shura ken necessary?

MikkyX

My dilemma is this.  I got enough stones to get shura ken.  Now I don't know if I should get him since he will replace my tavern kenpachi fully modded.  Yeah I know immediate reaction of everybody is shura ken is way way way better than tavern kenpachi but these are my doubts that I have.   
I use kisuke, shini uruhara main tavern kenpachi and isshin. This is for ES.  Now the thing is I don't have cute orihime.  I'm not sure if I ever gonna get her since I use zangetsu and her buff overwrites zangetsu's.  What I like about kenpachi is that he gives 10% block to assaulters so that really helps a lot.  If I get shura kenpachi, I will no longer get that 10% block so I don't know how I'd do with ES.  Maybe I die faster, or maybe my damage goes up/down, not sure, since don't know how much damage block gave me.  But since it's a fully modded kenpachi, and if I do get shura ken and use him he'll need to be modded first, so I'm not sure.

So, final thoughts, would my damage go up in ES if I use shura ken instead of kenpachi?  Is it better to use shura ken than a fully modded kenpachi who gives 10% block to assaulters?  (For reference, ES level is 149 quincy, 139 shinigamy and 130 arrancar).

uwannadonkey

all i know is2 things: block is useless in ES. and growth rate is king in ES

Zento-Hazashi

Your damage WILL go up against Tavern Ken + 10% Block, even a fully modded one

Block does normal attack damage (so whatever your attack does without skill and crit)

You won't be dying if you're fighting a lvl 149 ES with 0/3/2 formation, so the 10% block isn't necessary

the stats and growth damage is too high for Tav Ken to beat

Also 10% Block rate you shouldn't depend on as it's only 10%, compared to a consistent 350% Damage from Shura Ken which is 100% going to happen, and yes, the 10% may have proc'd quite the bit, but it's not going to change it as much as Shura Ken will


hopefully this answers all yo' questions ^^

theguyinblack

in case if you didn't know, Shura's skill reduces enemy's break defense by 75%, now try to compare it with adding 10% block to assaulters ... see the difference ?
and even if Kenpachi is fully moded, Shura is loads better than him  

ryujikun18

i run t1 kisuke and rukia with shura and tavern kenpachi with main's 9th skill i do about 27million damage in es and about 1.4billion damage in ryoka with them untill wave 56 for when i trade tavern ken's gear back to my hollow ichigo and ichigo's aid rate helps out alot

MikkyX

uwannadonkey replied at 2015-11-27 16:21
all i know is2 things: block is useless in ES. and growth rate is king in ES

Umm actually block is very good in ES, as far as I know.  Because by blocking, you decrease the damage you take plus you return damage, thus damage would increase because of blocking.  

MikkyX

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2015-11-27 16:23
Your damage WILL go up against Tavern Ken + 10% Block, even a fully modded one

Block does normal at ...

It's just that I thought that the 10% block would help perhaps not only to give more damage but also to last longer in battle, because as the ES level goes up 150+, they'd hit harder. thus blocking, even if it's only 10% could make the difference if I live or die.  

MikkyX

theguyinblack replied at 2015-11-27 16:25
in case if you didn't know, Shura's skill reduces enemy's break defense by 75%, now try to compare i ...

I know shura's skill reduces brk defense by 75%, but didn't debuffs not work on ES?  I think somebody mentioned before in another thread that ES can't get debuffs.

uwannadonkey

10% block is like level 7 block stone, and should not outweigh the benefits of a 350% skill rate which happens 100% of the time vs block which happens 10% of the time

MikkyX

ryujikun18 replied at 2015-11-27 17:41
i run t1 kisuke and rukia with shura and tavern kenpachi with main's 9th skill i do about 27million  ...

I normally use vg at the start.  I run 1-2-2 in ryoka because well as I see it, it doesn't make much of a difference to do more damage, at least not in the early waves, because you only need so much damage to beat a ryoka.  In addition, need to level h.ichigo, because if I leave him be, it gonna be tough to lvl him for his mods.  

If I did get shura ken I'd only use him for ES.  For ryoka I'd use isshin and main, run a 1-2-2 all throughout the ryoka, that's what I do because it would make no difference running 3-2, except for wave 56 where I stop one hitting.  with 3-2 I'd probably onehit up to 58, but since the waves go very fast, I don't bother switching.  Plus around wave 61 I need to put vg on.  

ES is a different story though, 3-2 all the way to the end.