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author: daveedri1 time: 2018-1-11 06:59:14 Title: question

who is the bset assaulter you can get in the game?

author: rambo1998123 time: 2018-1-11 07:34:41

Muken f2p, hvi + kokuto imo

author: Namelesslee time: 2018-1-11 07:44:35

rambo1998123 replied at 2018-1-11 07:34
Muken f2p, hvi + kokuto imo

Kokuto is a supp not assaulter, Banki Yama is very good

author: rihanftw time: 2018-1-11 08:05:09

Best assaulters : HVI and Muken (f2p)
HVI shines the best if pared with Kokuto

author: Potdenutella time: 2018-1-11 08:16:34

Kaien Shiba from the purple tavern is the best assaulter, don't get me wrong, his talent gives 50% DMG and, if well builded, can crits in void.

author: adnane.bek time: 2018-1-11 12:56:40

early n free : shiba/ikkaku/byakuya/kenpachi

patience and free : white ichigo/ muken

low n mid spenders vip / ishin i'd say

High spenders n vip / Hells verse

author: daveedri1 time: 2018-1-12 03:09:44

and what is the best event to get hell verse ichigo?

author: rambo1998123 time: 2018-1-12 03:12:59

Namelesslee replied at 2018-1-11 13:44
Kokuto is a supp not assaulter, Banki Yama is very good

I meant it as a combo, kokuto & hvi together

author: Kenpachi456456 time: 2018-1-12 05:40:57

About Bankai yama + Shin daiguren + Ruijin?

author: rambo1998123 time: 2018-1-12 05:48:31

Kenpachi456456 replied at 2018-1-12 11:40
About Bankai yama + Shin daiguren + Ruijin?

bakayama isnt near the lvl of hvi and muken.

author: Kenpachi456456 time: 2018-1-12 06:11:41

Even with boost shin and ruijin

author: rambo1998123 time: 2018-1-12 06:33:39

Kenpachi456456 replied at 2018-1-12 12:11
Even with boost shin and ruijin

He will hit hard, but he doesnt have a broken mod like hvi or muken.

author: Kenpachi456456 time: 2018-1-12 06:39:37

Edited by Kenpachi456456 at 2018-1-12 06:40

Ok, thanks for explain

So between HVI+Kokuto and Muken

And if we don't have kokuto HVI are good to?

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-1-12 11:14:23

rambo1998123 replied at 2018-1-12 05:48
bakayama isnt near the lvl of hvi and muken.

Hiki can shut down HIV....... anyone that costs 40k gold + that can get stopped by a 12k partner that was given free at one point is useless for most cases IMO...

maybe it is because I'm rocking Muken, but I'm nerffing down my PVE to keep my rewards up and Muken is really most of my PVE... spend the cash on someone that you will keep using

author: rambo1998123 time: 2018-1-12 11:21:28

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-1-12 17:14
Hiki can shut down HIV....... anyone that costs 40k gold + that can get stopped by a 12k partner ...

As I said hvi + kokuto is strong, I don't see a hiki out
speeding/skilling against a kokuto.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-1-12 11:41:30

rambo1998123 replied at 2018-1-12 11:21
As I said hvi + kokuto is strong, I don't see a hiki out
speeding/skilling against a kokuto.

that makes it about a 80,000 gold option... and for 80,000 gold, it's a weak combo IMO... B Toshi + B Yama will probably perform better in most cases.... plus B Yama gets mad bonus from RJ

author: rambo1998123 time: 2018-1-12 11:51:45

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-1-12 17:41
that makes it about a 80,000 gold option... and for 80,000 gold, it's a weak combo IMO... B T ...

Maybe they will perform better in pvp if yama will hit hard enough to kill the enemy 1st turn. Then again unless you have some mad fury stones, tosh won't even skill cuz of kokuto, and Hvi will outspeed bakayama in most cases. Pve wise you can't compare bakayama with hvi or muken, they will out damage him easily.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-1-12 12:13:27

rambo1998123 replied at 2018-1-12 11:51
Maybe they will perform better in pvp if yama will hit hard enough to kill the enemy 1st turn. The ...

yes...  let me slow down and try again (just stating my opinion, not attacking yours FYI)

Kokuko is faster than B Toshi I believe, yes, however not that much faster...  unless your foes are fully maxed (most are not) you can for sure outspeed Kokuko with B Toshi, (plus if you throw in a speed halo or two...)

Yama will NOT out perform HIV in PVE, yes, you are right, however once you get Muken, you won't be using HIV in PVE anyway as Muken can easily push your ES damage past 30% (the max reward) by himself, making HIV a waste there...

in my case at least (and most from my understanding) that should get you enough power to one shot kill till the end of Ryoka as most servers aren't getting past the 70s and 80s in there due to not enough hard hitting actives in most servers to get further in time, making HIV a wash there too...

in PVP, Hikifune is easy to get, is only slightly slower, and can shut down HVI if he can't outspeed her or have someone else to shut her down first...  that's disappointing IMO...  plus there are other ways to deal with him there too, just Hiki is the most common I see...

in Void, yeah, I can see him doing very well, but again, once you pick up Muken, unless you are heavily invested in the game you will probably have your best stuff on Muken and HIV will have the secondary set, making him weaker again...

