Expert Opinions required. Shinji VG

ajoalex

Ok so the only thing that i have been seeing is that Sajin is the most tankiest and Shinji needs high level stones and shinji has a deficiency with zanpaktous. I would like some detailed explanation on this, especially those who have used him

I am now lvl 64, will get kazeshini next level. And when i reach lvl 70, i will be getting tengen too.  Hence I will have both the zanpaktous ready.

Some questions
1)I have maxed out lvl 5 STR, lvl 6 STA,DOD,BLOCK,COUNTER on my current VG(chad). Is this enough for Shinji to stay alive for atleast 4 rounds till I reach lvl 90 provided I am fighting against similar level opponents? (i can provide lvl 4 BREAK to him too as I have a slot free in 6 equipments)
2)The zanpaktou effect deduction on shinji, could someone explain with an example? And how does this not affect Sajin?
3)Which zanpaktou is best to go with shinji (i like the attack on everyone skill that he has). If i take him then i will have shinji,ichigo,momo whose first attempt skill shot would hit assaulters. I like the fact that shinji would deal damage to the supporters too.
4)Will shinji deal more damage than my ichigo if equipped with the same set of stones that ichigo is using now, basically is shinji's base values better than ichigo?
5)Whats the ideal max level that sajin and shinji would be able to be with the team ?

thanks

Brahmastra

Let me just say this:
Shinji is an upgraded version of chad with a extra damage. He's great for PVE and could be useful in PVP if the round actually lasts that long.

Sajin is on another level of defense and the best choice for F2P players since he requires less stones to be even more tanky.

2. Affects all VGs.
3. Keep using kazeshini since that's pretty much the best zanpakuto in the game. You can get zangetsu but even then your chars will still get a deduction in attack (Assaulters).
4. Probably I'm not sure.
5. Any? Since you replace a character with higher value than your current VG.

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1) Those stones are not high enough for an offensive VG like Shinji, Starrk, or Ichigo. At those low level they are better on Sajin, as he is tankier and can survive. You also have to drop a defensive stone set for an offensive VG. For me, I had to basically cut my 6 dodge stones down to 2, a lvl 10 and a lvl 9, and add 4 lvl 6 hit stones. You may want to also add 6 agility stones, as you want an offensive VG to use his fury atk as early as possible, or they are practically useless. For me to add mine, I had to drop the 6 wisdom stones which dropped his strat defense which hurt me in PvE like trial and palace, but not to the point I couldn't complete say, all of Espada 1 map. You got to make a lot of sacrafices on an offensive vg.

Also the best free zan is indeed Tengen, for an offensive VG, but it's hard to justify using it over Kazeshini unless your offensive VG is a HIGHLY high level stoned Starrk or Ichigo, or Toshiro. I don't believe it's worth losing the benefits to your main and support it gives. The current go to build by all the strong people on CN atm, seems to be Hyroinmaru as a Zan, and a highly stacked (lvl 12 stones) VG like Starrk who hits everyone, heals himself, and takes very little damage. Or a Demon Ichigo who hits everyone and has massive stats/defense.

2) It does effect Sajin, but not as much as an offensive damage based VG. Sajin is not going to solo a enemy team if he is last alive, he might be hard as hell to kill, but his damage is crap, and his fury ability does nothing to enhance the group or his offensive fire power, all it does it make it harder to kill him. It cuts overall damage rate, but some of the offensive VG's have innate Damage Increase (Toshiro's is 10%). Normal Damage rate is 100%, Sajin's goes to like 60 or 70%, I haven't used him since lvl 100. My Toshiro's with Kazeshini and his gear, is 90 or 95% Damage rate, meaning he's only losing 5% of his normal damage. Having high damage rate is very important on a offensive VG.

3) If you want him to be your main form of damage, or just want him to do decent damage, then Tengen. This means you need even higher stones on main and other partners to make them pick of the slack they lose not having Kazeshini.

4) Shinji's stats and growth rate is MUCH much higher than Ichigo's, and yes he'd probably do more damage with Tengen zan. After his fury atk he does a lot more damage. Especially if you put crit on him ect.

5) Well the obviously need to be within 5-10 levels of your main. When I hit 100 and got starrk, my Sajin was level 94. When I dropped Starrk for Toshiro, my main was level 104 or 105. Starrk was 102. Right now, I'm fixing to hit 110, maybe tomorrow, and my Toshiro is 107. At 110 I'll get Masked Ichigo who starts at 105, and I'll probably use him.

Glasglow

Brahmastra replied at 2014-10-29 01:00
Let me just say this:
Shinji is an upgraded version of chad with a extra damage. He's great for PVE  ...

