) would be very useful for a stacked Muken.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-6 09:08:22

Asian123 replied at 2017-7-6 08:52
So you want the speed eh...
Kyoka nullifying rj's defence(as well as the burn and mutilate +chaos ...

it's not your slowest, it's how slow is your fastest... my Retsu is stacked and goes first, which slows me down a lot to be honest

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-6 09:19:37

Potdenutella replied at 2017-7-6 01:04
Some peoples expect her to chaos more than 1 enemy, some expect the dispel to lasts 1 round... So y ...

When I pick mine up I'm going to stack his break defense, like I am considering doing for my Shinso (he's currently skewed to stunning mods/enchantment which acually works out nicely. Considering what strength ac he will end up with (currently 140 riot)

author: Asian123 time: 2017-7-6 11:08:05

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-6 19:08
it's not your slowest, it's how slow is your fastest... my Retsu is stacked and goes first, whic ...

Wouldn't Shinso be faster and better to be 'stacked'?
Doesn't look like you can change anything now.
How does your TSI look(with reiatsu and details)?
Why 'stack' retsu?
To be honest, the vanguard meta is now almost gone. In my opinion, you should have kept Noza but with Tensa.
A 'stacked' Muken Aizen can obliterate any and all supports, assaulters and vanguards considering that the assaulter isn't Muken (and is not better than your Muken or with RJ).
Your 'stacked' Muken would have to have more atk than the opponent's partner defences(own defence+RJ defence).

author: [email protected] time: 2017-7-6 11:43:44

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-6 09:11
Hyorinmaru bro... Hyorinmaru

oh wait....! silly me!! but still, with hyorin too, he'd be bad ass!! don't you think that?? coz muken is to fuckin everything <3

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-6 12:01:58

[email protected] replied at 2017-7-6 11:43
oh wait....! silly me!! but still, with hyorin too, he'd be bad ass!! don't you think that?? coz m ...

Hyorin only gives defense and HP, and shows no love to middle row... I'd have to redo my whole team to fit him... I"m good with my TSI, he's just starting to wake up and shine

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-6 12:02:56

Asian123 replied at 2017-7-6 11:08
Wouldn't Shinso be faster and better to be 'stacked'?
Doesn't look like you can change anything no ...

as for my support line, my Gin has more work done to him, but I keep best stuff on Retsu for pve, as for pvp, TSI is really my only partner that matters usually, so the rest of my team is pve and void

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-6 12:03:58

Asian123 replied at 2017-7-6 11:08
Wouldn't Shinso be faster and better to be 'stacked'?
Doesn't look like you can change anything no ...

and the most recent pic of my TSI is on page 4 or 5 of "Noza vs TSI" he's really starting to shine IMO

author: [email protected] time: 2017-7-6 12:22:44

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-6 22:01
Hyorin only gives defense and HP, and shows no love to middle row... I'd have to redo my whole te ...

still needs a lot of work to be frank. You online at the momemnt??

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-6 12:42:30

[email protected] replied at 2017-7-6 12:22
still needs a lot of work to be frank. You online at the momemnt??

Yeah, I'm at work, so I'm in and out but yeah... Also, I'm only using Shinso for pve really... Considering dropping his stun game d
For damage rate, any thoughts?

author: Asian123 time: 2017-7-6 16:40:19

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-6 22:03
and the most recent pic of my TSI is on page 4 or 5 of "Noza vs TSI" he's really starting to shi ...

You see him 'really dying' against a Muken, don't you?

Well, that's because all vanguards die to Muken.
You just have to make your Muken better than them(which you can) is all.

author: [email protected] time: 2017-7-7 01:37:12

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-6 22:42
Yeah, I'm at work, so I'm in and out but yeah... Also, I'm only using Shinso for pve really... Co ...

That is a lot better option pve wise, and the game is all about pve so its better to go with dmg rate <3

author: [email protected] time: 2017-7-7 02:52:40

Cronosel replied at 2017-7-5 20:46
I'm going to kyoka suigetsu too, and with the 30k gold I would spend with ryujin jakka to pick up a ...

You don't want muken first??? o.O

author: Cronosel time: 2017-7-7 13:27:20

[email protected] replied at 2017-7-7 04:52
You don't want muken first??? o.O

I think Kyoka is better haha

author: mayuri1177 time: 2017-7-7 13:52:20

Here is a hit from Muken with no zanpakuto, 1 strength stone, no strength hogu, no strength accessories. His atk was reduced to 710k from 1.6m.

[attach]19568[/attach]

author: Cronosel time: 2017-7-7 18:17:50

mayuri1177 replied at 2017-7-7 15:52
Here is a hit from Muken with no zanpakuto, 1 strength stone, no strength hogu, no strength accessor ...

hmm, it's amazing, maybe i change my concepts and go for muken first

author: mayuri1177 time: 2017-7-7 18:56:27

Cronosel replied at 2017-7-7 18:17
hmm, it's amazing, maybe i change my concepts and go for muken first

Not all hits will be this high. This was in the 16th round when his last mod is in full effect with buffs from Isane and Noble Isane active. I found I need to weaken Muken this much to not 1 hit kill the ES. With current setup, I still do 23-30% damage per hit compared to 75% or more after they fixed his last mod.

author: Asian123 time: 2017-7-8 15:17:27

Cronosel replied at 2017-7-8 04:17
hmm, it's amazing, maybe i change my concepts and go for muken first

