Jakka or Jugram?

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Now that Jugram is finnaly down to 30k im leaning towards him, but would like to know from somebody who does use him - is he a good counter to Jakka or is it still better to counter RJ with another RJ?  Im using Tensa and my supporters are Senju + Kirijii/Unohana. Ps: my main purpose is to counter RJ users somehow.

MylarHyrule

mutilate is your friend

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MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-27 11:12
mutilate is your friend

Well, Jugram clear debuffs if i understod it right, i think mutilate is also a debuff. Also i dont care so much for 14% mutilate, it is burn DOT that freaks me out.

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[email protected] replied at 2017-7-27 11:28
Well, Jugram clear debuffs if i understod it right, i think mutilate is also a debuff. Also i dont ...

the reason I say mutilate is your friend is because mutilate isn't based off of damage, it's based off max HP, and with RJ's 150% def buff, base damage won't be stellar usually

and I think I've heard peeps say that Jugram does not clear mutilate, yet I believe he does clear burn

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MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-27 11:30
the reason I say mutilate is your friend is because mutilate isn't based off of damage, it's based ...

So in other words RJ still outshines everything?  I probably hate RJ more than anyone else, i'd agree on anything that can counter it, just to not use it.

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[email protected] replied at 2017-7-27 11:35
So in other words RJ still outshines everything?  I probably hate RJ more than anyone else, i'd a ...

KS is supposed to be a good counter to him...   but personally I find hard core healing with huge defense and good physical attack to be usefull...  honestly I'm planning to tank out my TSI to the max and try to take top 5 in my server group...  but I think I'm already far above the next Hyorinmaru user in my server group...  Now to take out RJs and the very few Katens that are above me
(I'm ranked 11th ATM and the next few places above me I think I know how to take them out)

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MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-27 11:39
KS is supposed to be a good counter to him...   but personally I find hard core healing with huge d ...

What is KS? Im less lucky with my group, top 10 are mostly all RJ users that i stand no chance against and there is 3-4 RJ guys below me that will eventually beat me soon. ps: i dont rush CSB so i dunno where im in my group at the moment..

MylarHyrule

[email protected] replied at 2017-7-27 12:13
What is KS? Im less lucky with my group, top 10 are mostly all RJ users that i stand no chance agai ...

KS  k suigetsu from inferno stones...   but really, if you are going to beat an RJ user you will need insane defense and good HP regen for realz, otherwise you are pissing into the wind usually

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MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-27 12:36
KS  k suigetsu from inferno stones...   but really, if you are going to beat an RJ user you will n ...

Im not sure, do i have to be slower with Kyoka to remove DOT? - in that case it is stupid since Kyoka is naturally much faster. Ps: i dont think DEF matters much against RJ, burn DOT bypasses defence so it is mainly about HP.

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[email protected] replied at 2017-7-27 13:21
Im not sure, do i have to be slower with Kyoka to remove DOT? - in that case it is stupid since Kyo ...

burn does not bypass defense, but mutilate does...   mutilate is based on max HP, burn off or original damage