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author: ibromvlieg    time: 2015-1-26 09:40:05     Title: best vanguard.

which one is the best vanguard?
be aware that i am only lvl 108, and that kenpachi is not the upgraded one since it's lv 120 to upgrade him...
got 14k gold reishi right now [also planning to get aizen/uryu at lv 110.
and when im here asking for tips and opinions. when im lv 110 and i get aizen who should i replace him for? gin or unohana? my formation at the moment is-
pvp t3 unohana/t3 gin - main/t4 kenpachi - t5 sajin
pve t4 rukia/t5 urahara - main/t4 kenpachi/t4 ikaku
also is there a better partner as support [which is gold] to place for rukia? in pve events.

thank you very much
sincerely ariella.
author: ajoalex    time: 2015-1-26 10:02:16

i think shin shura will be best for pve as a vg compared to stark, ichigo. i am going for him now, will take me 45 odd days though.
for pvp i use starrk t2 instead of sajin t4 especially cos of the aoe which helps me many times in killing those T1 support with very less life.

i am not sure where to use sajin for now other than espadas. i would also like to know if sajin is a better vg for guild wars
author: wilson1990    time: 2015-1-26 10:43:04

1) Realistically shin shura is the best vg atm.

2) If you got your hands on aizen you should replace gin with him. (With aizen doing AoE and -fury + stun , you dont need gin which do the same) Better using unohana unless your unohana's lvl is miles apart from your team. Then you will have to either lvl her up using exp scrolls or replace her for gin.

3) unfortunately most supports isnt suited for pve. Either use gin (which you already have) cause of his high skill dmg or use baraggan cause of his poison to get extra dmg.
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-1-26 12:26:22

The best vanguard all depends on your setup and how you want to fight. It also will change for PvP and PvE.
author: Brahmastra    time: 2015-1-26 12:53:00

As for PVE its definitely Kenpachi. Although for PVP I still prefer Toshiro just for the 25% attack decrease, break defense decrease and block increase. That 25% can be the difference between life and death when it comes to support characters.
Kenpachi is real nice and all but if the random silenced enemy is not their main it's useless. (at least on my server) As for random fury recovery, same story. Welp that's just my opinion.. but in the end it really depends on your server.
author: Evild4nte    time: 2015-1-26 13:01:50

Edited by Evild4nte at 2015-1-26 12:15
wilson1990 replied at 2015-1-26 09:43
1) Realistically shin shura is the best vg atm.

2) If you got your hands on aizen you should replac ...

1) There will be many pve situations where the aidrate and the recover health on vanguard will be much more important than more damage of the vanguard.
For events in evil spirit u wont use a vanguard and in later ryoka levels the recovery rate could be better too.
2) A save fury deduction is high rate stun is at least less luckbased than a random stun and fury deduction at low rate.
I would go for Hueco Mundo aizen first, who is more reliable than csb aizen and will easyly annoy any vanguard and get vanguard Kenpachi later.
author: BurakCinar    time: 2015-1-26 13:08:02

Brahmastra replied at 2015-1-26 11:53
As for PVE its definitely Kenpachi. Although for PVP I still prefer Toshiro just for the 25% attack  ...

dunno about that. so far kenpachi looks like the best VG  by MILES for us
author: UnKnOwNHoLlOw    time: 2015-1-26 13:11:30

BurakCinar replied at 2015-1-26 12:08
dunno about that. so far kenpachi looks like the best VG  by MILES for us

For pvp i think vasto lorde ichi will be better :/  
author: BurakCinar    time: 2015-1-26 13:41:01

UnKnOwNHoLlOw replied at 2015-1-26 12:11
For pvp i think vasto lorde ichi will be better :/

we dont have him yet, but ya if he costs 5k$ ofc he has to be better 8)))
author: UnKnOwNHoLlOw    time: 2015-1-26 14:04:19

BurakCinar replied at 2015-1-26 12:41
we dont have him yet, but ya if he costs 5k$ ofc he has to be better 8)))

Damn right   
author: wilson1990    time: 2015-1-26 15:29:57

Evild4nte replied at 2015-1-26 12:01
1) There will be many pve situations where the aidrate and the recover health on vanguard will be m ...