He's not a bad partner by any stretch of the word, and for sure has his places, but especially in his price range, he has some serious flaws in my opinion

author: easymoney2906 time: 2018-1-12 12:31:37

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-1-12 12:13
yes... let me slow down and try again (just stating my opinion, not attacking yours FYI)

Kokuko ...

Bankai Toshiro is faster then Kokuto,but Bankai Toshiro isn't immune to furry deduct. Kokuto shuts down any partner in game who isn't immune to furry deduct with his 3rd modify. His modify triggers when zanpakto attacks him so partners without immune to furry deduct modify won't skill even if they are faster then him.

author: Kenpachi456456 time: 2018-1-12 12:43:25

Edited by Kenpachi456456 at 2018-1-12 12:52

Toshiro +10% speed +15% speed and -10% speed ennemy 8500 agility 7

kokuto +28% speed 8000 agility 7

So yes toshiro faster than kokuto easily

For fury deduct -30 Toshiro with evo +15 fury with enchant +8 fury so he start without stone with 43 so you need 57 more fury or 114% fury egal 3x level 9 + 3x level 10

I think late player can have this stone fury

So your muken can Attack once and +40% damage on muken i think it's WOW

But you can take same with Muken, HVI, Bankai yama

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-1-12 13:00:20

easymoney2906 replied at 2018-1-12 12:31
Bankai Toshiro is faster then Kokuto,but Bankai Toshiro isn't immune to furry deduct. Kokuto shuts ...

so when MY zanpacto goes off, his modify activates?

oh well, plenty of partners with immune to fury deduct

author: rambo1998123 time: 2018-1-12 13:05:43

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-1-12 19:00
so when MY zanpacto goes off, his modify activates?

oh well, plenty of partners with immune to fu ...

Only orange sup right now with fury deduct immune is hasch, others don't have a chance against kokuto speed. But ye at least ur making Xallog proud defending bakayama

author: Xallog time: 2018-1-12 13:10:30

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author: easymoney2906 time: 2018-1-12 13:14:55

Edited by easymoney2906 at 2018-1-12 13:22

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-1-12 13:00
so when MY zanpacto goes off, his modify activates?

oh well, plenty of partners with immune to fu ...

Yup it works that way. There are some red ones and haschwalt, but they need to survive his attack (200%) growth rate. And even if they survive it he can still mutilate them and stun them if they don't have immune to stun modify, hash can counter him tho.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-1-12 15:32:33

rambo1998123 replied at 2018-1-12 13:05
Only orange sup right now with fury deduct immune is hasch, others don't have a chance against kok ...

baka yama is not worth his price IMO, however vs HIV, I find yama slightly more practical in most cases sadly

author: daveedri1 time: 2018-1-12 15:59:05

so bankai yama and hell verse ichigo are the best ones?
my formation is haschwalt shin isshin kirinji (until i get a good assaulter) and toshiro the vanguard

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-1-12 16:54:45

daveedri1 replied at 2018-1-12 15:59
so bankai yama and hell verse ichigo are the best ones?
my formation is haschwalt shin isshin kirinj ...

being you have hasch, pick up Yhwach, you get nice bonus on him, he is fast AF, and you can rent him to own... plus if you pick up Rajin Yourichi in the future, he gets another boost from her too
this is my opinion however and some guys will tell you I'm wrong on this one, lol

author: [email protected] time: 2018-1-12 17:49:47

Edited by [email protected] at 2018-1-12 17:10

i have 5.2k gold atm an still owe 4,160 gold till i own Shin Isshin should i buy him to replace Bya(RED Tavern) or save my gold.
My team is Koma,Bya,MC,Shunsui(5lvls till exl) and Kisuke > Zan is Jizo.after giving shunsui 5lvls then inherit bya can give shin isshin exl lvl 37

author: [email protected] time: 2018-1-15 01:23:41

nice i like everyones opinions

author: jimmycricketwin5298 time: 2018-1-15 01:52:37

Tbh, I'd rather go with D.Toshiro with HIV than the Kokuto+HIV combo. Yeah you get that extra damage from Kokuto mod, but the extra damage from attacking frozen enemies, while it may be less, is still viable. What is the deciding factor for me is the silence that Toshiro gives sometimes. This easily shuts down Muken if it lands on him, or the freeze prevents him from attacking if your HIV is slower than the enemy Muken. PvE wise, I'd say the Toshiro combo is only slightly less effective.

author: DeEmEn time: 2018-1-15 02:35:54

Edited by DeEmEn at 2018-1-15 00:44

jimmycricketwin5298 replied at 2018-1-14 23:52
Tbh, I'd rather go with D.Toshiro with HIV than the Kokuto+HIV combo. Yeah you get that extra damage ...

