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author: ramsay09111    time: 2017-7-27 13:31:45     Title: Nel or Hitsugaya please help

Edited by ramsay09111 at 2017-7-27 14:00

I've read lots of information about SWP partners but i still dont know who is better...  Nel or hitsugaya?

Take in your mind that im Vip 0 and probably will always be... there is no chance to me to update any of them

Hitsugaya - 180 coupons
                 500 golden reishi

Nel - 300 coupons
        1000 golden reishi

Most comments I saw said that nel would be better but in a matter of cost Im not sure... she cost double golden reishi than hitsugaya

For 1000 Reishi im able to get Youruichi or Kisuke Urahara

Also degreasing 50% hit rate isnt that helpfull cause i dont have much of dodge status (24% at my vanguard) and 10 fury to vanguard and assauters dont help much...

However hitsugaya disarm for 2 rounds ( I googled it ... aparently enemies can't give you a normal atack only skills )

Im more focus in pvp formation than pvm because my server has a good piece of players that have top up so most of the time i cant even get to the ryoka cause they are dead already
at least until like 5 waves after (my server highest level played is lvl 90 so we arent that ahead) and I know there are some events and stuff which are better made with a pvp formation... Of course Im planning to buy urahara and i already have shin grimjow

At this moment im lvl 65 and have 980 golden reishi, at lvl 70 i will buy komamura then it will be a bit hard to me to get 1000 reishi again since almost never do tavern... I found it a bit of a waste of silver I rather spend it on reiatsu.

By the way good ways to win reishi are always welcome (most reishi i win is from events and i know i will get 400 at lvl 70) and i saw a topic that actually helped me to win a bit more in tavern so i could get Momo, sado and inoue before lvl 55

Also Some of you can think that we got better partners at tavern... True but as I say it is hard to me to get reishi... i got bored super easly... i rather spend weeks doing hueco mundo atack than 2 hours in tavern... Besides in those weeks i spend like 2 minutes doing hueco mundo... i almost all time defeat 10 guys before loosing i think that is enought to 180 coupons per day
Please explain your openion with details

Please avoid negative comments Im here to learn x)

Thanks for the Help


author: Rokianas    time: 2017-7-27 14:02:12

Okay...
Quite a long post you have here... got tired of reading it so skipped like half of it i think.

But your main question was: Nel or Hitsugaya?

What's your vanguard now? Nel is good for giving dodge and reducing enemies hit, so it's best to pick her if you play with a vg who can dodge (have dodge mods), also she gives some extra fury for your assoulters and vg fury (only by 10, so before upgrade that part isn't too important, but still makes it easier to get full T1 on your team!).

Hitsugaya is not that good actually :/ He attacks only assoulters while Nel hits supports and assoulters, does not give any fury to your team, but he does disarm enemies assoulters for 2 rounds (or something like that). Yet his skill isn't as good as you may think it is from the first sight. If Hitsugaya cast his skill on enemies (assoulters) while they have skill ready (then they have 100fury) they still can attack by using their skills and the dmg is not reduced or anything (like 90% sure of that(about the dmg part, about the using skill part i'm SURE)). And then he regains 10fury that is totaly useless since he will still need 2 attacks to stack up his fury again.

To sum it up: Nel is better in all the ways, get her.

Bonus tip: If you get Nel, then get vg who dodges and it will make it insanely hard for your enemies to stack their fury (since at the early game (as i see from your lvl) the main source of fury is basic attacks on vanguards and if vg dodges you get no fury).

That's it from my side, thank my friend for asking me to help you since i don't have any time to be on forums these days.
author: ramsay09111    time: 2017-7-27 15:07:16

Edited by ramsay09111 at 2017-7-27 15:08

My vanguard in this precise moment is Sado, but once nel required lvl 75 by then i would have Komamura already (not to mention the 300 nel coupons), I pretty much put all my vanguard stones in vanguard x) (like block, counter dodge and some strenght for phisical defense)

Right now my items dont have much of dodge bonus because i didnt find  it a must have on sado.

And can you give me your openion about the cost?

Thanks for your post x)
author: ziutis86    time: 2017-7-27 16:02:29

Right now I'm using Daiguren Toshiro (upgraded SWP toshiro) and it's not as good as I expected. He doesn't deal so much damage (skill is only 140% damage).

For PVP he is sh*tty too. Right now almost all players has fury providers (like Urahara, shinso, SWP nel...) and that disarm is pretty useless.

That's why i'm collecting nel coupons. She increase assaulters and vanguard fury so all my team will have t1 as well as tavern kyoraku. you can use yachiru as your vanguard. She is dodge monster (Rokianas used her until H Ichigo). Make her gold quality with red reishi (you can get from witch's house event) and with nel skill you will dodge almost everything.

