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Post time 2014-10-25 05:19:51 |Show the author posts only
jasen22 replied at 2014-10-25 03:58
FUCK U ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post time 2015-1-12 17:15:44 |Show the author posts only
hello lady

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Post time 2015-1-12 17:17:20 |Show the author posts only

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Post time 2015-1-12 23:03:26 |Show the author posts only
nieverland replied at 2014-8-5 16:18
yep you need reiatsu lv40 for the next upgrade

I don't know if my wrists will last through the clicks needed to get to level 40.

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Post time 2015-1-12 23:08:26 |Show the author posts only
dragonstorm008 replied at 2014-8-8 19:04
It already says on the upgrade panel: "Hogyoku-Kai".
I don't think its actually anything after Ban ...

A lot stuff in this game is completely made up.

Like equipment being a source of stats even though the manga is clear that internal Reiatsu generation is the only source of power for anyone who isn't a Quincy, or Yammy and that this Reiatsu generation has a maximum limit for each person which differs between each person and is determined by nature.

There is only 2 forms, Shikai and Bankai. Each Shikai can have multiple abilities, just as each Bankai can have multiple abilities. But that's only for pure Shinigami. They need to gain hollow like qualities in order to go further, however going further isn't going beyond Bankai so much as sidestepping the entire process and evolving from a completely different state to another state.

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Post time 2015-1-12 23:16:10 |Show the author posts only
Shahadem replied at 2015-1-12 22:08
A lot stuff in this game is completely made up.

Like equipment being a source of stats even thoug ...

Except, Hogyoku-Kai is a real thing to. It is the point at which a wielder merges with his/her Zanpakuto.

Ichigo and Aizen both accomplished this. It was never given a name, but given the Hogyoku's involvment, it isn't all that far fetched.

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Post time 2015-1-14 02:14:52 |Show the author posts only
Aristeaus replied at 2015-1-12 22:16
Except, Hogyoku-Kai is a real thing to. It is the point at which a wielder merges with his/her Zan ...

But Ichigo didn't actually merge with his Zanpaktou. It was just in his hand and a chain wrapped around his arm. There was no implication that it was physically merged with his soul. Especially since the Zanpaktou was already part of his soul. So the concept of merging with his Zanpaktou is entirely ludicrous as the Zankpaktous is simply a representation of his soul. That's also why his sword was so large even when he first became a Shinigami. You can't merge with something that is merely a representation as it is only an image. The chain wrapping around his arm was therefore just showing that he merged the hollow and shinigami sides of his soul.

What both Ichigo and Aizen did was break through the Shinigami/Hollow barrier. Ichigo by combining the Hollow and Shinigami parts of his soul that were trying to maintain quasi-seperate existances due to their entirely different motivations like the moral/immoral demons that sit on everyone's shoulders (I know that the arcs after this will try to rewrite this but they are wrong and its a huge retcon that is very very wrong and causes the entire story to collapse in on itself in a black hole of ludicrousness). Aizen uses the Hoguyokou to gain the hollowness he lacks and then merges the two together. That's why it takes him so long to reach his final transformation, because his soul needs to be made into a hollow and shinigami soul and then the two need to be merged together. The merging with the Zanpaktou thing has more to do with the fact that the Zanpaktou is part of their soul and that the Zanpaktou serves two completely different functions for both Shinigami and hollows. This is actually where we can tell that the writer completely altered the direction of the story.

The original reason why Ichigo's Bankai is just another sword that looks like every other SHinigami's normal unreleased Zanpaktou is likely because his Bankai was supposed to actually be similar to an arrancar's sword. An Arrancar's sword seals away the Arrancar's true form. So Ichigo's Bankai was supposed to allow Ichigo to have a resurrection form when he mastered his hollow side. That's part of why his hollow form was able to try asserting control over Ichigo when Ichigo was using his Bankai, because when he is in his Bankai form he is essentially an Arrancar and more intune with his hollow side than Shinigami side. The evidence is fairly clear. The first time that hollow (ie white Ichigo) is able to gain control over Ichigo is after Ichigo's second release which releases his sword that is actually an Arrancar's sword. And that is also why the black Getsuuga is extremely similar in composition to a Cero. Because the Getsuuga is being shot from a hollow tuned sword.

But Tite decides to "jump the shark" by retconning hollow ichigo and saying that was a Quincy. And thanks to the evidence I just presented you can see why that is a huge retcon that causes the entire plot to collapse. The clear and convincing evidence proves that white Ichigo was hollow Ichigo. And hollow Ichigo was actually inside Ichigo from the beginning of the series. You can hear and see the telltale signs of hollow Ichigo's Reiatsu breaking through when Renji first cuts up Ichigo during episode 17ish (the first time Ichigo fights Renji and then gets stabbed by Byakuya).

Anways, the reason why Ichigo and Aizen look the way they do is because they are a combined hollow/shinigami soul and thus the competing purpose that their Zanpaktou serves causes it to appear to be "merged" with the characters. However even the story makes it perfectly clear that their power is coming from the fact that they merged their shinigami and hollow soul sections together.

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Post time 2015-7-24 11:42:20 |Show the author posts only
really my reatsu is just lvl 16 omg

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Post time 2015-11-14 02:23:41 |Show the author posts only
nieverland replied at 2014-8-5 18:35
Yep  Bankai is enought atm

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Post time 2016-6-28 05:19:27 |Show the author posts only
nieverland replied at 2014-8-8 19:04
Anyway, anyone know the name of the next tranfomation after Bankai?? sorry but i miss a lot of chap. ...

It is Hogyoku-kai

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