HIV vs. Muken

theunknown404

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y54iqn6NnVo

Even Aizen isn't completely immune to sexually transmitted diseases.

Putting the invincibility issues aside, I figured this would be a good discussion to have on the forums since I think the last two supporters the developers released have made Hell Verse Ichigo a lot more appealing. My video is not the best demonstration, but I can tell you using Muken in some of these fights would take more than one round to finish other Mukens. HVI instead rips through everyone like tissue paper when he can hit, sometimes before RJ can activate (sometimes after). I should probably post an additional video link using Muken in the place of HVI to show any difference tbh. This could of course end up differently if there were more defense halos on the enemy side, but I could also add more halos and tank more hits.

Using Blood War Byakuya and Kyoka, you could probably potentially outspeed an entire RJ team with HVI while it would be a little bit harder to do with Muken. Also, in the context of Blood War Byakuya's abilities, HVI's blocks are 300% damage, he lowers enemy block, and you can replace some of his mods for more break defense, block, damage rate, or crit rate if you're not going to use his exclusive skill in PvP. He also does a lot more damage in Void Region than most people probably realize.

His lack of ignoring the empty cicada (invincibility) is probably a necessary balancing point when he has a 50% chance of clearing any control effect whenever he is attacked. He also can be mutilated, but if the fights end this quickly, then it may not be a problem most of the time. The fights will have to end quickly with the assaulters' 7th mods.

In the worst case of the invincibility problem, where you have have a Shinigami Kensei death skill or Bankai Shunsui giving invincibility, you can either 1) Let HVI attack first, 2) replace with Muken, or 3) have both Muken and HVI in formation. Muken still slows down the enemy team with his speed reduction halo AND it counters Bankai Shunsui's skill and death skill to have two assaulters in formation. In the case of Shinigami Kensei being sacrificed off the bat, that just means the enemy team has one less slot for a partner that could have helped with survivability, speed, or damage, making them weaker.

But one of the major reason for sticking with Muken is of course that he's practically free under the right conditions and he additionally does not require a specific supporter to be good. Any supporter that buffs him will do.

I would at least like to take this moment to entertain the possibility that we won't have to be stuck in the world of Muken being the only good assaulter forever. The game is overrun by Muken, and I find that lack of variety extremely boring.

Thoughts, opinions, concerns, rants, experiences, Ganju ss?

Asian123

I used to love having my Noza but then I got Muken and everything got boring.
They've made the game something that either ends in 1 round or never does.
Muken and HVI ofc people prefer not spending for a partner but HVI really is the better contender due to his special abilities and way higher speed compared to Muken (in my opinion).
Muken could survive under conditions that are meant to destroy him though, and HVI I don't suppose as much(even with the shield and the block, i.e. mutilate or stuff like that).

theunknown404

Asian123 replied at 2018-2-17 23:51
I used to love having my Noza but then I got Muken and everything got boring.
They've made the game  ...

While his HP may be a few million lower when boosted, HVI still has higher physical defense than Muken at the same level due to his Strength talent being higher than Muken and HVI will always be able to heal himself or be healed by others due to being immune to laceration (unless you have a skill like pedobait yachiru) and it's not limited to when his health goes below a certain percentage. It always happens as long as he attacks. His own heal isn't that bad either since it's based on the damage he can deliver.


Just make sure you don't get hit by any Kokuto skill attacks.

Potdenutella

Did someone say... EMPTY CICADA ??!
BECAUSE I FUCKING LOVE COLLECTING THEM
and crush them afterward


Was it a reference to my unstacked assaulter plowing through all the annoying stacked weakass hikis ? Whatever.

Asian123

theunknown404 replied at 2018-2-18 06:11
While his HP may be a few million lower when boosted, HVI still has higher physical defense than M ...

I see.
So Muken is superior in terms of Mutilate and HP, but not overall survival.
You can just give Muken the Red Enchant though, as you know, thereby clearing that problem, except for the Laceration yeah...
I personally would prefer HVI, except he costs money xD

Asian123

Potdenutella replied at 2018-2-18 06:33
Did someone say... EMPTY CICADA ??!
BECAUSE I FUCKING LOVE COLLECTING THEM
and crush them afterward

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ohmyvenus

u shouldn't make the video man, HVI is the best now, everyone will buy him bcos of u and i will go to hell

badbone

Yea those 2 made him stronger but maxed muken
with soul power and hash + miracle and kokuto plus Rj buff
makes muken immortal hvi is easy to counter.
The soul power on Muken is op -70% dmg and if he skill in second round its over but maybe this block now can make a change

alchimiste

badbone replied at 2018-2-18 02:32
Yea those 2 made him stronger but maxed muken
with soul power and hash + miracle and kokuto plus Rj  ...

a maxed muken vs a maxed HVI with kokuto for those 2 .... HVI win ez i beat guys with 7m bp more than me only with the 1st attack of hvi so ..... and they got muken
now its up to u

badbone

alchimiste replied at 2018-2-18 08:17
a maxed muken vs a maxed HVI with kokuto for those 2 .... HVI win ez i beat guys with 7m bp more t ...

Maybe cuz Hayase or how was his nickname isn't registering full power + I know his Muken doesn't have soul power reincarnation thats a big deal