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Title: Which is better: Hiki's main skill or excl skill? [Print this page]

author: Chihiro135 time: 2017-8-21 07:59:42 Title: Which is better: Hiki's main skill or excl skill?

Main skill:
attack enemy assaulters and supports, growth rate is 120%, increase own assaulter and support's attack by 50% for 1 round, cast invincibility on all allies for 1 round and decrease enemy assaulter and support's fury by 25

Exclusive skill:
Attack all enemies, growth rate 120%, cast all allies invincibility for 1 round and increase all allies 30% attack for 1 round, and decrease all enemies fury by 15, restore all allies fury by 15.

Bearing in mind up until I got hiki I was going for yama's exclusive skill: attack all enemies, growth rate is 150%, ignite for 2 rounds, growth rate is 20%, randomly cast fury restriction and reduce 2 enemies hp for 1 round, decrease all enemies fury by 10

author: Tanfosh time: 2017-8-21 08:24:25

I want to get hiki exclusive skill but after I get muken exclusive skill first

author: [email protected] time: 2017-8-21 08:43:54

hiki's exclu skill aint that bad even tho u lose some dmg compared to regular skill but u also gain 15 or 22 fury, depends on what crits she lands and exclu also helps ya gettin 1 or more t1 partners in case you dont have enough fury stones. ofc there are better suports and harder hittin but if hiki is the best u can get and u cant afford newer red or an orange partner then go for hiki's exclu skill

author: Rokianas time: 2017-8-21 08:58:55

Well it's actually very hard to tell.
Exclusive seems a bit better since it attack all enemies instead of assaulters and support with same growth rate. --------> (Exclusive wins)
Cast invincibility is the same. -------> (same)
Yet attack rates bonus on main skill is 50% to ass and supp and exclusive is 30% to everyone, both for one round. ---------> (Main wins (i think, since... it's just better here

Since it gives 50% instead of 30% and it only misses vg, yet vg mostly doesn't deal most dmg so i totaly think Main is better))
Fury: main only decrease enemies fury by 25, exclusive decrease enemies by 15 and increase allies by 15.... ------> (Exclusive wins (i think... since... well... hard to say about this one actually... If you already decrease enemies fury, pretty much any amount is fine, since not many players got much above 100fury then they go for T1 and that little bonus fury for your team makes it easier to have T1 yourself)).

Conclusion: Main - 1 point; Exclusive - 2 points.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-8-21 09:12:37

don't forget that as you level up exclusive skill it gets even better

author: Devvoke2 time: 2017-8-21 09:23:24

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author: Asian123 time: 2017-8-21 10:36:54

It's better not to invest any more than 40 levels for Hikifune's exclusive.
You'd better just save the ex frags for a better partner(like Muken).

author: Chihiro135 time: 2017-8-21 14:55:29

[email protected] replied at 2017-8-21 15:43
hiki's exclu skill aint that bad even tho u lose some dmg compared to regular skill but u also gain ...

I already have a T1 team but it's only with Kisuke...Hiki is renowned for being fast so if I can use her to T1 my team instead that'd already be a huge advantage. I have enough fury stones to T1 Hiki once she gets her +5 fury through evo so will have to wait a while to achieve that...Yama's skill also deducts 10 fury from enemy so was working on him originally. Hiki is probably the best I can get lol, I don't top up anymore since I hit vip4

author: Chihiro135 time: 2017-8-21 14:58:41

Devvoke2 replied at 2017-8-21 16:23
look at the lvl 100 hiki ex skill

then go back in time and dont make this thread

lol assuming I only ever use excl frags on hiki

would take quite a while to get enough to make her lvl 100

author: Chihiro135 time: 2017-8-21 15:00:00

Asian123 replied at 2017-8-21 17:36
It's better not to invest any more than 40 levels for Hikifune's exclusive.
You'd better just save t ...

not sure if I'm getting Muken...might go for the zan instead

author: [email protected] time: 2017-8-21 15:41:35

Chihiro135 replied at 2017-8-21 14:55
I already have a T1 team but it's only with Kisuke...Hiki is renowned for being fast so if I can u ...

in that case you whould only need fury stones on rest partners to reach 85 startin fury in case she doesnt give 22 crit fury regen,
up side its not even worth tryin to do the math on how fast she is compared to kisuke, down side u will have to get her exclu skill unlocked at exclu 70 which costs 33730 frags, alot but like i said, if you cant afford a newer red or orange type support then hiki's exclu skill will help you greatly since u use kisuke.