From my personal experience, Shinji is great for PvP in either way, even with Kazeshini, a decently stoned Shinji will hit on second turn for about 15~20k the whole enemy team (except vanguard and Ghost blade main with highly upgraded gear) , which is no joke damage coming from a vanguard in PvP in the lv70~90 range, especially if your 10th skill is not enough to one-shot the enemy team.
The problem is tho, that he will just melt in PvP in like two rounds, and if you can't kill them first with your main+shinji, you lose.

Remember, you aren't trying to make your vanguard do the same damage as your assaulters or main, he just helps a bit damage wise.
And those stones are plenty enough to make a decent Shinji, disregard the mod, for people like him, if it isn't lv9 stones, its not enough.

About your Shinji/Ichigo question, Shinji will deal less damage than Ichigo with the same stones, but it'll be pretty close actually, and shinji will end up doing more damage than Ichigo if you give him a Van zanpakuto.

And the stones you mentioned are enough for PvP, but for PvE , trials and espada, Shinji will probably be pretty lackluster compared to Sajin.

ajoalex

[email protected] replied at 2014-10-29 11:33
1) Those stones are not high enough for an offensive VG like Shinji, Starrk, or Ichigo. At those low ...

now that makes sense and by far the apt explanation I have got for this. thanks man. looks like if i get shinji i have to have stones for him just like i would if i had a 3rd assaulter. and since i won't be doing any top up for a month, i think there wouldn't be a point in keeping shinji as my 3rd best assaulter. (my main n momo are my top damage ppl).

i just saw kazeshini's overall stats, that would boost my supporter's attack too (i have rukia with 50% crit)

my current VG chad is a beefy tank, he stays till the end, at times its just him and momo. since he cant attack i use the block so that atleast some attack is being released.

from your explanation looks like i will go with sajin since i am devoid of the necessary Stones . i do have the shiba clan stamina treasure gold which i can give to sajin so that should give him more life.

thanks again, this made sense. i will go with the longest safe and best solution ie kazeshini with sajin. cleared all my doubts.

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Glasglow replied at 2014-10-29 01:36
From my personal experience, Shinji is great for PvP in either way, even with Kazeshini, a decently ...

Well maybe when you learn what you are talking about, people will listen. With a VG zan, free Ichigo will not do more damage than Shinji with same stones, especially after he uses his fury attack. I didn't say he needed level 9 stones, I said level 5 stones are still to low to be worth it over Sajin.

You are telling someone not to listen to me, when I clearly know what I'm talking about more than you. So for the love of god drop your stupid hate of me.

Glasglow

[email protected] replied at 2014-10-29 01:48
Well maybe when you learn what you are talking about, people will listen. With a VG zan, free Ichi ...

The only thing you know, is how to waste money on this game, most of your advice is not very optimal to be honest.
If you think that having Lv6 stones is not enough to be competitive in this game at this point, then you obviously never tried to climb the wall of mediocrity.

And learn to read.
Also its funny, because you don't know what you are talking about, you are judging people by your standarts, remember that not everyone can spend 10,000$ on this game to get the stones you have, and competing against other players who aren't top 3, does not require having Lv9 stones, so yeah, you have no idea.

Glasglow

[email protected] replied at 2014-10-29 01:57
I read it, you ninja edited your post.

You don't know anything truly, because you have no experi ...

And yeah i edited the post and added that if you use a zan van, then he will do more damage, but as i said, you have trouble reading.
And honestly, playing this game for several months amounts to having experience, and spending 10,000$ on the game - does not amount to experience, or the ability to tell someone that his opinion and experience is not viable comapred to yours, lulz.

Get off your high horse princess.

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Glasglow replied at 2014-10-29 01:51
The only thing you know, is how to waste money on this game, most of your advice is not very optima ...

I read it, you ninja edited your post.

You don't know anything truly, because you have no experience with it. All you know about is how to troll. My advice is truly optimal, that's why people listen. What would you know being a F2P or Low VIP, or the $55 you spent or whatever. Give it a break. Atleast do some research on what you are trying to talk about, and not just to argue or troll me or whatever it is you are doing. He asked a question, and as he said, I gave the best answer. Dunno if your pride or ego is hurt or w/e. But I'd drop the issue.

And stop editing your posts when you realize you was wrong, and then tell me to learn to read. Nobody is falling for that.

Glasglow

[email protected] replied at 2014-10-29 01:57
I read it, you ninja edited your post.

You don't know anything truly, because you have no experi ...

By the way, i love your ego outbursts, every time i don't agree with you, you have to turn the thread into a drama, way to go drama queen.