Ywach Theorycrafting

Aristeaus

I am starting to think Ywach might actually be worth his pricetag. Assuming you can get him in another event with mods for points ( Probably Anniversary/Christmas ), that is. If he shows up in Ultimate Charge for 60k, then he is absolutely worth it.
A fully stacked Ywach would be a nightmare. Health regain that is out of this world, great defensive growth rates, Senbon for increased Defense, pretty much impossible to CC, and once he gets ignore Invulnerability, you have to kill him Turn 1 BEFORE he attacks. Putting him to 40%, and then letting him attack, won't be enough as he will just heal out of your kill range. Stack Immune on him for added tankiness. Isn't like he is lacking damage.

You can even run Tavern Unohana with him for her on death mod to help ensure he gets to his attack. He is a absurdly good VG killer, with his damage and heal ability.

I suppose the question would be what type of team would you run Ywach with.

Zanpakuto: Senbonzakura

Ichibei ( Defense and heals )
Ywach ( Stacked )
Main
Tavern Unohana ( Because why not )
Tavern Aizen ( Would be interested to see if his T5 Mod works through Invincibility, since it isn't a attack or debuff ).

I_MIKE_I

Aristeaus replied at 2015-12-9 00:24
His shield lasts more then a turn. It clears debuffs and prevents debuffs from effecting him. So ev ...

Well, I guess we'll see his price in the future, but for 60k at thanksgiving which gave 60k points to buy the other partners, I can't see him being priced 60k in events like turntable, anniversary etc. at least not in the long run.

He's also just competing with the 12k Reds, not dominating them, like they do say... shinso gin who was previously one of the most interesting sup.

To beat the 12k sups, you'd need FAR better stones/equip, which in turn means you'd also dominate the other guy using the same partners.

And I still have trouble thinking how well the other chars may hold up if you stack on Yhwach.

How would 60k in Ultimate charge guarantee 1st Place if it's for Yhwach? I mean... who says the guy you desperately trying to beat with this isn't just gonna troll you and do the same (unless he already has Yhwach)?

At the bottom line, Yhwach does not decide how the Battle goes, because he's slower than Hikifune/Oetsu and has no Fury Deduction resist. This also means that (if you have it) your Ichibe isn't T1, while your opponent can enjoy a 200% def buff on Assault+Sup.

theunknown404

I_MIKE_I replied at 2015-12-8 23:40
His Shield is quite a mystery to me, the discription got changed quite a lot iirc.

However, the bo ...

This is why I was hoping Senjumaru or whatever partner they come out with next would offer fury deduction immunity. Then you have a bunch of counters for everything. The only thing we can't counter as of yet is the fury deduction.

Aristeaus

I_MIKE_I replied at 2015-12-8 23:40
His Shield is quite a mystery to me, the discription got changed quite a lot iirc.

However, the bo ...

His shield lasts more then a turn. It clears debuffs and prevents debuffs from effecting him. So even if he were say stunned, each attack has a chance of raising shields, unstunning him.

Now, 4.2 Widsom is plenty. He has really high growth rate on stamina, and the current meta is low % skill damage dealers. Having 50% Immune is not unrealistic, combined with stacked wisdom/str/stam/counter, it would be difficult for the supports to deal with him before he attacks. Once he attacks ( which would be before the opponents assaulters, as he is the fastest assaulter in the game ), he will regain 30% of his maximum HP, in addition to any other heal effects ( such as vampirism or revive ).

Assaulters that aren't Kido mains, are not likely to damage him a bunch, as his physical defense is going to be naturally through the roof + Senbonzakura's buff.

You still have your VG, so eating basic attacks is no big deal.

And no, WI, Mugetsu, and TSI are all slower then Ywach. Ywach has a 15% speed bond. He has 20% higher str growth rate then WI, which will provide more physical defense, but most importantly he has a insane heal. If you stacked him to 1 million HP, and he is under 500k, he heals for 300k per attack. That trumps almost any defense mod in the game, as it will by far provide more effective health.

Ywach will never be 12k gold. He will be 60k for a while, and slowly work his way down to Mugetsu range, which is where he rightfully should be. However, he will almost surely be the next Ultimate Charge freebie at 60k gold top up, which makes him very interesting, as you get Ywach, you are likely to get 1st place in Ultimate Charge, and you now have 130k+ gold to spend on his mods ( If they sell his mods in Anniversary, thats 12 level 12 stones + Tier 7 Modded Ywach ).

That amount of Self Heal is nothing to write off. That ability will be extremely powerful for the remainder of the game, and no one else is likely to get that mod, ever. Truthfully, I think Kirio spoiled us badly. We are all extremely jaded now. Had Kirio never happened, we would all be swooning over Ywach. I do think Kirio is still teh bestest, but Ywach is a viable counter if you put the work into him. Whether or not that is a beneficial to all potential strategies or not, is another story.

I_MIKE_I

Aristeaus replied at 2015-12-8 19:29
Depends. Does Mutilate land on Ywach? Does Ywach's 5th mod shield clear Mutilate/Chaos/Burns? Does ...

His Shield is quite a mystery to me, the discription got changed quite a lot iirc.

However, the bottom line is, that he's Assault and has "only" 4.2 wisdom growth and no defensive mods, same goes for Evo, so I can't see him becoming able to tank the attacks.

So he's definetely not going to be T1, and to reach a 2nd turn, he'd have to be so stacked that it's quite impossible for any other partner to be still alive for it - meaning he'd also eat the normal attacks.

And now to the biggest flaw: If he get's thrown from T1, a enemy with a non-stacked, non-modded etc. yhwach+oetsu and/or hikifune will laugh at you 24/7 and even more so during PvE.


So, Yhwach - imo - is not a match-deciding char, since he's not immune to fury deduction nor the fastest (or close to).

Sidenote: TSI, Mugetsu and White Ichigo have higher Wisdom and WI even gets +10% def...TSI is faster than Yhwach with his +12% speed mod and his growth on Skill is higher.

Yhwach will surely come for 12k Gold... and personally I'd rather have a Senjumaru for that money..

EDIT: The only think I'd REALLY love to get Yhwach for is Hollow Soul map... but I'm too greedy to spend money for mods, so he wouldn't be that much of a help I guess.

noctustheking

theunknown404 replied at 2015-12-8 22:02
It doesn't seem clear what his shield clears from the text.

basically when he is attacked he has a 20% chance to get a shield i saw the replay the devs used it it seems to effect your other partners as well.
anywho if a Debuff, chaos DOT etc... lands on ywach during the time he is attacked that 20% chance of getting the shield will instantly remove such debuffs or DOTS etc..

theunknown404

It doesn't seem clear what his shield clears from the text.

Aristeaus

uwannadonkey replied at 2015-12-8 21:38
chaos, ignite, mutilate.  lots of possibilities out there.
we all know better partners will be comi ...

By that logic you should never by any partner cause something better will come along "Eventually".

lol

uwannadonkey

chaos, ignite, mutilate.  lots of possibilities out there.
we all know better partners will be coming out.. just a matter of time really until one makes us look at yhwach and think: what a chump