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author: [email protected] time: 2017-10-31 08:16:44 Title: Need help to counter H.I + HitsuGAYa

One dud in CSB probably won in a lottery and stacked up quite scary team. In short: I need suggestion on how to make H.I not to one-shot my team?

Possibly in a cheap way.
Also would be great if somebody explained how:
1.) H.I's passive scale - does he reduce my def to 0% on round one or is it -25% every round until i get to 0%? If that Ichigo i faced is doing such dmg, how do people deal with stacked ones

2.) The most important - how does Hitsugaya skill work - sometime i can attack / sometime i cant do/get anything, not even regain HP from Unohana death.

I figured out that it has somenthing to do with being slower, so i manipulated with speed and won after ~10 tries thanks to lucky aid-rate and not being iced - yet i still do not know exactly how that ice work. Here's replay with my lucky win: http://mybankai.game.ggcorp.me/f ... d=58&t=1&lang=en_Eu But all my other tries it ended up like that: http://mybankai.game.ggcorp.me/f ... d=58&t=1&lang=en_Eu exept for older tries i wasnt even able to attack because of ice. I can't rely on perfect aid-rate all the time.

Thanks.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-10-31 11:45:03

Edited by MylarHyrule at 2017-10-31 11:47

the few ideas I've got that prob won't work as these are outdated partners and will be very hard to outspeed him...
Shin Isshin's void MIGHT be able to stop HIV IF you can outspeed him...  unlikely
Shini Kensei MIGHT be able to affect one/both IF you can outspeed them... unlikely
Rajin could probably outspeed Ichi but I'm unsure if he can be Chaosed, if he can, this could help you a TON

if he's put as much money in the account as you think he has, his Toshi will be VERY hard/impossible to outspeed for quite a while, and if he keeps pumping cash in the account like he has been, he's gonna get max stones/hogus/treasures/everything very soon makeing you have to get a faster partner than Shin Toshi...  I don't think that partner has been released yet...

But to put a long story short...  if he's put enough cash into the account, you may have to settle for second or a small rgn win rate...

author: SanekN time: 2017-10-31 12:38:15

the enemy does not have a partner with the invisibility ignore, Shinigami Kensei death mod will help. You can try Shinigami Yoruichi(from karakura fest) as a free option (1 round).

author: [email protected] time: 2017-10-31 13:29:05

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-10-31 11:45
the few ideas I've got that prob won't work as these are outdated partners and will be very hard to ...

Will Kensei's death invincibility trigger after Hitsugaya ice debuff? It could help, but only if it work at all because Unahana death heal doesnt trigger after it.

author: [email protected] time: 2017-10-31 13:30:48

SanekN replied at 2017-10-31 12:38
the enemy does not have a partner with the invisibility ignore, Shinigami Kensei death mod will help ...

Wops, my prevous reply were to you. Will Kensei's death skill trigger after Hitsugaya's frost debuff?

author: SanekN time: 2017-10-31 13:59:18

Death mod from zankpakto can be activated in my opinion

author: trojandrew time: 2017-10-31 14:30:10

Unohana death skill works but toshiros ice prevents healing so you just don't get the heal

author: Malshun time: 2017-10-31 16:19:30

trojandrew replied at 2017-10-31 11:30
Unohana death skill works but toshiros ice prevents healing so you just don't get the heal

It's actually toshiro's mod for laceration.

author: mayuri1177 time: 2017-10-31 17:14:07

Chaos and Invincibility are his biggest weaknesses. If you can chaos him, he will probably wipe his whole team, since his talent makes his normal attack his special. He can't hit through invincibility.

author: trojandrew time: 2017-10-31 19:11:51

Malshun replied at 2017-10-31 16:19
It's actually toshiro's mod for laceration.

i knwo, i was just meaning that its not stopping the death mod, hes just making it so the heals are useless

author: badbone time: 2017-11-1 07:29:23

U can't beat him

author: [email protected] time: 2017-11-1 13:17:29

Edited by [email protected] at 2017-11-1 14:24

mayuri1177 replied at 2017-10-31 17:14
Chaos and Invincibility are his biggest weaknesses. If you can chaos him, he will probably wipe his ...

Didn't knew that he can nuke his own team with his skill

So buying Raijin + Kensei's death skill (i have him) is cheapest way to beat him in a 1-3-1 formation?

author: [email protected] time: 2017-11-1 13:19:25

trojandrew replied at 2017-10-31 14:30
Unohana death skill works but toshiros ice prevents healing so you just don't get the heal

Ah, but i still dont get how it work properly. If you watch my replay where i beat him, my Uno heal worked for some reason. I think it has somenthing to do with speed.

author: trojandrew time: 2017-11-1 16:24:04

[email protected] replied at 2017-11-1 13:19
Ah, but i still dont get how it work properly. If you watch my replay where i beat him, my Uno hea ...

b/c when you won he didnt freeze you until after you went so you had your rj defense. when he beats you he froze you from the start. when he freezes you thats when the laceration happens for you to not get heals

author: [email protected] time: 2017-11-1 17:34:50

Edited by [email protected] at 2017-11-1 17:36

trojandrew replied at 2017-11-1 16:24
b/c when you won he didnt freeze you until after you went so you had your rj defense. when he beat ...