Price. Actually shin Toshiro costs 160 coupons (not 180 as you mentioned). I don't know how much did you saved HMA points so 300 could be quite a lot. BUT it's better to save 300 right now. Because if you take toshiro you will see that it's useless and you spent 160 coupons for nothing.
gold reishi. 1000 gold reishi for f2p players is a lot. I agree with that. But SWP is your best friend for that. I was really stupid and took first 3 SWP partners. During that I noticed that when you buy or upgrade SWP you get double gold reishi that you spent. So if you buy nel first and spend 1k gold reishi for that you will get that moment 2k gold reishi for that.

I didn't ask anyone opinion about SWP partners and that was my mistake. I would suggest you not to make my mistake and buy nel.
author: jimmycricketwin5298    time: 2017-7-27 17:32:56

If you are VIP 0 I don't think you can get any of the 2nd form of the SWP partners. The first form of both are terrible and a Red tavern partner will be much better cost-wise and power/utility-wise. Nel is only for teams focused on dodging and F2P have a terrible time making a dodge team. Either way, Block>Dodge. Daiguren doesn't do much damage, and his CC isn't too great, as 10 fury ain't too much.

You should get Kisuke and make him Red named, preferably by using that 100 reishi chest in Witch House, as that will help you red name about 2 partners. Red named Kisuke is better than using both Toshi and Nel as he gives fury so that helps both PvE and PvP.
author: ramsay09111    time: 2017-7-27 17:47:37

Edited by ramsay09111 at 2017-7-27 17:48

So you mean that i should get Yachiru and not komamura? should i stop using sado and start using yachiru and save my 1000 coupons to get shin nel? I actually have 1120 hueco mundo coins ( i recently got Shin Grimmjow )

You said:

"During that I noticed that when you buy or upgrade SWP you get double gold reishi that you spent. So if you buy nel first and spend 1k gold reishi for that you will get that moment 2k gold reishi for that."

I'm not sure if I followed it correctly but u mean that if I spend 1000 golden reishi In SWP i will receive 2000 golden reishi for free in return?

Because now that i realise i dont think that i lost Reishi when i got grimjow... never noticed it xD also never saw it on any guide ._.

Also about the hueco coins as I said before i have 1120 coins so I need 9680 more to get nel... well there is a cool event so we can hire partners for candy going right now... im saving till the last day so i can buy 2 partners in a row for a week (i think that is the time) so probably i will reach the end of the hueco mundo a couple times still I doubt that i will get her before level 80 so Im fine with time

Thanks alot for your comments Im really thankfull it helps alot
author: ramsay09111    time: 2017-7-28 05:24:49

jimmycricketwin5298 replied at 2017-7-27 17:32
If you are VIP 0 I don't think you can get any of the 2nd form of the SWP partners. The first form o ...

jimmy first of all thanks a lot for your post


Also I understand your point but I just can't do a PvE formation at this moment.. As I said im Vip 0 so in events i have to restart the game so the fights are faster and only have to wait like 70 seconds(restarting + 60 secs before entering batle) instead of watching the whole fight that should be like 90 seconds, but my computer is broken so i send it to fixing now Im at my old one and it sucks instead of waiting around70 seconds i have to wait much much more.. also I have a PvP formation at this moment and i deal more damage than some guys with PvE just because I remove inoue and equip grimjow

Yesterday I was looking random posts and saw your guide from 70 to 110 and i found it well-explained.. Im totally gonna create an account when my computer comes and do that

Also tavern is boring and hueco mundo isnt and the partners are much more interesting

I will never be in this game to be a top player because i know that is impossible but what I also know is that this game is kinda funny if played correctly i love to test formations

Thanks for you post jimmy x)
author: asakura_yo    time: 2017-7-28 05:41:27

Edited by asakura_yo at 2017-10-23 19:12

i'm vip0 either and play with nel:


But i wouldn't reccomend others to do the same way. Tavern partners are much better becouse:
1. They can use 12th quality hogu (after turning to red)
2. They have bonds (nel and hitsugaya don't have any without upgrade, which is impossible for vip0)
3. Modifying of tavern partners cost a lot less fragments

If you are still certain to do it, i would recommend hitsugaya. At least his exclusive seems to be kind of useful (but lvl 50 is needed to reach one unlike taverns')
author: ramsay09111    time: 2017-7-28 06:31:24

asakura_yo replied at 2017-7-28 05:41
i'm vip0 either and play with nel:

My problem with tavern is just the reishi... it is impossible to my brain to spend 2 hours doing janken to get a character... Mostly I win reishi with events but some times it take some time for them to come...