Yeah but i'm just answering according to the questions she/he asked lol. Since she's/he's asking for the opinion on tavern aizen
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-1-26 16:53:26

BurakCinar replied at 2015-1-26 12:08
dunno about that. so far kenpachi looks like the best VG  by MILES for us

Shin Shura Kenpachi is garbage. Doesn't do anything.

You can make a argument for Nozarashi Kenpachi, but even then I don't think so.

Part of the strength of a offensive VG is the immense amount of defensive capability. A Hyorinmaru Toshiro can fairly easily eclipse 500k Arena/CSB hp at level 80. Combined with a defense buff from Hyorinmaru and -ATK buff from himself, throw in a Revive, and his effective HP is through the roof. Stark is similar in nature. You don't win fights with a Offensive VG by blowing people out, you win fairly slowly by getting a incremental advantage ( assuming the fight is fairly equal ).

Kenpachi doesn't do this. He hits like a truck on a single target, but has far less survivability then Toshiro or Stark. He does have the best VG modify talent ( chance to stun when attacked ), but Toshiro has it as well and you will get Toshiro's long before you get Kenpachi's.

I am not a fan of Kenpachi VG. If the rest of your team gets wiped, Kenpachi has a rough time soloing. Toshiro and Stark can do it fairly reliably. I haven't seen his growth rates, so maybe it is insane and I am wrong based on that, but you more often then not don't need his skill vs other skills.
author: BurakCinar    time: 2015-1-26 18:00:11

Aristeaus replied at 2015-1-26 15:53
Shin Shura Kenpachi is garbage. Doesn't do anything.

You can make a argument for Nozarashi Kenpac ...

u dont know the power of a offensive vg with a zanpakuto to boost him
author: KrisKingOfLegend    time: 2015-1-26 18:06:11

#StarkTheWorseVanguard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
author: watman    time: 2015-1-26 18:12:07

All things being equal:
The comparison of Toshiro vs Shin Shura Ken

Toshiro:
Base stats: weaker than Shin Ken's for sure, I remember it not being greater than 400 in each stat.  So I'll safely assume Toshiro's growth rates will be lower as well.

Talent:
Higher Agi
10% dmg rate
10% immune rate

Skill:
150% growth to VG / Assaulters
-25% atk
-25% break def
+25% block


Shin Shura:
Base Stats: Higher than Toshiros

Talent:
Higher Str Bonus (more physical defense)
7% dmg rate
7% immune

Skill:
300% Single Line
Fossilize Enemy VG (unable to do anything?)
+25% damage
+35% crit rate (not sure if chance or damage, probably damage)


Ken will dish out a ton more damage for sure, survivability definitely goes to Toshiro.


So in the scenario that an opponent is of equal power level, it usually means that both your vg's will roughly do... nothing to each other.
I would take Shin Shura Kenpachi in this case, because with 300% growth...  I can probably VG Bust with him.

Even though Toshiro is a terrible VG Buster, sometimes Toshiro can kill my opponents Kido Main because of his skill reaching assaulters.
But against Physical Mains, toshiro usually does nothing to the enemy main.

These two both have their plus and minuses, but once it's Nozarashi...  there's no comparison.
The addition of random silent enemy and random +100 fury to ally...  gg.
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-1-26 18:29:16

BurakCinar replied at 2015-1-26 17:00
u dont know the power of a offensive vg with a zanpakuto to boost him

You are right. I haven't, on multiple occasions, made claims that Hyorinmaru is the best Zanpakuto in the game. I don't own Hyyorinmaru and have a offensive VG based team. Nooope. Not me.


author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-1-26 18:44:11

watman replied at 2015-1-26 17:12
All things being equal:
The comparison of Toshiro vs Shin Shura Ken

Ken does 300% damage to that tankiest member of their team. Toshiro does 150% on multiple targets, while debuffing. I wouldn't exactly call that more damage then Toshiro.

