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author: BurnToAshes time: 2017-9-9 02:42:36 Title: What support to get? Gin Or Aizen

Edited by BurnToAshes at 2017-9-9 12:20

My team is: Hiki (Pure T1)-Yama-H.Ichigo with KazaWas using Urahara to T1 everyone but since i went with Pure T1 Hiki, i have no more use for him so thinking to use Gin or Aizen instead of him.

author: Xallog time: 2017-9-9 04:02:04

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author: BurnToAshes time: 2017-9-9 05:33:02

Xallog replied at 2017-9-9 10:02
Honestly both seem meh since you've got t1 Hiki which does fury deduction to both assaulter AND supp ...

was thinking of getting an assault for a 1-3-1 formation but the tavern choices are that good (well it is too late for Byakuya or Tosen, i'm at level 121... & i have Ishida whose is a god in PVE but can't do much in pvp)
well my other choise is to get Kirinji.. sure everyone got him but he is still good partner

author: Xallog time: 2017-9-9 05:43:34

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author: BurnToAshes time: 2017-9-9 05:49:48

Xallog replied at 2017-9-9 11:43
Honestly I would reccommend s.gin from reio, 3.2k and he's great at what he does.

wait what o_O i didn't know that. I'll take S.Gin over them in a heart beat.
how do i get him for 3.2k? just buy tokens?

author: ibeengettinmoney time: 2017-9-9 06:01:36

Edited by ibeengettinmoney at 2017-9-9 06:04

BurnToAshes replied at 2017-9-9 05:49
wait what o_O i didn't know that. I'll take S.Gin over them in a heart beat.
how do i get him for ...

yep, 3200 in reio in day 8 or 9, if u have any tokens its good, if not, to straight up buy tokens for sgin will cost only 3200gkirinji might be also a decent choice, hes 20% kido dmg reduction aura aint bad and he also has ignore invinci which helps if you fight somebody with shini kensei death mod with 2 rounds of invinci, if not sgin still good and he also will increase your suports speed by 10% himself included

author: BurnToAshes time: 2017-9-9 06:19:50

ibeengettinmoney replied at 2017-9-9 12:01
yep, 3200 in reio in day 8 or 9, if u have any tokens its good, if not, to straight up buy tokens f ...

wow didn't know that ty

i'll go for S.Gin (only have 1k gold now.. so probably will get him next reio not this one). I always wanted S.Gin

ty again

author: easymoney2906 time: 2017-9-9 06:26:17

BurnToAshes replied at 2017-9-9 06:19
wow didn't know that ty
i'll go for S.Gin (only have 1k gold now.. so probably will get him nex ...

If you still have 2 top up cards from last anniversary event you can get him in this reio. Bankai power is in next event set.

author: BurnToAshes time: 2017-9-9 06:29:47

easymoney2906 replied at 2017-9-9 12:26
If you still have 2 top up cards from last anniversary event you can get him in this reio. Bankai ...

i have 2 top up cards waiting :p ahhh yeah it still has 6 days.. so i might be able to get him this time

author: Xallog time: 2017-9-9 06:51:58

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author: SanekN time: 2017-9-9 09:29:20

do not change the formation, it will not give you much. Keep gold on something worthwhile, at least 12k

author: Rokianas time: 2017-9-9 10:21:30

Get Shunsui and get his 6th mod, to make your Hiki even faster ;)
Only worth partner to get from Tavern for you.

What you need to do now, is to stack your Hiki as much as you can, ignore everyone else.

author: BurnToAshes time: 2017-9-9 11:56:38

SanekN replied at 2017-9-9 15:29
do not change the formation, it will not give you much. Keep gold on something worthwhile, at least ...

was planning on saving gold for Koga, i'll do that after S.Gin cause i really want him

author: BurnToAshes time: 2017-9-9 11:59:21

Rokianas replied at 2017-9-9 16:21
Get Shunsui and get his 6th mod, to make your Hiki even faster ;)
Only worth partner to get from Tav ...

i'm splitting the love between Hiki & Yama (cause i have an ult gear upgraded to Azura on Yama, so i have to pay attention to hit a bit )

author: Rokianas time: 2017-9-9 12:17:16

BurnToAshes replied at 2017-9-9 18:59
i'm splitting the love between Hiki & Yama (cause i have an ult gear upgraded to Azura on Yama, so ...