How did you get all those tavern partners? only doing tavern? have you some trick to win more times in tavern?

Thanks for posting
author: asakura_yo    time: 2017-7-28 07:53:29

Edited by asakura_yo at 2017-10-23 19:12
ramsay09111 replied at 2017-7-28 06:31
My problem with tavern is just the reishi... it is impossible to my brain to spend 2 hours doing j ...

xdotool is a trick. Though it doesn't help win more times and doesn't reduce hours needed to get enough reishi.... Just set you free to do smth else while janken is played (xdotool-script-your-mouse)

author: ramsay09111    time: 2017-7-28 11:16:37

linux only?
author: Rokianas    time: 2017-7-28 15:26:34

Yep, actually with tavern partners going red and with easy way to get red reishi from events i'd rather recommend you getting red kisuke for fury to your formation, or Kyoraku and get his exclusive, get him T1, get him red and so on. If you can't upgrade any SWP partners, they aren't really worth it since red tavern partners got better stats, growth rates and so on.
author: ramsay09111    time: 2017-7-28 17:06:45

asakura_yo replied at 2017-7-28 07:53
xdotool is a trick. Though it doesn't help win more times and doesn't reduce hours needed to get en ...

linux only?
author: asakura_yo    time: 2017-7-28 20:44:17

Edited by asakura_yo at 2017-10-23 19:12
ramsay09111 replied at 2017-7-28 17:06
linux only?

You can find some tools on windows as well. i used "GS auto clicker" couple of years ago, worked pretty fine... But it's better to ask windowsusers for advice
author: ramsay09111    time: 2017-7-29 04:55:09

Rokianas replied at 2017-7-28 15:26
Yep, actually with tavern partners going red and with easy way to get red reishi from events i'd rat ...

I can only Upgrade golden partners right? Also what partners should i buy? i was thinking 2-2-1 formation (or 3-1-1) with kisuke - youruichi - byakuya or ikkaku - main and komamura ( i cant go for yachiru because I dont have enought bonus for perma dodge)
author: ramsay09111    time: 2017-7-29 04:56:32

Also how much red reishi do i need to transform? I got 1 box from witch house so I have some red reishi but I dont know if it is enough
author: Croocoodile    time: 2017-7-29 05:19:39

ramsay09111 replied at 2017-7-29 04:56
Also how much red reishi do i need to transform? I got 1 box from witch house so I have some red rei ...

700 red reishi for one partner. Purple tavern partners are also upgradable (to golden but no further)
author: asakura_yo    time: 2017-7-29 06:14:11

Edited by asakura_yo at 2017-10-23 19:12
ramsay09111 replied at 2017-7-29 04:56
Also how much red reishi do i need to transform? I got 1 box from witch house so I have some red rei ...

In witch's house there's point shop where you can get 100 boxes per 2 points. That means 800-1100 red reishi (at average). So you can get enough red reishi for upgrading 2-3 partners during this event
author: Rokianas    time: 2017-7-29 06:58:14

Croocoodile replied at 2017-7-29 12:19
700 red reishi for one partner. Purple tavern partners are also upgradable (to golden but no furth ...

But purples are not worth upgrading since they don't have and won't get exclusive skill.
author: Rokianas    time: 2017-7-29 07:00:50

ramsay09111 replied at 2017-7-29 11:55
I can only Upgrade golden partners right? Also what partners should i buy? i was thinking 2-2-1 fo ...

You can upgrade any partner to the next colour (yellow -> red; blue -> purple and so on).
Going for 2-2-1 formation is best in my opinion since you can't build against that. Yet i'd actually suggest you to stack one partner, this is the very best way to be strong until like 140lvl or so.
author: ramsay09111    time: 2017-7-29 07:17:47

what is exaclty stack one partner? and also how do i change collors? i have 1000 red reishi
author: ramsay09111    time: 2017-7-29 07:20:22

I just cant find the place to upgrade the partners ._. am I blind?

author: asakura_yo    time: 2017-7-29 07:31:39

Edited by asakura_yo at 2017-10-23 19:12
ramsay09111 replied at 2017-7-29 07:20
I just cant find the place to upgrade the partners ._. am I blind?

Button "advance" the same place where was button "recruit" in tavern. It'll appear after you get 80 lvl.

Stacking partner means putting almost all gear you have(stones, exclusive fragments, best hogu and so on) to one partner
author: ramsay09111    time: 2017-7-29 07:52:16

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah im lvl 65 that explains alot ._.

and also ahhhhh so that what stack is x)

thanks



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