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author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-8-17 18:21:39 Title: maybe a dumb question...

I've been thinking of making a large purchase in a few months and am trying to plan ahead...

~~this is assuming that nothing game changing happens between now and then~~

I am assuming most of you know what my team looks like more or less, I can add pics but really, I've already littered the forums with it enogh IMO, lol

I was of course thinking that Ryujin Jakka would be a great replacement for my Hyorinmaru, and before today I was basicly sold on him without any question..

~However~

Today I thought that I'm gonna get KS sooner or later, so it would be kind of silly to drop a grand for something I'd get something similar to with time... So I thought... I run a hard stacked vanguard, and once I get Muken set up, my pve should be good... So what would help my pvp? Then it came to me... Gerald Valkyre... a vanguard on a level that I will never get unless I top up...

author: Gen45x time: 2017-8-17 18:30:55

so by off chance if it comes in ubp 3-4 years later then? xD

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-8-17 18:47:04

Gen45x replied at 2017-8-17 18:30
so by off chance if it comes in ubp 3-4 years later then? xD

I"m thinking more like 6 months, and IMO, $1000 vs 6 months grind... I'd rather grind that one any day of the week... but other thoughts... Minizuki could be nice... I already run TSI, so that extra healing couldn't hurt, right? plus she gets rid of that pesky +150% def on RJ teams that are faster than I am, and as my supports are Shinso Gin and Retsu K, I'm not that hard to outspeed, lol

author: Gen45x time: 2017-8-17 20:30:54

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-8-17 18:47
I"m thinking more like 6 months, and IMO, $1000 vs 6 months grind... I'd rather grind that one a ...

doubt ether of em would come that soon to ubp lol and more healing dont hurt unless they have a way to stop ur tsi heal

author: trakiner time: 2017-8-17 20:34:30

*(slap you hard on your face)* you don't fucking need any upgrade on PVP, you are in yourself the whole meaning of PVP as a live character! You are number 1, the winner, the champion, the server king! As long as you keep playing none of us will be able to defeat you! Also, you are such an expert on this game none of us can give you any advice in anything because you do know everything about this game far better than any of us. Enjoy your victory, you are a winner, brother!

author: Devvoke2 time: 2017-8-17 20:39:24

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author: trojandrew time: 2017-8-17 20:55:43

why not just wait for a top up event where you get one and you can spend the gold on the other?

author: [email protected] time: 2017-8-17 22:38:45

Outgoing from your posts you should revert back to Noza and stfu - he is the best! Other than that RJ is in another league compared to other zans. GayThor seem also to be OP but im not a VG player and his design suck - so fk him.

author: [email protected] time: 2017-8-17 22:44:42

[email protected] replied at 2017-8-18 11:38
Outgoing from your posts you should revert back to Noza and stfu - he is the best! Other than that R ...

Hey man, he just want to get something better. :/

author: [email protected] time: 2017-8-17 22:47:53

Why not kukaku (if available)?

author: Xallog time: 2017-8-17 23:23:16

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author: jimmycricketwin5298 time: 2017-8-18 01:01:23

Xallog replied at 2017-8-17 22:23
If you plan on buying KS, getting Jakka is pointless, especially when your other choice of what to b ...

To be honest, the grind for 6 months to get KS isn't that bad. I kinda regret spending 6 months to stack my D.Ichi after I got him when I was gonna get Muken anyways. I should have just balanced out my team or try to grab another partner.

The same in your case would be buying Jakka and building that up, then getting KS for free in 6 months. It is a waste of gold for something that will be replaced, when Gerard is certainly a VG to keep for a while. Once you get Muken, or if you have Muken, buffing his defense enough to last in void is pretty nice as having Muken survive another couple rounds would probably do more damage than the burn and mutilate Jakka gives.

Also, getting KS is only going to make your Muken even more OP with the Foritfy Bonus. I think it gives like 100 crit dmg bonus or like increase atk every turn or something OP like that.

As for the PvP aspect, if you aren't going to top up anymore, I would say KS + Muken + Gerard is going to be your best team as your Muken is going to be able to last the 5 rounds to activate his last mod due to Gerard's buffs, whereas your TSI is going to die pretty easily late game to other high Vips and you will be using a Jakka + Muken combo. Most high end partners are immune to mutilate anyhow, or they will have someone to clear debuffs like KS.