You forgot 1 point... KS. I will just leave it there.
Kokuto + HVI combo is nice, like having 2 Muken on the team but faster.

author: itsme8805 time: 2018-1-15 08:26:37

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-1-12 16:54
being you have hasch, pick up Yhwach, you get nice bonus on him, he is fast AF, and you can rent hi ...

i strongly disagree with you if you are looking in the long terms than yhwach is the worst choice + you were talking about the price and yhwach's haven't getting down from 40k in so long so IMO he is not worth the price at all ether b'yama or HVI hands down especially if you are going around that price

author: itsme8805 time: 2018-1-15 08:30:44

DeEmEn replied at 2018-1-15 02:35
You forgot 1 point... KS. I will just leave it there.
Kokuto + HVI combo is nice, like having 2 Muk ...

speaking of that i got beaten by her in my CSB #1CSB is gone tell i get her too

edit : he was the firs one to get her in my CSB

author: rambo1998123 time: 2018-1-15 08:44:02

itsme8805 replied at 2018-1-15 14:30
speaking of that i got beaten by her in my CSB #1CSB is gone tell i get her too

edit : he was th ...

Oh didnt even notice him getting KS

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-1-15 09:51:41

itsme8805 replied at 2018-1-15 08:26
i strongly disagree with you if you are looking in the long terms than yhwach is the worst choice ...

if you have the cash up front, yes, 100%, you are right, however, if you work it right, you can pick up Yhwach, 2 to 3x tier 12 hogus and level 120 ultimate sets(visored revenge), plus a boat load of other stuff with smaller top ups, and spending over time... plus you can get Yhwach at your level, which can be a big deal as well...

author: easymoney2906 time: 2018-1-15 10:36:48

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-1-15 09:51
if you have the cash up front, yes, 100%, you are right, however, if you work it right, you can pi ...

40k is too much for outdated partner no matter what way you spend it to get him. As for lvl you can always inherit partners for exp. books if you are reinc or spend silver in tavren for epic scrolls. Getting Yhwach in current meta is stupid move. You have Muken Aizen for free and for 40k you can get HIV or B. Yamma. All 3 of them outclass Yhwach in offense and defense.

author: [email protected] time: 2018-1-15 10:41:10

Just my opinion:

Let's say you use Raijin + Yhwach (70k gold), and assuming that Raijin chaos Bankai Yama, Yhwach may have the chance to skill. Like Mylar said, just give the best to Yhwach.

author: itsme8805 time: 2018-1-15 10:58:36

[email protected] replied at 2018-1-15 10:41
Just my opinion:

Let's say you use Raijin + Yhwach (70k gold), and assuming that Raijin chaos Banka ...

but lets be real tho is it worth it tho?

buying an outdated partner in the same price as the meta ones

author: [email protected] time: 2018-1-15 11:35:17

itsme8805 replied at 2018-1-15 23:58
but lets be real tho is it worth it tho?

buying an outdated partner in the same price as the meta ...

Well, that's for someone who wants to use 1-3-1 setup with muken and KS, just maybe.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-1-15 11:53:41

Edited by MylarHyrule at 2018-1-15 11:56

easymoney2906 replied at 2018-1-15 10:36
40k is too much for outdated partner no matter what way you spend it to get him. As for lvl you can ...

yes, Yhwach is outdated and too much currently, however some people can't top up all at once... In my opinion, he's a valid option and still a very good assaulter... plus being rajin is easy to get the same way, and hasch is still the golden boy, those are also feathers in his cap IMO
plus, basicly any assaulter you pick up these days are just holding a spot for Muken, and being that HVI and b yama are both better than Yhwach at what they do, Yhwach still does very good at both PVE and PVP (hard AOE, status effector, and immune to invurln), and if I needed him for more than just Void, I wouldn't hesitate to pick him up if I couldn't afford buy him outright

author: tmj1sekzlcc67vj time: 2018-1-15 12:56:32

Our god Iziru. Nothing will ever beat him

author: DeEmEn time: 2018-1-15 20:03:20

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-1-15 09:53
yes, Yhwach is outdated and too much currently, however some people can't top up all at once... In ...

you know you can combine both Hasch and Raijin both have mod for Yhwach, they can combine?

or I hope they can.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2018-1-16 08:34:27

DeEmEn replied at 2018-1-15 20:03
you know you can combine both Hasch and Raijin both have mod for Yhwach, they can combine? or I ...

you *should* be able to

author: DeEmEn time: 2018-1-16 19:44:01

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-1-16 06:34
you *should* be able to

lol should

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