Void again

DeEmEn

shadowfane replied at 2019-1-28 15:28
ok so that covers maybe 2 of 3 and I say maybe because I still call bull.  Your story is changing as ...

DoT is a damage the by-pass defenses to do damage. It's not a real damage. Sorry.

DoT = By-pass defense.
Freeze = By-pass offense.

Same deal. My story never changed.

raiedecha

In literally every other game ever dot is a debuff... why would this be any different

EdmondGzv

1. If someone abused freeze they still got their goods, resources and etc.
2. 3mil defense and no one explain clearly how damage is meant to work in void beside 2m atk and 250-300% modify
3. Why I'm not able to debuff the 3mil defense? Because no poison, no ignite, no stun, nothing the only meaning to beat void is pure stupidly strength, need no brain, no strategy for void. Just pure strength. And when comes that strength? VIP 10 with 15m bp scratch void.
Take example from this guy, he has 4.6m bp muken, idc if he's vip 0 or something, he can't hit only because he only have 1.7m atk. he have 70% dmg rate from noble, 50% from shy nemu. I call this more than enough to get little to something dmg. How many players have what this guy have?

No need for a strategy when doing void is just a little reward for people that had an account earlier than others, nothing much.

And most important thing for me, when there is gonna be an offline event wich isn't a lottery for poor people?

DeEmEn

EdmondGzv replied at 2019-1-28 16:05
1. If someone abused freeze they still got their goods, resources and etc.
2. 3mil defense and no o ...

1. VR is now weak enough for you to do some dmg.
2. Just debuffing is part of strategy? I don't see any strategy in there, except for stacking all the debuff you can to cover your lack of strength. But I do agree to leave some debuff on for weaker players to do damage, but PvE bosses are meant to have 0 debuff.
3. You should look at his BR lol, it's not about his atk and dmg rate.

Strategy? It's just a poor excuse for easier VR.

Offline events are already running, are you missing out?

EdmondGzv

DeEmEn replied at 2019-1-28 18:30
1. VR is now weak enough for you to do some dmg.
2. Just debuffing is part of strategy? I don't se ...

1. not in my realm, no one can hurt void.
2. Yeah debuffing is a part of strategy, I agree that things like freeze and poison can be exploited but that's all about it, buffing void constantly and nerfing just their speed/atk isn't doing much for people than have less than 10m bp. PVE bosses are meant to have 0 debuff just in this game, in any rpgs or mmorpgs, or strategy games you have races/classes meant only to buff your allies and debuff enemies.
3. I didn't watched the br, idc about a free team made from cbs shop and ubp, he's lacking ofc, but that shouldn't mean he have a weak team that can't even scratch void. there is a lot of grinding done in that team and a lot of time spent and i think is quite depressing to work that much and see you can't do nothing. Vip 0 accounts are my heroes in this game


Indeed you can call them offline events, but I only see a lottery for poor people in wich I was interested only when it had top-up cards and excl. frags.

Edit: I watched the br and is just too painful to watch, that void is older and bugged wtf

Potdenutella

EdmondGzv replied at 2019-1-28 18:05
1. If someone abused freeze they still got their goods, resources and etc.
2. 3mil defense and no o ...

>3
You were here but you might want to recheck his question and the answers for that.
You took how the damage rate works wrong, it just increases the final damage (after the defense is counted) not the base attack, meaning if the muken has 1.7m ATK and void 3m DEF, he will deal 1~8 damage whatever it pops with 150% damage, if Muken had 250% DMG instead he would deal 2~16 because with 100% more DMG he deals twice his final damage.
The DMG means nothing if you have NO attack to surpass 3m DEF, you need more than 3m ATK then you may consider having DMG buff.
If the guy had Isane or Hiki for a 50% ATK buff and an extra 25% from the bonus partner, he would have more than 3m ATK and start damaging rawly.

EdmondGzv

Potdenutella replied at 2019-1-28 19:05
>3
You were here but you might want to recheck his question and the answers for that.
You took how ...

I recognize my mistake, I said 2mil physical and 250-300% modify when thing were certain different. Agree with all you've said.
Then I'm gonna be subjective and bring up hvi in this discussion.
Hvi skills every turn so his dmg will be like this: ( attack - enemy's defense) x ( dmg rate -  enemy's imm rate) x 300% from growth rate x2 if critical? + how fury "overflow" works?


Still, if I have 40% atk from kokoto and 50% from bwb are those adding to the base atk? with 1 mil atk from these 2 modifiers alone is 1.9m? indeed doing this first with 40 and then 50 and vice-versa brings up 2 different results so, i tend to think that they add to the base. Something like attack=1m +(1m x 40)/100 + (1m x 50)/100 =1.9m attack is the correct answer?

DeEmEn

EdmondGzv replied at 2019-1-28 16:57
1. not in my realm, no one can hurt void.
2. Yeah debuffing is a part of strategy, I agree that thi ...

Well, you bring the debate back to square one, and every problem will be repeating itself. Like I said, though, I do agree to leave poison and burn to let weaker players to do some damage. But if you can't find a way to boost your dmg, there's nothing we can do because the dev are too lazy to code in immunity. I am also a victim of removing some legit debuff also, cuz I do less damage because of that. But instead of begging for bringing debuff back, I strengthen my team and boost the atk and dmg rate. You grind a lot doesnt mean you deserve some damage, tbh. My alt grind as much as my main account, doesnt mean I give up on trying to do some damages.

Oh, you are only interested in top-up cards and exclusive frags? so sad. There won't be any top up cards in the future. Only in special occasion.

His void is not bugged, someone messed with setting and dodge is super high.

DeEmEn

EdmondGzv replied at 2019-1-28 17:23
I recognize my mistake, I said 2mil physical and 250-300% modify when thing were certain different. ...

Kokuto buff for HVI is currently not functional. If HVI exclusive is on, it will receive no buff.