HIV vs. Muken

theunknown404

ohmyvenus replied at 2018-2-18 02:23
u shouldn't make the video man, HVI is the best now, everyone will buy him bcos of u and i will go t ...

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dudewhat123

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-2-18 09:55
HIV can be countered easily with Hikifune, someone given out in UBP, so everyone here has a chance t ...

I agree. If someone wants to get HVI, just use Muken instead and donate me the extra gold you woulda saved

theunknown404

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-2-18 09:55
HIV can be countered easily with Hikifune, someone given out in UBP, so everyone here has a chance t ...

Before I read the rest of this thread, I just wanted to say if you are using HIV without Kokuto, then you are doing it wrong. Without Kokuto, he is trash. I will not try to argue against that.

The main thing here is that Kokuto will fury reduce Hikifune before she can even skill. There was an example fight with Hikifune in the video I posted where she was the only one left on the field after Kokuto attacked. As soon as the enemy's zanpakuto skilled, she got fury reduced, so no invincibility skill (but she also got stunned by Kokuto, so she didn't stand a chance anyway).

This fury reduction by Kokuto also stops certain frog models and ice yaoi partners from skill attacks right off the bat.

I agree with you that Muken will still be the go-to assaulter for quite a while unless they somehow release something better that is also free.

But it is nice to see some variety and as Devvoke put it, a game that is more team oriented than one partner that beats all.

MylarHyrule

theunknown404 replied at 2018-2-18 13:56
Before I read the rest of this thread, I just wanted to say if you are using HIV without Kokuto, t ...

no arguments there, but by your own logic, HVI is a supporting partner, and Kokuto is the wrecking ball...  by your own logic, it sounds like you feel that kokuto + muken should be cheaper and stronger...  once you bring in New Byaukua and a Mayuri, and swap some of HVI's mods to block then and only then HVI seems like the better choice...  and that is only because of his 300% block power (which can and likely will get patched as it is quite obviously not the intended effect)...  And if that IS patched, HVI looses the only leg up he has on Muken (aside from the speed) yet none of Muken's strengths are acting in a way he was not intended, so no patches in his future...

so it's Muken vs Kokuko + bugged HVI that GoGames can fix at any time...  that's 80,000 gold value difference there...  and kokuko + HVI is of course an OP combo, however with Muken out there it's gonna take some dirt cheap, game breaking shit to push him out of favor...  Muken even clipped Bankai Yama's nuts right quick, even with such an OP boost he gets from RJ

these are of course my own opinions, however when you need a team full of OP peeps to out class a single free partner...  well, I'll just let you finish that thought, lol

theunknown404

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-2-18 09:55
HIV can be countered easily with Hikifune, someone given out in UBP, so everyone here has a chance t ...

I got my HIV for 30k gold spend in earlier events and not just for the sake of getting him with gold that I had been holding on for a very long time due to the developers making the game stagnant and uninteresting. I bought hogyoku exp pills and got him with the points. If it wasn't for that, even I would not be bothering with this experiment. I would stick with Muken like this cancer game has generally become.

Buying partners for the sake of partners is generally a bad choice, anyway, since they are always going out of date. If you really wanted to spend on the game, which I wouldn't recommend to anybody at this point, you should at least use it on something that is a bit more future proof. Unless you are maxed on stones somehow like Fuji Habiki, spirit stones are always a good choice.

With higher rebates, it's easier to get 30-40k spend partners (don't do top-up partners unless it's really at the same time of super high gold rebates) than it used to be. It's a waiting game if you want good deals. The developers still don't do enough work to deserve it, so I'm pretty conflicted whenever I think about spending on the game anymore. I've got a long list of reasons to feel animosity toward them that I'm sure I've hinted at on more than one occasion.

Overall, I think HVI+Kokuto would be a good choice for a lot of entering players who are not even close to getting Muken.

As you said, HVI is a no-go with Hikifune out and about, but with Kokuto, he should be better at least. There was also the alternative of Yhwach, but now with people having Kokuto, he will definitely have the same issues as any partner without fury deduction immunity. You could do Bankai Yama, but ehhhh, you really have to love Yamamoto, I guess.

MylarHyrule

theunknown404 replied at 2018-2-18 14:29
I got my HIV for 30k gold spend in earlier events and not just for the sake of getting him with go ...

bankai yama does have immune to fury reduce doesn't he?

ooooooo   that IS another feather in his cap isn't it...

like yourself, I"m curious how much longer this game will continue...  I've reduced to topping up enough to keep my monthly card active and keeping shini welfare going, with a very little bit extra (maybe $35 to $50 a month usually)

theunknown404

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-2-18 14:42
bankai yama does have immune to fury reduce doesn't he?

ooooooo   that IS another feather in his  ...

Yeah, fury deduction immunity was one of the nice parts about Yama along with his high defense and avoid injury rate and defense reduction in skill. He'd be a lot more effective against Muken if shield did not exist to clear the silence and his attack power potential was high enough to compete with Muken.

Yeah, that's generally a good idea. lol

theunknown404

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-2-18 14:19
no arguments there, but by your own logic, HVI is a supporting partner, and Kokuto is the wrecking ...

I would recommend using Kokuto with Muken, too. Buuut it's not necessarily required to make Muken good. Kokuto by himself couldn't take out the higher tiers, so HVI was taking a supporting role if you count nuclear bomb drops. lol

I believe HVI is working as they intended aside from his exclusive skill crashing Void Region (heh). What was the point of making his normal attack release his skill damage otherwise? Block damage is determined from normal attack damage, so I don't see how this is unintentional or unfair. At the same time, he lowers block in his skill. It feels to me as if they had planned for this when they made him (because you aren't going to be able to avoid being blocked in Void Region with it like I originally thought they intended it for. I've already tried it). Otherwise, they are really good at making up shit as they go along. lol

It would be easy to stay with Muken, yes, but Muken is one of the biggest reasons for why I've grown to despise this game so much. Even if I went forward with a handicap, I'd fight anything that is Muken. That is why I put any kind of hope in HVI when I selected him from the prize shop. I could use a good challenge, anyway, so why not use what I have?

At the very least, it sounds like we can all agree it's easier for most players to stack a free Muken. HVI's edge over Muken has still yet to be demonstrated in a way that makes me want to say "oh wow, abandon the Muken ship, guys!" but it seems like they have done a lot to improve his odds. Otherwise, he couldn't have made it through a Muken dominated CSB with only one supporter. My objective in this forum thread was not to prove he is without a doubt better than Muken in all cases (which I've already admitted is not the case) nor to convince people they should just use HVI but to show he's gotten better than public opinion still seems to suggest. I felt this topic deserved a little more attention than what I have seen, which is why this thread exists now.

After all, tomorrow they could just create a new supporter that gives team invincibility for 2 rounds and is immune fury deduction, but I doubt they will soon since most new supporters don't have ignore invincibility anymore. They would have to either be ready to abandon ship on a lot of supporters or create more ways of clearing invincibility besides Kyoka Suigetsu. LOL imagine if it went back to the Hikifune days and it was up to using Kyoka to clear invincibility. The person to go second would always win if both had Hiki 2.0.

MylarHyrule

theunknown404 replied at 2018-2-18 15:45
I would recommend using Kokuto with Muken, too. Buuut it's not necessarily required to make Muken  ...

well played sir, well played, lol

theunknown404

MylarHyrule replied at 2018-2-18 16:40
well played sir, well played, lol