PvP formation (tell me how to counter this please)

Eilisa

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 12:09
ok, so tensa will attack first only in 1st round

how much speed does muramsa gives when he use s ...

If group is lacking Shinso bonus will be lower orginally just because of mod.

15% for tensa vs 12% from mura + 10% from shinso (22% orginal form  max is 31%) then mura gives a speed buff to support for an additional 18% speed. (It is basicially Zangetsu for supporters for buffs but at 130% for rei bonus)

Curls88

Eilisa replied at 2015-3-14 11:20
If group is lacking Shinso bonus will be lower orginally just because of mod.

15% for tensa vs 12% ...

Ok lets say both are original cuz i dont know what is tensa hogyo-kai speed exactly so

what you're saying is

Muramsa + shinso gin + muramsa buff (after 1st round) = 12% + 10%= 22% speed in first round  + 18% = 40% speed in 2nd round

Tensa + shinso gin = 15% + 10% = 25% speed

right?

Eilisa

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 12:23
Ok lets say both are original cuz i dont know what is tensa hogyo-kai speed exactly so

what you're ...

To get the additional 18% speed from mura in 1st round just need to have the highest speed (since buff does apply to first round if you  go first) but yeah your starting speed is 3% slower then tensa + shinso if running that but your original group had csb aizen + hma aizen and was missing shinso.

Audis3000

UnKnOwNHoLlOw replied at 2015-3-14 12:13
Thats why i don't have any friends -.- people say something which they arent even sure of .....let ...

so easy maths

he uses a normal character with no + agility talent and put hogus or boots ( same boots or hogu ) on him
then put it on shinso and calculate the + %

UnKnOwNHoLlOw

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 12:23
Ok lets say both are original cuz i dont know what is tensa hogyo-kai speed exactly so

what you're ...

Yep Tensa is basically an allrounder PVP Zan if you think like that Tensa Shin Gin be will faster than anything i guess ......but don't know for sure cause they might bring other zans and partners....

UnKnOwNHoLlOw

Audis3000 replied at 2015-3-14 12:28
so easy maths

he uses a normal character with no   agility talent and put hogus or boots ( same  ...

That made no sense ..... CSB aizens growth rates are much higher but some people has both shin gin and CSB Aizen then how come they say that with same  everything shin gin is still faster?.... if he really did find out then Aizen should be the faster one due to their same talent and  Aizens higher growth rates ......I guess curls will find out after getting CSB aizen.....

Brahmastra

Hmm interesting I actually forgot about ShinGins speed mod. This does change a lot..
Assuming we're using the same stones and hogu's I go with this formation:

Not sure who's faster, Gin or HMA Aizen. If Gin is faster he goes on top for more damage.

1. T1 HMA Aizen        - Stop assaulters from attacking and deal some damage to the VG.
2. T1 ShinGin        - Speed buff, extra fury for more damage and deals damage to support.
3. Main                - 10th skill to try and kill the enemy support.

Enemy support should be dead by now or close to dying.

4. Tavern Aizen        - Counter for the vanguard, reducing fury and possible stun. (not sure what Dichigos mods are)
5. Vanguard or Assaulter.

Anyway I probably missed something but this was the first that came to mind. I might post a serious one later..

Curls88

Eilisa replied at 2015-3-14 11:27
To get the additional 18% speed from mura in 1st round just need to have the highest speed (since  ...

yes but I changed it.. so muramsa buff doesn't work if u go 2nd ?

which will make tensa win?

Eilisa

Curls88 replied at 2015-3-14 12:34
yes but I changed it.. so muramsa buff doesn't work if u go 2nd ?

which will make tensa win?

Tensa would go first in that situation so battle would go

Tensa attacks + buffs (unknown)
Shinso Gin Attacks (Tensa Team)
then
Mura attacks + buffs (18% speed + attack to support forgot exact % on attack)
Shinso Gin Attacks (Mura Team)
then if they running same partners as your for support theirs would go first due to the speed buff unless Tensa has a speed buff but going on known stats atm that would be outcome.

Curls88

UnKnOwNHoLlOw replied at 2015-3-14 11:32
Yep Tensa is basically an allrounder PVP Zan  if you think like that Tensa Shin Gin be will fast ...

Yeah.. at least I got a worthy partner for pvp (shinso gin) xD

I don't know what i'm going to do with the challenge stones.. maybe just get them for fun