It is indeed.
Muken without the 50% atk bonus as well as the 70% damage rate bonus, is still the best partner for pve(can't say for pvp considering the different varieties of formations).
You would still definitely do immense damage with Muken compared to what you'd do without him.
You just have to get him to that 1m atk and get his bonds up(hp first then speed).

author: [email protected] time: 2017-7-8 15:20:47

Edited by [email protected] at 2017-7-8 15:23

Asian123 replied at 2017-7-8 15:17
It is indeed.
Muken without the 50% atk bonus as well as the 70% damage rate bonus, is still the b ...

so basically a so-so muken paired with a brenji will pretty much demolish in pve ?askin this cuz in mages / fuji frikkin csb, and eve tho i can still get in top 20 very easy, im still botherin with csb only for challenge stones, otherwise i whoulda stopped doin csb a long time ago

author: Asian123 time: 2017-7-8 16:48:34

[email protected] replied at 2017-7-9 01:20
so basically a so-so muken paired with a brenji will pretty much demolish in pve ?askin this cuz in ...

If you run 0-3-2 for Evil Spirit and Ryoka with Muken and Brenji as assaulters(considering that your assaulters survive vs wave 70+ ryoka) you absolutely shrek pve.
Using the challenge stones for the Ultimate Level 120 set?
A Muken that's not even stacked is still better than Brenji. The more atk you give Muken, the more your pve damage doubles, triples or quadruples.
What is your team btw(both pvp and Ryoka+Es)?

author: [email protected] time: 2017-7-8 17:09:16

Asian123 replied at 2017-7-8 16:48
If you run 0-3-2 for Evil Spirit and Ryoka with Muken and Brenji as assaulters(considering that yo ...

brenji/res ulq with sgin/cute or kyoraku dependin how lazy i am to swap cute/kyoraku, tensa and sogyo but keepin tensa on due to lazyness aswell , stark and noza and a demon ichi which no ideea when ima start lvl and mod

)
sadly my server is quite dead, only 3 on for es, 2x quincy 1 shini, i out dmg both and i also recently got the top players acc, and for ryoka mebbe 3 if im not lazy to skip it which i do pretty much daily

author: Asian123 time: 2017-7-9 04:28:51

[email protected] replied at 2017-7-9 03:09
brenji/res ulq with sgin/cute or kyoraku dependin how lazy i am to swap cute/kyoraku, tensa and so ...

You should attend Evil Spirit and Ryoka daily.
You may not realise their importance(especially Ryoka's) but I do. I am lacking in stones just because I didn't do much of ryoka for a year or so. I regret that.
Brenji with Muken is definitely overkill but I'd use that for Es along with Cute Orihime.
Also, I believe Tensa gives damage rate while cute does too so cute overwrites tensa therefore I suggest using a zanpakuto that does not give damage rate and maybe atk buff(idk about sogyo).
Starrk, Noza and Demon Ichigo. I'd like more details on those three.

author: Double3 time: 2017-7-9 06:23:20

[email protected] replied at 2017-7-8 17:09
brenji/res ulq with sgin/cute or kyoraku dependin how lazy i am to swap cute/kyoraku, tensa and so ...

muken is bad for es

why?beacause with him u'll pretty much 1shot the es,thus going way past over silver/exp cap and wasting it.
ryoka is another story tho,but if u said that u'r server got about 3 players on ryoka i doubt u can reach past wave 70 where muken actually starts to show himself.

the only real place for muken imho is void,even if u cant survive 1 round or more,
the dmg wont let u down with that 220% aoe and crazy base attack.
so,unless you want some dmg for void muken is pretty much useless in pve :^)

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-9 07:57:28

changed my current stance

author: Double3 time: 2017-7-9 08:20:25

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-9 07:57
changed my current stance

so shall i understand your comment like you dissagre with my ideas?
proofs?

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-9 08:22:45

Double3 replied at 2017-7-9 08:20
so shall i understand your comment like you dissagre with my ideas?
proofs?

no proof to offer, just looking at Muken with what I currently have on my TSI, I think I could do very nice things with him
I have a lot of room for growth in every area

author: Double3 time: 2017-7-9 08:26:44

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-9 08:22
no proof to offer, just looking at Muken with what I currently have on my TSI, I think I could do v ...

then i suggest u to rethink

if u running a tanky and slow formation then there's no better zank than ks lol.
it works against everything,the ultimate tank meta zank
removing all debbufs from your team,like mutilate/burn/void/chaos lmao what could u ask for more? xD

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-9 08:27:25

Double3 replied at 2017-7-9 08:26
then i suggest u to rethink
if u running a tanky and slow formation then there's no better zank ...

yeah, that was where I was thinking earlier for sure

author: Double3 time: 2017-7-9 08:29:41

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-9 08:27
yeah, that was where I was thinking earlier for sure

when i'll put my hands on ks i'll show u exactly what i mean,
then only counter would be an slower and more stacked vg team

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-9 08:31:11

Double3 replied at 2017-7-9 08:29
when i'll put my hands on ks i'll show u exactly what i mean,
then only counter would be an slower ...

slow b rukia

author: Double3 time: 2017-7-9 08:33:58

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-9 08:31
slow b rukia

then into action comes my ultima,and poof... deleted xD

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