Base stats are meaningless. Growth rate is the only important thing.

IIRC, Fossilize makes the opponent immune to damage as well. Regardless, it is really hard to VG bust in this game. The idea is to kill a VG as soon as possible, but if you don't manage to do it after your team skills, you just lose. You wasted most, if not all, of your skills and the only damage you did was to the VG. Meanwhile, your team gets eaten by AoE. When it comes down to a VG vs multiple opponents, which does happen quite often, I would rather have Toshiro then Kenpachi.

I would actually make a argument for Sexy Rangiku being the best VG in the game. A Hyorinmaru team should probably be a 3-1-1, and getting Aid + HOT is way more valuable to me. Not to mention the 15% defense talent, which is really good in itself with Hyorinmaru.
author: KrisKingOfLegend    time: 2015-1-26 18:50:06

Edited by KrisKingOfLegend at 2015-1-26 17:51
Aristeaus replied at 2015-1-26 17:44
Ken does 300% damage to that tankiest member of their team. Toshiro does 150% on multiple targets, ...

Finally someone who is smart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
author: KrisKingOfLegend    time: 2015-1-26 18:52:09

although stark is so damn terrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
author: watman    time: 2015-1-26 19:02:18

I have Hyorinmaru, and I still think it's situational between the two.

You have to remember that most of the time you are fighting against a Saijin, with his +35% defense boost:
And that generally renders your damage to <1000; fight is over.  
They might not be able to kill your vg, but your vg wont do anything to the opponents vg.

Shins 300% growth, all things being equal, stand a much higher chance of breaching the opponents VG defense, and actually deal more than 5 dmg.


Maybe I have yet to see the potential of Toshiro against leftovers, albeit having used him for some 20 odd levels, but usually if it's my vg that's left, it means my t1 combo barely scratched the opponents team and I've been severely out classed.
In which case, they are much stronger than I am anyways, and my vg isn't going to do shit other than serve to stay alive for a few turns doing 5 dmg.

On another note:
Is revive a percentage of your damage output?  Or is it a fixed number and variable to the number of opponents you hit?
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-1-26 19:18:23

watman replied at 2015-1-26 18:02
I have Hyorinmaru, and I still think it's situational between the two.

You have to remember that mo ...

Again, not seeing your argument. Toshiro's reduction in attack is WAY more valuable then +35% defense ( sajin is slow as balls so he gets hit a ton before he even uses his skill ). Reducing 25% attack also reduces the growth rate of skills.

100k - 25% = 75k. 300% = 225k against defense
100k. 300% = 300k against defense

That 35% extra defense has to give you 75k defense to be equal to Toshiro. For that to happen, you need 220k defense on your Sajin, which isn't happening.

Why do you even need to breach the VG? Kill everything else. You win. lol

Revive is a flat % of your HP total. If you have 100k HP, you get 3000 back. 500k, 15k back, per action.
author: UnKnOwNHoLlOw    time: 2015-1-27 06:36:18     Title: RE: best vanguard.

Aristeaus replied at 2015-1-26 18:18
Again, not seeing your argument. Toshiro's reduction in attack is WAY more valuable then +35% defe ...

I thought revive is calculated by your attack and its also written i think :/  
author: ajoalex    time: 2015-1-27 13:40:21

err, ken vg is best for ryoka only and nothing else compared to the other vgs out there.  so ken vg to replace that vg from wave 51-54 all the way upto your last attack.
author: Evild4nte    time: 2015-1-27 18:38:17

ajoalex replied at 2015-1-27 12:40
err, ken vg is best for ryoka only and nothing else compared to the other vgs out there.  so ken vg  ...