Yamamoto will fall off quite hard you know.
Yet they aren't same type, one use physical other use strategy (str and wisdom). So it shouldn't be too big of a problem to stack them both. Yet i'd suggest to strengthen you Hiki more than Yamamoto.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-9-9 12:17:57

BurnToAshes replied at 2017-9-9 11:59
i'm splitting the love between Hiki & Yama (cause i have an ult gear upgraded to Azura on Yama, so ...

drop yama, stack your vang, you get MUCH better rewards from your work... and it's not too late for Byaukua... with his exclusive and death mod unlocked, he can litterally do well in everything, letting you leave him in full time, letting him gain XP as fast as possible... I was level 140 when I picked mine up and I never regretted it for a single day... it seems like yama is better in pvp I understand, but Byaukua with OG skill lowers speed on foes and even if he doesn't get to move a muscle, his death mod will still smack the crap out of foes when he dies!! plus he's boss in Void, and with exclusive skill active, he's on par with Zabi Renji, but can wear red hogus, has death mod, and can change his skill to give you more flexibility

author: BurnToAshes time: 2017-9-9 12:26:51

Rokianas replied at 2017-9-9 18:17
Yamamoto will fall off quite hard you know.
Yet they aren't same type, one use physical other use ...

Yama is at max Crit, Break & Counter.. so there is no more working on him. Just waiting to get better assault.
Just started working at Hiki, she is at 50% everyting so far & at 38 Ex Skill

author: BurnToAshes time: 2017-9-9 12:40:07

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-9-9 18:17
drop yama, stack your vang, you get MUCH better rewards from your work... and it's not too late f ...

Do you know how many fragement i need to get his death mod? the info is missing in wiki.
Once i get S.Gin, i'll inherit Kisuke (i can get 1200 or 1600 frags depends on how much gold is left)

author: BurnToAshes time: 2017-9-9 12:51:13

Edited by BurnToAshes at 2017-9-9 18:59

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-9-9 18:17
drop yama, stack your vang, you get MUCH better rewards from your work... and it's not too late f ...

I want to stack Vang but with Kaze that -40% dmg doesn't help.. so i'm not focusing on VG much till i get better zanpakto.. Well my H.Ichigo has max counter & block but that's it... was even thinking to get Hyorin or Senbon.. since they are the cheapest

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-9-9 13:47:45

BurnToAshes replied at 2017-9-9 12:51
I want to stack Vang but with Kaze that -40% dmg doesn't help.. so i'm not focusing on VG much till ...

fun fact... that -40%% does not affect your block damage... or so it seems from tests I've ran.... another reason to buff that block rate to the sky!!

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-9-9 13:48:48

BurnToAshes replied at 2017-9-9 12:40
Do you know how many fragement i need to get his death mod? the info is missing in wiki.
Once i get ...

not sure total number, I know his last mod is 600 frags, so it shouldn't be too much to get there, maybe 1,250 tops?

author: BurnToAshes time: 2017-9-9 14:10:02

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-9-9 19:47
fun fact... that -40%% does not affect your block damage... or so it seems from tests I've ran.. ...

yeah i'm at 102% block. later on i'll do the advanced modification for extra block...
do you think it is work getting Hyorin or Senben? or just save for UBP & hope for something better?

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-9-9 16:00:56

Edited by MylarHyrule at 2017-9-9 16:06

BurnToAshes replied at 2017-9-9 14:10
yeah i'm at 102% block. later on i'll do the advanced modification for extra block...
do you think ...

I run Hyorin, he makes my vanguard a freaking chunk of steel, and he boosts my supports speed some, however Hyorin is NOT a speed centered Zanp, so if you get him, build defense defense defense...  Senbon is more speed based, he helps out not only vang (less than Hyorin tho) but also boosts assaulters, and has speed infuse on the zan itself (Hyorin does not)...

now for my opinion on the mater...