I'm speaking out of my ass tho, so these are just my opinion to help you form yours

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-8-18 08:04:24

Devvoke2 replied at 2017-8-17 20:39
10- 12 months

for teh godlike shit to drop in UBP

the more I think of it, the more I'm thinking of a Valkyre on my team, lol

author: [email protected] time: 2017-8-18 08:20:58

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-8-18 08:04
the more I think of it, the more I'm thinking of a Valkyre on my team, lol

get valky, least when u die valky will fly ur ass in valhalla

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-8-18 08:50:24

[email protected] replied at 2017-8-18 08:20
get valky, least when u die valky will fly ur ass in valhalla

Win or lose, at least my vang will look shitty in The process!! Plus, nobody can really say I'm copying their asses!! Besides, everyone with half a brain should see that Valkyrie is the perfect counter to RJ much less if I can pick up Minizuki at the same time, lol

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-8-18 08:57:27

[email protected] replied at 2017-8-17 22:47
Why not kukaku (if available)?

She simply does not have the damage output to justify pulling TSI for her... She is much more defensive but I can't swap many/any of her mods without taking away a huge chunk of her swag. I need more damage output, and Valkyrie should be able to get his block about where my TSI is at, plus Gerard is of course just an animal when compared to TSI. Plus he is immune to mutulate which should nip many Jakka teams in the ass as jakkas burn doesn't hurt when Jakka hits for a few hundred total, plus Gerard gives defense rebuff, which should cancel Jakkas def boost, leaving me to deal with a mild burn from all but the strongest

author: [email protected] time: 2017-8-18 09:54:50

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-8-18 21:57
She simply does not have the damage output to justify pulling TSI for her... She is much more def ...

Guess you should get gerard, haha.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-8-18 09:56:12

[email protected] replied at 2017-8-18 09:54
Guess you should get gerard, haha.

right? ugh, just not wanting to drop that kind of $$$ I'm just on the edge in my CSB to start getting real rewards, lol

author: [email protected] time: 2017-8-18 09:58:08

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-8-18 22:56
right? ugh, just not wanting to drop that kind of $$$ I'm just on the edge in my CSB to start g ...

yeah, gerard is too expensive.

author: X-Zero13 time: 2017-8-18 10:19:42

No answer to your initial question, but where I'm from, we have a saying:

"There is no such thing as a dumb/stupid question, there are only stupid answers." ;)

author: Zuberic time: 2017-8-18 10:53:57

Edited by Zuberic at 2017-8-18 16:59

Last time I checked, my Jakka's burn did 1.2m damage.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-8-18 11:22:08

Zuberic replied at 2017-8-18 10:53
Last time I checked, my Jakka's burn did 1.2m damage.

if your burn is dealing 1.2M damage then you grossly overpower your foe and the burn is most definitively NOT winning the fight for you... the fact is that with my hard stacked vang, most zans do little to no damage to me, and with shit base damage, burn damage is garbage... I'm sure the top top dogs will still crush me, even after a $1000 top up for Valkyre I will be a long way from VIP10, I don't expect to hang with Fuji or Bernk, even Lelouch will prob be too much for me... I just want to break into the top 5 in CSB, and with a well built Valk and Muken I think I will be able to do that easily

author: Zuberic time: 2017-8-18 13:07:44

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-8-18 17:22
if your burn is dealing 1.2M damage then you grossly overpower your foe and the burn is most defin ...

The burn is based off of total attack. For example if I only have main and vang in formation the burn will do way less damage. Star uses Bankai Yama which is immune to mutilate but the burn fucks him up greatly.

author: sakata26 time: 2017-8-18 13:19:09

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-8-18 11:22
if your burn is dealing 1.2M damage then you grossly overpower your foe and the burn is most defin ...

ayase hiraku is my roadblock atm .. and i have no idea how his shinso is faster than my oetsu.. none of it calculates

but put it this way.. me getting RJ definitely made me climb the food chain faster..

but then again i've got like 33k gold in reserve just waiting to see who comes first valkyrie or bankai kenny lol.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-8-18 13:21:05

sakata26 replied at 2017-8-18 13:19
ayase hiraku is my roadblock atm .. and i have no idea how his shinso is faster than my oetsu.. no ...