in my opinion, kisuke is good low to mid part of the game, late game hes good only due to hes 100 fury to all upon death, and even that is tricky cuz a faster yama or senju will block u from gainin the fury from kisukes death

author: @ra5h_V time: 2017-8-22 01:29:41

depends on your vip level and opponents, if your opponents uses Raijin or similar you cant defeat them even with ex. hiki and better think about muken and his ex.

author: Chihiro135 time: 2017-8-22 06:32:36

[email protected] replied at 2017-8-21 22:41
in that case you whould only need fury stones on rest partners to reach 85 startin fury in case sh ...

My server's old so we don't have a lot of competition anymore lol, and the only way i could make a stand against the bigger boys was with good ol kisuke and cheap T1. the main guy I'm trying to beat became a regular top-up guy and I can't compete with that haha XD but he runs hiki, koga, true shikai, and kirinji, all at least 5 levels above me and fully modded. So I prob don't have a chance regardless...I'm at that awkward place in arena where I'm the strongest basically f2p and everyone above me is a high vip. But there's always csb to take into consideration

author: Chihiro135 time: 2017-8-22 06:36:19

@ra5h_V replied at 2017-8-22 08:29
depends on your vip level and opponents, if your opponents uses Raijin or similar you cant defeat th ...

mostly they run hiki's and kirinji's to be honest...only a couple of people above me in arena so not much diversity unless someone rents raijin on the odd occassion. I'm vip 4 but don't top up any more. For my form I'm not sure muken or the zan would be better (i run tensa now with main, yama, demon ichi, red kisuke (one day would like to replace him with shinso but if i get hiki's excl then I can maybe get someone else instead) and a sad pathetic tavern gin who i'm going to replace with hiki once she's buff enough)

author: [email protected] time: 2017-8-22 06:57:38

Chihiro135 replied at 2017-8-22 06:36
mostly they run hiki's and kirinji's to be honest...only a couple of people above me in arena so n ...

in that case, you might wanna consider goin for muken first, as for the rest, hiki still a good counter vs hiki and kirinji only if u manage to get yours faster, and shinso is a very good partner still especially since u dont top anymore and you aint plannin to buy other suport. hes dmg aint that bad, hes speed aura very nice and with him you can have a full t1 formation easy. tensa is still a very good zanp even with katen,rj and kyoka zanp available so dont rush to swap tensa for kyoka, muken will help more than kyoka
kyoka is a good rj counter but in order to counter, u will need quite serious defense otherwise u still risk gettin 1shot so the sweet debuff removal from kyoka will be made useless

author: Chihiro135 time: 2017-8-22 08:23:41

[email protected] replied at 2017-8-22 13:57
in that case, you might wanna consider goin for muken first, as for the rest, hiki still a good co ...

hmm yes good point, not like I'm running into many rj users (only 1 on my server and he's the strongest), so muken does look better. For PVE I was swapping out yama for brenji and then using rented shin isshin, but I could replace shin isshin with muken then . I think the 1095 day sign in is 38888 coupons if i'm not mistaken...could be best opportunity to get him coupon-wise

author: Cronosel time: 2017-8-22 08:27:10

Original skill in my concept is best and i using hiki only for PvE
Senjumaru + hikifune // Muken + MC// Nozarashi

Katen zanpa

author: [email protected] time: 2017-8-22 08:36:40

Chihiro135 replied at 2017-8-22 08:23
hmm yes good point, not like I'm running into many rj users (only 1 on my server and he's the stro ...

there might be another way to get sgin but it depends if anni event with those 2 free 200g topup cards comes again, then you could try gettin shinso from reio guardian for 3200g gold, those cupons might be better used to get lvl 4 stone packs and make muken t1 without dependin on fury from hiki exclu or any other fury giver, that way ur chances to win in pvp will increase since hes immune to fury deduction

author: Chihiro135 time: 2017-8-22 08:43:46

[email protected] replied at 2017-8-22 15:36
there might be another way to get sgin but it depends if anni event with those 2 free 200g topup c ...

I can always hope lol. I don't think they'll be giving too many of those top up cards away though...also would have a deficit of gold, I've used 1 top up card during bankai power and i'm sitting on 688 gold. Hard to turn that in to 3200g

Only other option is legend gallery if it ever comes back (if i get enough top up cards)

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