Hyorin is better than Senbon all day long...  running either of them you should be at least moderately stacking your vang, otherwise it isn't worth it to have your zanp ignore either your supports or assaulters...  with a stacked vanguard, your str stones and other assaulter stones will be centered on the vanguard leaving worse stuff for assaulters, leaving them weaker then they should be already...  however you should still have plenty of stones and such for your supports, leaving them at a more natural place to be better built, so having a zanpacto that shows some love to the only other partners that you will probably have the stuff to build with a stacked vang for a while seems like the easy choice to me if I'm honest...

IMO a good tactic for low VIP or even F2P...  stack a vang hard AF, have the rest of your team there for pve (run Kiuske, Cute Orihime, Tavern Byaukua, and a hard stacked H Ichi with Ikkaku as a substitute assaulter to swap out Ichi for in pve for instance)  that way you have your hard stacked vang, (which forget what anyone else will tell you, a well stacked vanguard is a dirt cheap yet VERY effective way to win fights) then your team behind you will probably die off quickly if you do any form of real stacking on your vang, but like Byaukua's death mod will deal damage, and if you face a well build vang yourself, your pve team should help make short work of  them (high damage on single/few target(s))
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forgot you had Hikifune,  Hiki will almost definatly raise your overall damage output more than Cute, replace Cute with her I'd wager...  one change to this may be if you have Ikkaku and exclusive skill Byaukua, Zabi Renji, Shura Kenpachi, or any other assaulter that regens some of own fury as cute and kiuske together will have them skilling each round, and having front 3 skilling every round vs having them hit harder every few rounds is something you may need to test and try out yourself, good news is you can rent Orihime for a day and check her out, her skill is her gold, not her raw damage so she is almost as good with no work as with a lot of it

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2017-9-9 17:40:39

btw if you are ever going to go for this "Stack vg" route, it only works if you're actually going to be dedicated and spend quite the bit into that VG, and ofc choosing a great one, like your whole formation will end up surrounding this one VG, not recommended for further progression into the game unless you want to be stuck with countered formations in a mid-level gameplay crisis

As I said for stacked VGs to even work as good you're going to need to focus on them entirely, like obtaining zanpakutos just for them, possibly other partners just for them, and ofc all the resources put into them. Having Kazeshini also doesn't help the VG situation too lol, it's an assaulter focused zanpakuto so that won't work great at all. And obtaining VG zanpakutos other than Ryujin will indeed put you in the spot of that mid-level gameplay as the only other VG focused zanpakutos are Hyorinmaru and Senbonzakura, both found in mid level gameplay and tend to stay there :/

I'd only recommend VG stacking (especially on an offensive VG) if you are going to dwell into their world completely and almost disregard anything else in your formation, alongside if you're working with a budget too then this will become a good option. If you aren't working with a budget and you're looking forward to progression in both PVP and PVE, then play just about any other strategy as they will do that lol

Choosing to go VG stacking mode will indeed place you in that mid tier level of gameplay and you would only be excelling in PVP only, not PVE, and again wouldn't be by so much due to it being a mid level gameplay strategy that will not work in the long run. It will work if you are indeed already at a high level of gameplay, and i mean that by somewhere around the highest level and not specifically your arena/CSB, but generally high level gameplay ^^

author: easymoney2906 time: 2017-9-9 17:45:36

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2017-9-9 17:40
btw if you are ever going to go for this "Stack vg" route, it only works if you're actually going to ...

He should just stack Starrk with Senbon/Hyorin if he is low vip player.

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2017-9-9 17:49:51

easymoney2906 replied at 2017-9-9 22:45
He should just stack Starrk with Senbon/Hyorin if he is low vip player.

You are right with the Starrk choice <3333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333

and yus he does indeed give people a 100% win rate when he is in your formation

butt he still requires a lot of work and focus as stated before in order to be pulling off progressive results as he is an offensive VG too :/ ^^

author: easymoney2906 time: 2017-9-9 17:55:10

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2017-9-9 17:49
You are right with the Starrk choice

He does need lots of work, i find him best vangaurd for low vip's, most people say H.Ichigo is way better, but if you plan to stack Vanguard he should have great defense too.

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2017-9-9 18:31:47

easymoney2906 replied at 2017-9-9 22:55
He does need lots of work, i find him best vangaurd for low vip's, most people say H.Ichigo is way ...

aye yes, being the offensive vanguard he is with an attack all skill, his potential is really insane especially with his exclusive skill adding to more offensive potential with higher damage.