His Shinso is fully modded and very well stacked. Us 161, he's my rival in server

author: sakata26 time: 2017-8-18 14:00:03

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-8-18 13:21
His Shinso is fully modded and very well stacked. Us 161, he's my rival in server

yeah i know i was just in there looking at his stats.. and they are lower lol the only one that out speeds me entirely is hikifune .. i'm completely confused on how his shinso goes before my oetsu lol.. saying he's stacked it is untrue lol.. if his hiki is the one that is stacked lol...

plus if it's the shinso final mod that does it then i've taken that into consideration and it still doesn't calculate lol.. my oetsu is at lvl 48 exclusive..
look at his pvp speed.. now add 10% onto that.. now do the same for ayase's shinso.. my speed > than his. yet his shinso still manages to go first.. i'm beyond confused atm..

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-8-19 08:19:54

sakata26 replied at 2017-8-18 14:00
yeah i know i was just in there looking at his stats.. and they are lower lol the only one that ou ...

maybe if you evo him some you can fix that little problem bro

author: sakata26 time: 2017-8-19 09:17:49

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-8-19 08:19
maybe if you evo him some you can fix that little problem bro

yeah maybe.. just dont wanna waste vit.. especially since ubp is getting decent

author: [email protected] time: 2017-8-19 11:27:07

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-8-19 21:19
maybe if you evo him some you can fix that little problem bro

I may have a dumb question:

Can I know which one should I hire to replace tavern kenny for pve when KTF arrives(budget wise)? White ichigo or brenji?

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-8-19 11:29:27

[email protected] replied at 2017-8-19 11:27
I may have a dumb question:

Can I know which one should I hire to replace tavern kenny for pve wh ...

white ichi should be cheaper per week and overall, b renji will raise your ES and Ryoka damage noticeably more while white ichi should have more Void damage and pvp by far

author: Rokianas time: 2017-8-20 02:52:44

Why isn't there an option "Don't spend money on game, buy kebab instead" in the pool?

author: Asian123 time: 2017-8-21 12:00:24

Wouldn't wanna be rude, but I tend to give the hard truth to people so yeah..anyway
You really shouldn't 'waste' your money/gold on Jakka as Kyoka Suigetsu completely nullifies Jakka. Now, I know you could give me some bs on speed and being slow, but you should know that that shit won't work, at all. So don't go for a lost cause.
Valkyrie.. A vanguard really isn't something to get right now.
You should know that since you're going for Muken.
Save your money/gold, and get Hasch. His 50% defence halo is indeed more helpful than a Jakka that could get nullified.
I'd suggest Kukaku as well but that'd be a waste, which I don't think I need to say more on.
Just wait for better stuff, and special end of year events to get something you want(Hasch,etc).

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-8-21 12:59:40

Asian123 replied at 2017-8-21 12:00
Wouldn't wanna be rude, but I tend to give the hard truth to people so yeah..anyway
You really shou ...

few small things... first off, yeah, KS vs Jakka... Jakka is hella nice, but KS is much cheaper, lol and once I pick up Muken first, KS should come quicker than expected... as for Hasch, he IS great, but I dunno, my PVP is almost completely my Vang, I'm sure Muken will change that a fair bit, but I still expect the end of the fight to be TSI vs the world against the peeps i'm worried about... my middle row will be set once I get Muken with red byaukua for void, muken full time, and main full time... my support line is Shinso and Retsu K, so me being faster than most peeps in my CSB higher than me is not very likely, making KS that much more attractive... as for Valkyre... I"m looking for a fantastic partner to carry me a little further... TSI is great for sure, but valk has more raw strength, defense, and HP... add to that the fact that he's better at buffing up my team, and I can get his block rate up around that 150% area without sacrificing much in the form of mods IMO... Hasch would be awesome, I just think Valk will help me much more than just PVP... as for kukaku, she is a monster, however she just doesn't have the raw damage output I"m looking for, plus her mods are all so fantastic I just couldn't stomach changing more than one or two to block...