Hm, not sure if he will survive later waves.
author: chamsdar    time: 2015-1-27 19:39:02

you need to edit to say Nozarashi Kenpachi.
author: chamsdar    time: 2015-1-27 19:43:18

KrisKingOfLegend replied at 2015-1-26 17:06
#StarkTheWorseVanguard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

where did you get that from! your stark is weak, doesn't mean everyone stark is weak.
havent you see Wis stark?
author: chamsdar    time: 2015-1-27 19:47:06

watman replied at 2015-1-26 17:12
All things being equal:
The comparison of Toshiro vs Shin Shura Ken

im sure you are comparing shin shura kenpachi! which i think its a mistake from the post owner.
it should be nozarashi kenpachi
author: efotia94    time: 2015-1-27 19:53:35

I did buy visored hirako tbh im feeling regret i guess hirako is worst vanguard ever for pvp and pve konamura so much better than hirako just one advice for -70 ppl dont buy hirako if you do you'll be regret like me btw my vote for shin shura kenpachi i didnt saw yet but i read the description with offensive stones im sure he will be  monster

p.s:sorry for bad eng
author: KrisKingOfLegend    time: 2015-1-27 19:54:22

chamsdar replied at 2015-1-27 18:43
where did you get that from! your stark is weak, doesn't mean everyone stark is weak.
havent you s ...

Every person that uses stark i can't beat 100% of the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

stark is just the worse person ever

i like my ichigo so much better


and how is god gear + level 9+ stones weak????



i perform better with my ichigo than stark

EDIT + i use hyroinmaru
author: chamsdar    time: 2015-1-27 19:59:16

every person?
you got me Absan 3rd top player in US.
and you got Wis from EU the only one who beat Izen in soul map! and only by using stark 1v1 he is able to win the first fight
your point is?
author: BurakCinar    time: 2015-1-27 20:06:16

chamsdar replied at 2015-1-27 18:59
every person?
you got me Absan 3rd top player in US.
and you got Wis from EU the only one who beat I ...

maybe he isnt vip 10 like you =)

so far all ive faced with starrk have sucked ass compared to ichigo (maybe a few op ones, but those had like 1,6m+pvp bp)
author: chamsdar    time: 2015-1-27 20:07:13

BurakCinar replied at 2015-1-27 19:06
maybe he isnt vip 10 like you =)

so far all ive faced with starrk have sucked ass compared to ic ...

i know for sure Wis stark can kill all my team alone lol
author: KrisKingOfLegend    time: 2015-1-27 20:09:59

chamsdar replied at 2015-1-27 18:59
every person?
you got me Absan 3rd top player in US.
and you got Wis from EU the only one who beat I ...

Ichigo did the same thing for me too -_-
author: chamsdar    time: 2015-1-27 20:10:57

KrisKingOfLegend replied at 2015-1-27 19:09
Ichigo did the same thing for me too -_-

you killed Izen in soul map?
author: KrisKingOfLegend    time: 2015-1-27 20:11:48

chamsdar replied at 2015-1-27 19:10
you killed Izen in soul map?

faster than their stark killed him
author: chamsdar    time: 2015-1-27 20:16:33

KrisKingOfLegend replied at 2015-1-27 19:11
faster than their stark killed him

its not an ego but if i kill azin i would be posting it
and its first time i see you, so im not sure who you are?
author: KrisKingOfLegend    time: 2015-1-27 20:16:52

chamsdar replied at 2015-1-27 19:16
its not an ego but if i kill azin i would be posting it
and its first time i see you, so im not su ...