Actually he froze me from the start. I noted today that freeze+laceration effect seem to disappear when his Jugram attack before RJ is triggered. Only silence is left. Tried to use Kirinji this time, but it seem that Jugram's shield prevert the chaos effect. Need few more days until i can unlock Kensei's invincibility mod, i think he should help me quite a loot.

author: DABDABDABDAB time: 2017-11-2 18:11:03

[email protected] replied at 2017-11-1 17:34
Actually he froze me from the start. I noted today that freeze+laceration effect seem to disappear ...

Just wanted to say raijin chaos won't work, seems like people didn't know Hasch clears chaos with his skill? lol
If you want raijin to work you'll have to find a way to not make hasch skill (he's immune pretty much to everything except freeze).
I think the best way to defeat him would be with Toshiro + Raijin (Your toshiro would have to outspeed his toshiro and raijin will just have to be faster than his hell ichigo, that would also allow your ichibe to skill giving your team an extra 200% phy def just in case raijin chaos doesn't get hell ichigo).
I know it's quite expensive but for christmas maybe you can get some good deal. (Shinigami kensei death mod could also be a good idea but you'd need to put him basically naked in your formation in order to let him die when his toshiro attacks since toshiro has suck weak attack).
And i suggest you to stop trying to survive him unless you can get Hasch (I'm Hayase Masako from your realm) i tried to let his hell ichigo attack me to see what would happen and when i had Katen on, only Muken managed to survive because his def was higher than kukaku's (kukaku has 1m, muken has 720k + 50% halo from hasch) and i was really impressed he did 15m damage to a kukaku with 1m def even tho he's not really stacked.
When i tried to do the same thing with RJ he did 15 damage pretty much to everyone so that's the reason i suggested you to also get hasch (So your muken has 200% extra def in total, your muken wouldn't even have to attack in that situation to kill him, since he'd just die in a couple of rounds from burn + mutilate).

author: [email protected] time: 2017-11-3 14:52:40

DABDABDABDAB replied at 2017-11-2 18:11
Just wanted to say raijin chaos won't work, seems like people didn't know Hasch clears chaos with ...

Damn, your the reason they changed void defence

Yeah i noticed that chaos wont help against his set-up. But there's tons of ways to counter him, it just lies in how expensive it will be. I can afford Raijin since she's 30k, even ~20-25k in some special events. I have 11k gold right now so i could grab her for just ~6k top-up during right events. Toshiro is still at 40k - its a bit to much imo, i dont wana top-up huge amounts until they add new content to the game.

Im using Ichibe mainly because he's a huge HP source which helps in VG vs VG situations and his 30% heal buff to Muken is also nice. His 1 round 200% def buff overwrite RJ's 2 round 150% buff, since he is slowest it doesnt change much. But all that does not matter against H.Ichigo, if i understod it right he drop all defence to 0% from the start (http://bleach-online-user.wikia.com/wiki/Hell_Verse_Ichigo) check his last mod. So even if i had 2m def he would still deal full damage. imo he's most broken nuker in game right now.

Im gona try to counter him with Kensei's 2 round invincibility death mod soon, i think it sould give my Aizen enough time to finish him. Gladly he is not that stacked yet. Perhaps i get B.Sunsui in the future if they dont realease some other partners.

author: DABDABDABDAB time: 2017-11-4 06:16:38

[email protected] replied at 2017-11-3 14:52
Damn, your the reason they changed void defence

Yeah i noticed that chaos wont help agains ...

In the event he got all his team, all he did was top up 30k gold, he got hell ichigo "for free", and with the rest of the gold he was able to get probably some lvl 140 set/lvl 140 special accessories + all the partners he has now, i think the event name was october festival? Really good event to top up(toshiro was around 20k gold there), but christmas should be even better.
Also his last mod starts working from 2nd round, decreasing your def by 25% every round (it stacks so from 25% goes to 50% on third round etc..)and as i told you when i used RJ he did 15 damage even to my main (that had 650k p.def + 150% from RJ and 50% form hasch halo)
And pretty much every muken aizen user is the reason they increased def in void lol, they're even thinking to fix halos, just go check Ichigo's halo in today's void

author: desintegra time: 2017-11-4 16:03:59

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdXx1OPcmWo
everything is simple) btw that guy's power is 4mil higher than mine )

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