author: DeEmEn time: 2017-8-21 13:16:02

Edited by DeEmEn at 2017-8-21 11:21

Looks like you already put your mind into what you want to get lol, you are just trying to find someone that can change your mind.
btw,

Supports are meant to crowd control with whatever debuf they can cast.
Assaulters are meant for mass damage.
Vanguards are meant to take the beating to protect hit from supports and assaulters. (ruins it by these attack all partners lol! but their buff is now more important)

So even with VG, it shouldnt bother you too much, because you will build most attack stuff on your Assaulters, especially you will use Muken. You will most likely not gonna have enough stuff to buff the VG's attack.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-8-21 13:43:37

Edited by MylarHyrule at 2017-8-21 13:44

DeEmEn replied at 2017-8-21 13:16
Looks like you already put your mind into what you want to get lol, you are just trying to find some ...

ATM my vang is Hyorin, my TSI is at 1.6M BP and my red tavern Byaukua is around 800k... still have prob 3 or 4 seasons till i get my Muken so I'm quite sure once I pick him up I will have close to 1M attack on him (My poorly evoed TSI brok 600k recently is where I"m getting that 1M attack from... tier 11 hogu level 10, 2x level 12 str, 4x level 11 str, level 45 level 130 ultimate str acc 4x blaze, 2x dark I think gears, ect...) 1M may be a big more than what I come up with, but it's not too far off I believe... Muken should show up at least 3 star, prob close to 5 or 6... within a week or two with Muken I think he will move me up to top 5 in CSB honestly

author: JULSWC5 time: 2017-8-21 14:09:25

IMO u should get valkery or stay with tsi and get minazuki or get another sup one orange XD

author: DeEmEn time: 2017-8-21 22:18:37

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-8-21 11:43
ATM my vang is Hyorin, my TSI is at 1.6M BP and my red tavern Byaukua is around 800k... still have ...

So yeah, you wont have much to spare for your VG since it will take a long time to build a good Muken, so why not just go for Kukaku and RJ?

author: Asian123 time: 2017-8-22 04:55:25

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-8-21 22:59
few small things... first off, yeah, KS vs Jakka... Jakka is hella nice, but KS is much cheaper ...

Muken himself, if built as he is supposed to be built, can take care of all opponents.
Since you have him as something that will give you victory, you have to better safeguard your trump card.
Since he is slower than other partners that could cause problems for him, you should get Hasch since he is able to clear any chaos or silence that could have been put on your Muken(with Hasch's shield).
Vanguards, at this point of the game, have no value whatsoever.
Muken currently controls the whole game.
Hasch and such are just his followers xD

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-8-22 08:42:37

Asian123 replied at 2017-8-22 04:55
Muken himself, if built as he is supposed to be built, can take care of all opponents.
Since you h ...

muken's damage isn't what's stopping me... it's RJ's def boost mixed with his burn/mutulate... RJ is much more trouble to me than Muken

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-8-22 08:48:37

JULSWC5 replied at 2017-8-21 14:09
IMO u should get valkery or stay with tsi and get minazuki or get another sup one orange XD

my issue with minazuki is that for that price I could just pick up RJ instead of nursing a near RJ counter till I get the real one... for an orange support, maybe... just maybe... but for now I"m still mulling it over, lol

author: Asian123 time: 2017-8-22 11:03:07

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-8-22 18:42
muken's damage isn't what's stopping me... it's RJ's def boost mixed with his burn/mutulate... R ...

I didn't say anything about Muken stopping you.
RJ is useless vs Kyoka Suigetsu. There is too much of a problem in this matter so I'd rather not discuss it.
Muken can break through RJ's defence and do enough damage to oneshot the opponent.
Muken is everyone's saviour in thie case. That is why I tell you

Muken himself, if built as he is supposed to be built, can take care of all opponents.
Since you have him as something that will give you victory, you have to better safeguard your trump card.
Since he is slower than other partners that could cause problems for him, you should get Hasch since he is able to clear any chaos or silence that could have been put on your Muken(with Hasch's shield).

Muken currently controls the whole game.
Hasch and such are just his followers

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