I didn't want too, I'll PM you the reason [ don't tell anyone ]
author: BurakCinar    time: 2015-1-27 20:23:32

selene0818 replied at 2015-1-27 19:23
Oooo Kris has a secret!   
I so wanted Starrks but when Ken came out figured to work towards him...  ...

i have toshiro and working towards ken now.... hope he's as good as he looks
author: selene0818    time: 2015-1-27 20:23:44

Oooo Kris has a secret!   
I so wanted Starrks but when Ken came out figured to work towards him... everyone needs a goal right?
author: YagamiLi    time: 2015-1-27 20:24:43

chamsdar replied at 2015-1-27 19:16
its not an ego but if i kill azin i would be posting it
and its first time i see you, so im not su ...

he's talking poop and you're eating it '-'

I took the liberty of responding to this thread because I don't think you're #3 for US

#1 is undisputed champion BarrackObama

#2 and #3 can either be Jimmy1 US28 or Duffy614 US1

Theres also another guy built like WisHatake with speed of 208k + zangetsu buff during battle that's about 231k speed, with phys attack of 240k with zang buff.

His identity will remain hidden, but I think it's fair to say you are #5, your bp doesn't even rank in top 3 range.

So easily the previously mentioned players can just stack all their stones to make a partner like wis vg or stronger, theres no comparision there.
author: chamsdar    time: 2015-1-27 20:28:03

YagamiLi replied at 2015-1-27 19:24
he's talking poop and you're eating it '-'

I took the liberty of responding to this thread becaus ...

im glad that im not 3rd i guess but if its about speed i have more than 208K
if there was someone close to Wis in US we would know about him/her
author: selene0818    time: 2015-1-27 20:32:10

BurakCinar replied at 2015-1-27 19:23
i have toshiro and working towards ken now.... hope he's as good as he looks

I have 120 to get the first... then working on the upgrade.   Which will be like months later...
author: KrisKingOfLegend    time: 2015-1-27 20:33:40

chamsdar replied at 2015-1-27 19:28
im glad that im not 3rd i guess but if its about speed i have more than 208K
if there was someone  ...

i heard someone has arrancar gin at 245,000 speed and T1
author: chamsdar    time: 2015-1-27 20:34:38

KrisKingOfLegend replied at 2015-1-27 19:33
i heard someone has arrancar gin at 245,000 speed and T1

the fastest char in bleach to my knowledge is CSB azin but i might be wrong but if im right he will pass that speed easy
author: chamsdar    time: 2015-1-27 20:35:03

selene0818 replied at 2015-1-27 19:32
I have 120 to get the first... then working on the upgrade.   Which will be like months later...

im so close to kenpachi
author: KrisKingOfLegend    time: 2015-1-27 20:35:07

YagamiLi replied at 2015-1-27 19:24
he's talking poop and you're eating it '-'

I took the liberty of responding to this thread becaus ...

and how you do you know????????
EDIT: at the first line
author: BurakCinar    time: 2015-1-27 20:39:01

selene0818 replied at 2015-1-27 19:32
I have 120 to get the first... then working on the upgrade.   Which will be like months later...

wow ur so close.... lucky you !!!!
author: selene0818    time: 2015-1-27 20:41:54

chamsdar replied at 2015-1-27 19:35
im so close to kenpachi

If you get him before me ... you must post what he is like... though might take some time to lvl him up
author: KrisKingOfLegend    time: 2015-1-27 20:42:53

SPW Aizen all the way!!!!!
author: chamsdar    time: 2015-1-27 20:43:55

selene0818 replied at 2015-1-27 19:41
If you get him before me ... you must post what he is like... though might take some time to lvl h ...

i think ill get him after tomorrow i promise i will post him
author: selene0818    time: 2015-1-27 20:44:13

BurakCinar replied at 2015-1-27 19:39
wow ur so close.... lucky you !!!!

