How good is oetsu nimaiya?

theunknown404

uwannadonkey replied at 2015-11-28 23:29
tenjiro attacks everyone, with a higher growth rate to boot.  hes got nice kido attack mods too. an ...

Berserk Renji and Bankai Rukia give 60% extra crit dmg to main with maxed bonds, but yeah, the main isn't that great to begin with.

uwannadonkey

kosmo:true on all those points. i always forget yhwach isnt a kido like he should be, lol and is instead a phys.  This is the first i hear of assaulters being immune to that 20% decrease in kido dmg, as yousaid .  all the mod says is "enemy", or did you mean that yhwach was phys?   Fact is, oetsu is NOT mini yhwach(theunknown had said this before he removed it in edit) was the point i was trying to get across, and there are better choices out there

MikkyX

theunknown404 replied at 2015-11-28 23:24
From what I have seen, Ignite/mutilate damage happens at the beginning of that enemy character's tu ...

well i don't see the point there if you go 1st and take away  a certain amount of hp until it's their turn.

I thought that 80% was at the moment.  So if you're let's say very fast.  And 3 of your partners attack 1st, and leave let's say enemy's main or supporter or vg or whoever has the mutilate mark on, still living.  If they got like 15% hp remaining, that will be 80% mutilate of the 15%.  Kinda useless at that point, really, unless you got high block.  

uwannadonkey

80% of max hp as far as i know.  someone correct me if im wrong: so if their max hp is 1million, and oetsu does 250k dmg to them, before the attack, the mutilated partner will suffer 800k dmg and die

MikkyX

uwannadonkey replied at 2015-11-29 00:01
80% of max hp as far as i know.  someone correct me if im wrong: so if their max hp is 1million, and ...

Ah, now you're talking.  That sounds more reasonable now.  I hope somebody can confirm this if this is true and if this is how it works.  

theunknown404

uwannadonkey replied at 2015-11-28 23:59
kosmo:true on all those points. i always forget yhwach isnt a kido like he should be, lol and is ins ...

Yeah, Yhwach is physical attack. Assaulters are always physical damage with the exception of the main character. Technically, they have a kido attack stat just as supports have physical attack stat, but they don't use it in any way. So, decreasing kido attack on Yhwach makes no difference.

I said "he resembles a weaker wisdom Yhwach" because of all the dmg mods, bonds, talent, and stat, but he is in no way on the level of Yhwach's physical damage. I used the word resemble to try to make the statement weaker. Mini Yhwach would be too strong of a claim, I agree.

JianJinhai

well i have oetsu, at first i was very sceptical about him (me being a low lvl so kinda understandable) but as time goes on im slowly realizing how good of a partner he actually is, i was to focused on the "speed" that i forgot how much he actually brings to the table.

he's insanely good if stacked thats all i can say for now. will see more in future

theunknown404

So, can somebody explain how ignite and mutilate are different, seeing how Tenjiro has the former and Oetsu has the latter?

Does mutilate take a percentage of the max hp while ignite does damage from Tenjiro's attack over time? It seems unlikely that they are the same given that Tenjiro casts ignite at 100% growth for 2 rounds.

If mutilate is just as Bankai Rukia does 30% each round on vanguard, I can see why you would want it casted on the vanguard. Making Oetsu go after Hiki or Tenjiro would then be a good idea.

Kosmodestiny

uwannadonkey replied at 2015-11-28 23:59
kosmo:true on all those points. i always forget yhwach isnt a kido like he should be, lol and is ins ...

Well yes, you're correct that oetsu is not a mini yhwach. No assaulters like yhwach aren't "immune" to the 20% decrease in kido damage, they simply have no kido damage to decrease.  Assaulters (aside from your main character if you're kido type) all deal purely physical damage. So a kido damage decrease mod like Oetsu's will do absolutely nothing to any assaulter such as yhwach.

Kosmodestiny

theunknown404 replied at 2015-11-29 00:40
So, can somebody explain how ignite and mutilate are different, seeing how Tenjiro has the former an ...

You have it exactly right. Mutilate is Bankai Rukia's skill debuff except Oetsu's does 80% of that enemy's hp instead of B Rukia's 30%. Ignite does 100% of Tenjiro's attack, the nice thing about this being that this isn't affected by the enemy's defense from what I've seen. Honestly though the best thing about Oetsu's skill is that -10 fury to the entire enemy party. As far as I know there's currently no one that runs a partner with 110+ fury so this basically shuts down anyone's T1. Yeah hiki does that as well, but not on the enemy's vanguard plus she's slower than nimaiya.