Defence doesn't really come up as a predicament for stacked VG's as long as they are indeed focused but ye takes a toll on the rest of the formation so much :/ ^^

author: easymoney2906 time: 2017-9-9 18:38:59

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2017-9-9 18:31
aye yes, being the offensive vanguard he is with an attack all skill, his potential is really insa ...

Well it does affect the rest of the team when you really want to build a strong VG, but when you are low vip and like 90% of the partners that you can get asap are from tavren i would just stack vangaurd. Also people forget Starrk has HP bond, it really gives him a great help when it comes to defense.

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2017-9-9 19:45:40

easymoney2906 replied at 2017-9-9 23:38
Well it does affect the rest of the team when you really want to build a strong VG, but when you a ...

well they could stack an assaulter like Byakuya, that would definitely help them progress much further than stacking a VG who's potential is only as far as "mid tier" gameplay, stacking an assaulter will help them in PVE/PVP rather than solely PVP, having a stacked VG recommended to this person from early on gameplay is quite the horrible thing

#StarrkFTW tho cos do that for 100% win rate whoop whoop <3

author: BurrakuRaijja time: 2017-9-10 01:51:26

BurnToAshes replied at 2017-9-9 12:40
Do you know how many fragement i need to get his death mod? the info is missing in wiki.
Once i get ...

dont inherit-use both-i have shinso now and never inherited my red kisuke..Use him as 2nd team for swp noza and aizen pieces !st team-hiki,yama,s.gin,and H.ichigo. 2nd team kirinji,kisuke,sexy yoruichi&Vg.Tosgiro..sometimes i use toshiro i first team because his skill is sweet and last mod is beasty

author: BurnToAshes time: 2017-9-10 06:01:03

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2017-9-10 01:45
well they could stack an assaulter like Byakuya, that would definitely help them progress much fur ...

oh the good old Starrk Stack...Once Upon a time, i used to be a Starrk user... i used to run Starrk & Senbon. was a good time

used to play 3 years ago in the early server... forgot which one 20 or 2 or 22... just remember had 2 in it

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2017-9-10 14:15:41

BurnToAshes replied at 2017-9-10 11:01
oh the good old Starrk Stack...Once Upon a time, i used to be a Starrk user... i used to run Starr ...

Oh boy you must have been no.1 in that server then <33

I'm doing that right now myself, have been for whenever Senbon came during some vitality event years ago

you already know my results, just 1-shot everyone, insta win <3

author: djomla27 time: 2017-9-12 13:39:03

gin cause of last mod,also many supports these days are immune deduct-stun.....anyways gin

author: BurnToAshes time: 2017-9-12 15:40:09

God dammit... people in my realm didn't use Top-Up on any day... ended up wasting 1 card & got 100 gold...

rip my S.Gin dream

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2017-9-13 12:37:35

BurnToAshes replied at 2017-9-12 20:40
God dammit... people in my realm didn't use Top-Up on any day... ended up wasting 1 card & got 100 g ...

awww that's really unfortunate :/

Isn't there any other way to get Shinso? having to wait for those cards again is quite the long way away

author: BurnToAshes time: 2017-9-13 14:24:51

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2017-9-13 18:37
awww that's really unfortunate :/

Isn't there any other way to get Shinso? having to wait for tho ...

Well seems Top-Up Cards useless for me now.. at least till another big merge since my realm seems to be dead.. even TOT is basically empty at most 10 or 12 ppl register in it..and in Bankai Power we got max 16 zanpakto..
well time to go back to saving Vit for Ubp :p

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2017-9-14 10:34:17 Title: migh

BurnToAshes replied at 2017-9-13 19:24
Well seems Top-Up Cards useless for me now.. at least till another big merge since my realm seems ...

yowch that sounds awful in terms of popularity on your servers, that effected quite the bit of plans :/

well hopefully you can obtain Shinso Gin another way in short time, a hopeful UBP might do the trick, good luck saving! ^^

author: trojandrew time: 2017-10-17 09:03:10

BurnToAshes replied at 2017-9-13 14:24
Well seems Top-Up Cards useless for me now.. at least till another big merge since my realm seems ...

Bankai power only sucked this time around bc there wasn't a top up card event before it. Just gotta wait for that to roll around again

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