Not that close... depends if i remember to do it ever since they moved everything around I have a trndency to forget about it.
author: selene0818    time: 2015-1-27 20:45:39

chamsdar replied at 2015-1-27 19:43
i think ill get him after tomorrow i promise i will post him

Thank you!  Really excite to see if he is worth it!
author: BurakCinar    time: 2015-1-27 20:48:10

selene0818 replied at 2015-1-27 19:44
Not that close... depends if i remember to do it ever since they moved everything around I have a  ...

hey its less then a week if u remember... so jelly right now :<
author: chamsdar    time: 2015-1-27 20:49:48

selene0818 replied at 2015-1-27 19:45
Thank you!  Really excite to see if he is worth it!

i think the first one is not worth it, its the upgraded one that is worth it
author: selene0818    time: 2015-1-27 20:51:13

BurakCinar replied at 2015-1-27 19:48
hey its less then a week if u remember... so jelly right now :

Eww don't be jelly... totally the most disgusting stuff in the world!

Eh like I said we will see.... really busy since uni started back up
author: selene0818    time: 2015-1-27 20:52:30

chamsdar replied at 2015-1-27 19:49
i think the first one is not worth it, its the upgraded one that is worth it

But it is a start ... plus you can start working on him too... lvling and modding before the upgrade
author: chamsdar    time: 2015-1-27 20:55:57

selene0818 replied at 2015-1-27 19:52
But it is a start ... plus you can start working on him too... lvling and modding before the upgra ...

or find someone to give him/her my account lol jk
author: selene0818    time: 2015-1-27 20:57:38

chamsdar replied at 2015-1-27 19:55
or find someone to give him/her my account

Blah... no fun... like having a new toy and giving it away
author: chamsdar    time: 2015-1-27 21:00:29

selene0818 replied at 2015-1-27 19:57
Blah... no fun... like having a new toy and giving it away

the toy is very old and not getting enough update
author: BurakCinar    time: 2015-1-27 21:02:05

selene0818 replied at 2015-1-27 19:52
But it is a start ... plus you can start working on him too... lvling and modding before the upgra ...

can you save up the frags for the upgrade?
author: selene0818    time: 2015-1-27 21:03:30

chamsdar replied at 2015-1-27 20:00
the toy is very old and not getting enough update

Hmmm  true... but some of the ppl are worth it
author: chamsdar    time: 2015-1-27 21:05:00

selene0818 replied at 2015-1-27 20:03
Hmmm  true... but some of the ppl are worth it

i agree those 5% people are worth it
author: BurakCinar    time: 2015-1-27 21:05:52

selene0818 replied at 2015-1-27 19:52
But it is a start ... plus you can start working on him too... lvling and modding before the upgra ...

can you save up the frags for the upgrade?
author: selene0818    time: 2015-1-27 21:07:47

chamsdar replied at 2015-1-27 20:05
i agree those 5% people are worth it

Yes when they are not being total brats...lol
author: selene0818    time: 2015-1-27 21:08:55

BurakCinar replied at 2015-1-27 20:02
can you save up the frags for the upgrade?

The mod frags?  I thought or think the modding transfers when you upgrade
author: Evild4nte    time: 2015-1-27 21:23:57

Edited by Evild4nte at 2015-1-27 20:25

The first swp kenpachis should be available tomorrow. Curious to see, if he is that good.
Still need 500 points more then for aizen. Should be around 22 days.
author: BurakCinar    time: 2015-1-27 21:24:51

selene0818 replied at 2015-1-27 20:08
The mod frags?  I thought or think the modding transfers when you upgrade

oh nice! thanks for saying this
author: YagamiLi    time: 2015-1-27 21:35:31

Evild4nte replied at 2015-1-27 20:23
The first swp kenpachis should be available tomorrow. Curious to see, if he is that good.
Still nee ...

fury supress and void don't work for hollow soul, which is why CSB aizen might be better choice, and SWP kenpachi #1.
author: ajoalex    time: 2015-1-27 22:31:11

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these are the vanguards i have, and these are the stats when they wield the same gear/jades/everything.
author: KrisKingOfLegend    time: 2015-1-27 22:32:17

Toshiro [ greater than sign ] stark


imo
author: ajoalex    time: 2015-1-27 22:35:38

what does 100% immune rate do on a VG?
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-1-27 22:47:29

ajoalex replied at 2015-1-27 21:31
these are the vanguards i have, and these are the stats when they wield the same gear/jades/everyt ...

