ichibei from halloween carnival

TanakaAiri

Honestly I'm still more of a fan of demon ichigo than I am of this new guy

evagorasl

Honestly he seems very lacking to me. Maybe it's because of how high Hikifune has set the bar for the Royal Guard.

Zento-Hazashi

Aristeaus replied at 2015-11-1 02:16
I don't like him at all.

You have to use Hikifune to make him really useful, as anytime it matters  ...

who is essentially just going to stand there and take hits.

LOL This is what a VG is supposed to do xD

Dude you keep thinking of Offensive VG's, Ichibe is the best at doing his job; Being a Vanguard, defending against everything thrown at him and his team.

Offensive VG's are there to deal damage with their block, or say deal AOE damage to the enemy team whilst also being tanky (not serious AOE damage, just enough to be noticed). Sure Ichibe deals AOE too, but it's literally only there so his skill is worth a red partners worth, not to be deemed as an offensive.
Pretty much, in terms of a VG's description, Ichibe is the best VG you can get atm without a doubt

Aristeaus

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2015-10-31 21:38
LOL This is what a VG is supposed to do xD

Dude you keep thinking of Offensive VG's, Ichibe is t ...

Again, he isn't worth getting if the only time he matters is a small percentage of the time.

1: You need Hikifune. She is the only way to stop a potential BRukia or SWP Aizen.
2: If you are using Hikifune, you can be using Ganju and it amounts to the same thing.

If you don't have Hikifune, he is going to be spending most of his time Stunned/Mutilated/Chaosed/Fossilized, and in that case, it doesn't really matter if its Ichibe or Noza, or even Komamura.

Basically, in the best of circumstances, he is interchangable with Ganju. In the worst of circumstances, he is interchangable with Ganju. That does not make for a character worth 12k gold to me.

Zento-Hazashi

Aristeaus replied at 2015-11-1 02:44
Again, he isn't worth getting if the only time he matters is a small percentage of the time.

1: Y ...

Those are specific requirements however, you can't just base your option on whether or not you're getting a partner due to coming across only 1/2 other partners in the game, you have thousands of players to meet and come across! And 2 partners are going to stop you?

That's quite the stretch to say Hiki can do that, exaggerating in an example isn't exactly the best way to prove a point like that
We're also talking about a VG, not Hiki to stop other supporters potential fuck-ups to your own team, you just brought a random third party into this. There's a thing called counters in this game, and unlucky that B.Rukia and SWP Aizen are counters to VG, so include your example to EVERY VG in the game, ever, until their skill literally counters EVERYTHING of SWP Aizen's and B.Rukia's.

In you're logic, if you don't have a Hiki, don't equip a VG since it's absolutely useless.

You're not always going to meet a SWP Aizen or B.Rukia, hell they either take the piss to get or cost a shit-ton, so not much people even have these characters.
And countering what you said on his most type spent doing this:
Stunned - he has a mod for that.
Mutilated - Specific to only 1 Partner in game, goes back to my reason as to why you would buy/not buy a partner.
Chaosed: Also specific to 1 character, and even then, it's based off VG's own damage, so it won't even hurt Ichibe since he's not an offensive VG.
Fossilized: Also specific to 1 character, which is great! Because only normal attacks will hit him, going back to the purpose of a VG, TO TAKE HITS

TanakaAiri

I'm more of a person that likes offensive VG's , so I think I'm gonna skip out on him really. Gonna wait to see if they release another red partner that's an offensive VG. Its more my style

Aristeaus

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2015-10-31 21:55
Those are specific requirements however, you can't just base your option on whether or not you're  ...

It's not at all a exaggeration.

On one end of the spectrum you don't need him because Hikifune. On the other end, he is likely to be CC'd, and since he is not a offensive VG, if your team dies you just lost the fight.

If you have the capability of spending 12k gold on a character, then you shouldn't be very worried about the middle of the road. People with random stuff aren't a threat to you regardless of who your VG is. You spend 12k on a character you plan on implementing a endgame strategy with.

More often then not Ichibei does nothing. Is he a upgrade to some other VG? Sure, technically. At the same time, if you spent 12k gold on upgrading your Noza you would end up with a better VG then Ichibei.

That is just where he fits into the game currently. Additionally, 12k gold can buy you Hikifune, who would unquestionably provide more for your PvE and PvP team. And again, if you have Hikifune, why would you even want Ichibei at all?

Using UN as a model, the only VG that get used after 3EM  got released are one that casts burn and chaos on the entire team, and one that specifically counters 3EM. None of the others get used at all, and its for very good reason.

Zento-Hazashi

TanakaAiri replied at 2015-11-1 03:00
I'm more of a person that likes offensive VG's , so I think I'm gonna skip out on him really. Gonna  ...

the only pure offensive red we have is Noza Ken who is a SWP partner, so yeah, definitely one will come down the road, be sure of that

Zento-Hazashi

Aristeaus replied at 2015-11-1 03:07
It's not at all a exaggeration.

On one end of the spectrum you don't need him because Hikifune.  ...

You're skipping the point of a VG being a VG to fulfil his role, which is what Ichibe does, better than, well any other VG in the game currently, whilst also even more filling to that role is that he buffs your team to literally take 0% Damage (200% defence upgrade).

You're adding so many factors my god xD OFC spending 12K on an already owned partner, nevermind you a red offensive partner, would be better than just buying a straight up partner!

We're talking the partner Ichibe himself, not against an UPGRADED Noza Ken, but a base, just like Ichibe, being a base, if you're going to talk about upgrades, talk about Ichibe upgraded too.

Not too sure if you've witnessed good VG's, but yo, them being the last to survive is a great thing, having so much HP at the end of the fight can win you it, continuously blocking and regenerating HP, as I said, he's made to fill that role of a VG, something you're not seeing. Sure you can buy Hiki or whatever, but damn, as I said, if you're talking about not needing Ichibe if you have Hiki, why need any VG? That's defo an exaggeration to just prove a point.

There isn't much CC to a VG btw, have you seen how many partners can CC a VG? At the top of my head, I think of 3! Noza Ken, Ultima Aizen and B.Rukia, Noza Ken is countered naturally, Ultima Aizen is countered naturally, and B.Rukia is there to fuck up any VG regardless! And take note of who these people are that CC a VG, partners that take the utter piss to obtain, just by lvl of main character alone for 2 of them! You gotta stop including factors from so many different things, 1 or 2 things (Such as meeting certain partners, or being stunned) isn't stopping a VG, or buying one! Whilst stunned, you still block, and defend, why is that important if he's not stunned, look at him at base, what he does and what he brings to a fight, a VG!




Take a giant read to yo' face <3 because my god I want to prove a stupid point

@ra5h_V

ppl change roles of chars. they put block on main and agi on stark to stop isshin and clear team. they r strategies of meating ppls.

damn new era, 6th growth rate chars prove company dont end game this soon