tavern gin vs csb aizen

ajoalex

Gin talent - increase AGI by certain percentage, has 5% avoid injury rate
skill - attack enemy assaulters, growth rate 120%, decrease enemy fury by 50 points, high chance of controlling enemy for 3 rounds, control success rate affected by level difference


CSB Aizen
talent - increase AGI by a higher percentage, has 10% avoid injury rate and 5% combo rate
skill - attack all enemies, growth rate 120%, chance of decreasing enemy fury by 10 points and stun for 3 rounds, stun rate is affected by level difference


Ok, so i keep hearing that CSB Aizen is an endgame character and similar other statements. I want to start this thread just to get more explanation on these two partners.

Tavern Gin is my best partner in my formation especially because of his fury deduction which is not a chance basis, hence he WILL deduct fury. The bonus is that he may stun them too. This is why I can't remove him from my team and his mods are also doable and they add to the reason of still keeping him in my formation.

Now CSB partners, i have 3900 challenge stones and am saving it up to get a partner. I would like to know more about this CSB aizen and if he is actually a replaceable to this tavern gin.
attack all enemies - this is certain so but not something i would like to replace my gin with for.

chance of decreasing enemy fury by 10 points and stun for 3 rounds - Now this is what i really want to know especially since there are translation issues elsewhere so if someone could help me with the actual details of how this works. does it read  
1) (chance of decreasing enemy fury by 10 points) and (stun for 3 rounds)
or
2) chance of (decreasing enemy fury by 10 points and stun for 3 rounds)


If 1) then yes obviously its a replacement for gin
If 2) then does it mean that this chance is a round based action or a player based action? ie
-when he does his skill is there a certainity that fury will be deducted from some random player and some other player will be stunned?
or
-when he does his skill is there a chance that he might not do the two at all?

in any case, how is he better than the tavern gin.
my formation is a 2-2-1, which has kisuke to give T1 fury to the rest, gin goes next and reduces fury of assaulters , main does his 10th skill, and then there is my shini.yorui and VG which i am still levelling up. So far i am losing to only a significantly higher lvl player in csb who has T1 fury on his main which destroys my support lane. And i am not thinking to defeat that guy cos basically he is just way too stronger. But yes if this csb aizen can't replace my tavern gin then i would like to go for csb kenpachi to replace shini.yorui in my ES/ryoka.

Thanks

PAOFUI

ajoalex replied at 2015-2-5 22:55
thats like 6 days in csb for you right

yeah u got tht rite...

i wonder when will the next CSB season starts.. n i think by tht time... i would also hav my

SWP Ken... i think about the same time i ll get them both...

ajoalex

Aristeaus replied at 2015-2-6 08:59
Why? It increases the VG attack, not fury. But it also casts Chaos on the VG, which makes it attac ...

sorry typo, yeah. though most of the vgs are not offensive but still that is one hell of a combo swp aizen has. it will be aizen vs aizen and the fastest one to win endgame

ajoalex

Aristeaus replied at 2015-2-6 08:43
Truth is it doesn't matter.

CSB Aizen will not take the place of someone like Gin. He falls into th ...

true, csb aizen fits a 3-1-1 with gin, but that would break my ES/ryoka formation strategy swapping, hence yeah he doesn't fit my team as of now. thanks

btw, i hope thats a translation error in swp aizen where it says it increases opp vg fury by 100%

Aristeaus

ajoalex replied at 2015-2-5 23:00
true, csb aizen fits a 3-1-1 with gin, but that would break my ES/ryoka formation strategy swappin ...

Why? It increases the VG attack, not fury. But it also casts Chaos on the VG, which makes it attack its own team during that buff.

ajoalex

PAOFUI replied at 2015-2-6 08:00
500 more... hics...

thats like 6 days in csb for you right

Aristeaus

Truth is it doesn't matter.

CSB Aizen will not take the place of someone like Gin. He falls into the same category as Nel, being that it is a extremely powerful possibly game winning ability. You want to pair him with at least one other controller, exactly like Nel. He is also incredibly similar to Shinso Gin in this regard. Shinso Gin adds fury and is a bit weaker, where as Aizen hits harder and possibly deducts fury. Just like with nel, you still use a controller with Shinso Gin.

That being said, it is hard to place him in a team. Garunteed control is infinitely more valuable then possible, even if it is 3 turns of stun. I could see Shinso Gin + CSB Aizen in a 2-2-1 formation, but that heavily limits your Zanpakuto selection to maximize effectiveness. I could also see CSB Aizen in almost any 3-1-1 formation. I don't think he really works in a 2-2-1 without Shinso Gin, or a 1-3-1 formation.

He is a tough cookie to crack. I would prefer SWP Aizen in most situations I can formulate in my head, and Shinso Gin is obviously better.

PAOFUI

ajoalex replied at 2015-2-5 21:53
cool, how many more stones for you to reach aizen?

true about the gin part

500 more... hics...

ajoalex

PAOFUI replied at 2015-2-5 22:56
i ll test it out when i get him... then let u guys know ...

well to counter opponent T1 Main

cool, how many more stones for you to reach aizen?

true about the gin part

PAOFUI

i ll test it out when i get him... then let u guys know ...

well to counter opponent T1 Main

u got to hav a support like Gin to debuff n stun him ...

if u get to debuff him then u ll probably get the chance to win...

like how i did it wit my Gin...