Kinda hard to judge any of that considering you are not running Hyorinmaru.
author: ajoalex    time: 2015-1-27 23:04:33

Aristeaus replied at 2015-1-28 07:47
Kinda hard to judge any of that considering you are not running Hyorinmaru.

i have a support fury generator formation team, hence no hyorinmaru. i will get him if i can for free from ubp else it would be zang always.
author: ajoalex    time: 2015-1-27 23:09:16

does events have advantage with certain vgs? like out of the three that i have is there something like starrk is best for gw, sajin best for seretei, toshiro best for ryoka after wave53 etc?
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-1-28 00:57:06

Evild4nte replied at 2015-1-27 23:57
In hollow sould the health recovery for the vanguard is really important i think, to let the vangu ...

CSB Aizen is outstanding at what he does. It is random, but it is team wide, plus a decent amount of damage as well. You probably still want to pair him with a garunteed controller, like Shini Urahara, so that you know at least one lane is covered, and you have a chance to blow out the rest of them.

He also has insanely high growth rates. Which is just awesome.
author: Evild4nte    time: 2015-1-28 00:57:14

YagamiLi replied at 2015-1-27 20:35
fury supress and void don't work for hollow soul, which is why CSB aizen might be better choice, a ...

In hollow sould the health recovery for the vanguard is really important i think, to let the vanguard live some rounds more. CSB Aizen could be great here but i think, normal aizen + gin will do their job too.
In general csb aizen looks a bit random with all his lowrates.
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-1-28 00:57:39

ajoalex replied at 2015-1-27 21:35
what does 100% immune rate do on a VG?

Immune rate is control prevention.
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-1-28 01:01:26

ajoalex replied at 2015-1-27 21:35
what does 100% immune rate do on a VG?

Immune rate is control prevention.
author: watman    time: 2015-1-28 01:53:38

Edited by watman at 2015-1-28 00:58

Immune rate is damage reduction.
The Level 80 Ult Relampago Set gives +4% Immune Rate.

If you had 100% immune rate, you'd take 0 dmg.
I don't know how you could possibly achieve that as very few things give aid rate / immunity rate; 100% immunity = invincible.
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-1-28 04:18:33

watman replied at 2015-1-28 00:53
Immune rate is damage reduction.
The Level 80 Ult Relampago Set gives +4% Immune Rate.

Half correct, half wrong.

I did some research. Immune rate in Unlimited Ninja is CC/Fury reduction prevention. There is another stat in UN that is called "Avoid Injury", which is what Immune rate here is. You can even see it in the Zanpakuto menu, as it says Avoid, but it increases Immunity.

What Avoid Injury does is it is a direct decrease to damage, but have 100% immune rate does not mean you take 0 damage. It counters the opponents %Damage rate. So if they have 150% Damage Rate, and you have 100% Immune rate, you take 50% of the damage. If they had 100%, you would take the minimum damage, but that is rather unlikely.

Hope that clears things up.
author: ajoalex    time: 2015-1-28 09:22:56

sajin 4 star has 30% immune rate, say if main becomes mugetsu then another 30%. lvl 100 ultimate gives 4%, say 3 diff sets of ultimate 100,110,120 so 4+5+6=16% (not sure how much 110, 120 gives but adding the minimal %), so that should be around 76%. any other source of getting immune rate?
author: PAOFUI    time: 2015-1-28 09:26:38


best VG now for me... i would say is Toshiro....

waitin to get SWP Ken n then will compare...

Stark have lived out his days... my Stark iis so TOFU...
author: watman    time: 2015-1-28 15:51:36

Aristeaus replied at 2015-1-28 03:18
Half correct, half wrong.

I did some research. Immune rate in Unlimited Ninja is CC/Fury reductio ...

Ahh, I didn't know that.
That's good to know, that the modify damage will calculate into the Immune Rate.

PAOFUI >>
Yeah, I can't wait to compare the two.
The extra damage of SWP Kenpachi will help in closing the gap from my laziness swapping formation for Ryoka, lol.
author: gr8nesh18    time: 2015-1-28 16:15:48

SWP kenpachi same animation like csb-ken, and dont have sound on it zzzzzzzz.
author: BurakCinar    time: 2015-1-28 16:42:14

i hope one day they will release modification for main and once u reach final mod ur main character gets a new look
author: Brahmastra    time: 2015-1-28 17:27:10

BurakCinar replied at 2015-1-28 15:42
i hope one day they will release modification for main and once u reach final mod ur main character  ...

That would be pretty awesome, or just CHEAP cosmetics.
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-1-28 17:33:38

ajoalex replied at 2015-1-28 08:22
sajin 4 star has 30% immune rate, say if main becomes mugetsu then another 30%. lvl 100 ultimate giv ...

Hyo-Kai Hyorinmaru gives 25%.

Sajin is great for tanking, but if you can get 75% immune rate, you probably want a offensive %*@# your @$&@ up kinda of VG, not a meat shield that does nothing.
author: gr8nesh18    time: 2015-1-28 18:40:52

immune rate only resist fury deduction not reduce damage receive, for example soul palace or dojo.
author: watman    time: 2015-1-28 18:48:34

gr8nesh18 replied at 2015-1-28 17:40
immune rate only resist fury deduction not reduce damage receive, for example soul palace or dojo.

I thought the only resist fury deduction came from Glove & Bangle Accessories?
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-1-28 20:15:34

gr8nesh18 replied at 2015-1-28 17:40
immune rate only resist fury deduction not reduce damage receive, for example soul palace or dojo.

That is not correct. Immune rate here is the same thing as Avoid Injury in unlimited ninja.

There is another stat called Immune rate in Unlimited ninja that does what you are describing, but that stat does not exist in this game.
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author: gr8nesh18    time: 2015-1-29 05:57:46

watman replied at 2015-1-28 17:48
I thought the only resist fury deduction came from Glove & Bangle Accessories?

accesories was only reduce fury reduction those immune resist any single fury deduction.
author: gr8nesh18    time: 2015-1-29 06:04:35

Aristeaus replied at 2015-1-28 19:15
That is not correct. Immune rate here is the same thing as Avoid Injury in unlimited ninja.

There ...

lol u still compare with other game if u think this unlimited ninja, if u think u were right go to dojo fight red partner try use haribel/gin there was immune 100%, or soul palace.
author: chamsdar    time: 2015-1-29 08:49:32

selene0818 replied at 2015-1-27 19:41
If you get him before me ... you must post what he is like... though might take some time to lvl h ...

as promised
http://forums.gogames.me/thread-9388-1-1.html
author: gr8nesh18    time: 2015-1-29 09:24:52

wew all partner T1 zzzzzzz
author: selene0818    time: 2015-1-29 18:35:00

chamsdar replied at 2015-1-29 07:49
as promised
http://forums.gogames.me/thread-9388-1-1.html

Thank you for posting!

He looks like he will be a lot of fun when done up =)
author: chamsdar    time: 2015-1-29 19:11:12

selene0818 replied at 2015-1-29 17:35
Thank you for posting!

He looks like he will be a lot of fun when done up =)

yes he will but i need Vang zanpk
author: chamsdar    time: 2015-1-29 19:11:39

gr8nesh18 replied at 2015-1-29 08:24
wew all partner T1 zzzzzzz

that is masaki
author: selene0818    time: 2015-1-29 19:15:30

chamsdar replied at 2015-1-29 18:11
yes he will  but i need Vang zanpk

Something to work towards???
author: chamsdar    time: 2015-1-29 19:31:54

selene0818 replied at 2015-1-29 18:15
Something to work towards???

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