Ywach Theorycrafting

uwannadonkey

or you know, wait for the next ichigo version, lol.  Getting yhwach to 7 would take well over 1000$ if you add in the cost for buying him, and he wont be the best partner for very long, lol. Hes great, but i dont expect to see very much of him  

your same argument of tsi or demon ichigo vs ichibe in price applies here.  only heavy spenders will spend here and not care at all that in a month, there will be a better one

Aristeaus

uwannadonkey replied at 2015-12-8 21:03
or you know, wait for the next ichigo version, lol.  Getting yhwach to 7 would take well over 1000$  ...

Oh it would be absurdly expensive. The only way I would even consider doing it is if it was a event like Aniversary, where you can pick up 2 sets of level 12 stones in addition to his mods, or something like that.

Characters with that level of strength and a unique ability never get overshadowed. Take Mugetsu. He isn't what he used to be, still expensive as fck, but having that 35% support combo rate is still absolutely insane to this day.

Ywach's ability to get 30% of his max health back per attack is NEVER going to be bad. His Shield is also likely extremely good, though we don't have enough information on it yet. He also hits harder then anyone else in the game, and will likely hold that title for at least a year given his price, and how the +100% damage rate buff works.

uwannadonkey

Aristeaus replied at 2015-12-8 21:13
Oh it would be absurdly expensive. The only way I would even consider doing it is if it was a even ...

out the box, no mods needed, oetsu tenjiro and hikifune would crush any team with him. tenjiro with speed mod on allies, chaos, ignite, hitting 2. oetsu mutilate, hitting all(mutilate landing on vg or yhwach would be beneficial here), and hikifune fury reduction and hitting the back two rows.   A strong as hell hikifune would tear into any yhwach without a nice wisdom set and proper defense.   this team of 3 costs like 26k, lol, and many spenders already got it XD

Aristeaus

uwannadonkey replied at 2015-12-8 21:17
out the box, no mods needed, oetsu tenjiro and hikifune would crush any team with him. tenjiro wit ...

"Tear into any Ywach without a nice wisdom set and proper defense"

Did you miss the part with the Stacked Ywach comments like every other post? lol.

Even at our level you could stack a Ywach to a 1 Mil health. 120% skills aren't gonna kill him, and hes going to heal up easily, even off a auto attack. If his shield clears out Mutilate ( even if it lands on him ), it would allow him to survive that.

Hell dude, most of my Kirio hits one shot everyones back lines. That is almost exclusively do to people not having any counter stones or Immune stacking. My Kirio would be lucky to hit him for 200k.

uwannadonkey

chaos, ignite, mutilate.  lots of possibilities out there.
we all know better partners will be coming out.. just a matter of time really until one makes us look at yhwach and think: what a chump

Aristeaus

uwannadonkey replied at 2015-12-8 21:38
chaos, ignite, mutilate.  lots of possibilities out there.
we all know better partners will be comi ...

By that logic you should never by any partner cause something better will come along "Eventually".

lol

theunknown404

It doesn't seem clear what his shield clears from the text.

noctustheking

theunknown404 replied at 2015-12-8 22:02
It doesn't seem clear what his shield clears from the text.

basically when he is attacked he has a 20% chance to get a shield i saw the replay the devs used it it seems to effect your other partners as well.
anywho if a Debuff, chaos DOT etc... lands on ywach during the time he is attacked that 20% chance of getting the shield will instantly remove such debuffs or DOTS etc..

I_MIKE_I

Aristeaus replied at 2015-12-8 19:29
Depends. Does Mutilate land on Ywach? Does Ywach's 5th mod shield clear Mutilate/Chaos/Burns? Does ...

His Shield is quite a mystery to me, the discription got changed quite a lot iirc.

However, the bottom line is, that he's Assault and has "only" 4.2 wisdom growth and no defensive mods, same goes for Evo, so I can't see him becoming able to tank the attacks.

So he's definetely not going to be T1, and to reach a 2nd turn, he'd have to be so stacked that it's quite impossible for any other partner to be still alive for it - meaning he'd also eat the normal attacks.

And now to the biggest flaw: If he get's thrown from T1, a enemy with a non-stacked, non-modded etc. yhwach+oetsu and/or hikifune will laugh at you 24/7 and even more so during PvE.


So, Yhwach - imo - is not a match-deciding char, since he's not immune to fury deduction nor the fastest (or close to).

Sidenote: TSI, Mugetsu and White Ichigo have higher Wisdom and WI even gets +10% def...TSI is faster than Yhwach with his +12% speed mod and his growth on Skill is higher.

Yhwach will surely come for 12k Gold... and personally I'd rather have a Senjumaru for that money..

EDIT: The only think I'd REALLY love to get Yhwach for is Hollow Soul map... but I'm too greedy to spend money for mods, so he wouldn't be that much of a help I guess.

Aristeaus

I_MIKE_I replied at 2015-12-8 23:40
His Shield is quite a mystery to me, the discription got changed quite a lot iirc.

However, the bo ...

His shield lasts more then a turn. It clears debuffs and prevents debuffs from effecting him. So even if he were say stunned, each attack has a chance of raising shields, unstunning him.

Now, 4.2 Widsom is plenty. He has really high growth rate on stamina, and the current meta is low % skill damage dealers. Having 50% Immune is not unrealistic, combined with stacked wisdom/str/stam/counter, it would be difficult for the supports to deal with him before he attacks. Once he attacks ( which would be before the opponents assaulters, as he is the fastest assaulter in the game ), he will regain 30% of his maximum HP, in addition to any other heal effects ( such as vampirism or revive ).

Assaulters that aren't Kido mains, are not likely to damage him a bunch, as his physical defense is going to be naturally through the roof + Senbonzakura's buff.

You still have your VG, so eating basic attacks is no big deal.

And no, WI, Mugetsu, and TSI are all slower then Ywach. Ywach has a 15% speed bond. He has 20% higher str growth rate then WI, which will provide more physical defense, but most importantly he has a insane heal. If you stacked him to 1 million HP, and he is under 500k, he heals for 300k per attack. That trumps almost any defense mod in the game, as it will by far provide more effective health.

Ywach will never be 12k gold. He will be 60k for a while, and slowly work his way down to Mugetsu range, which is where he rightfully should be. However, he will almost surely be the next Ultimate Charge freebie at 60k gold top up, which makes him very interesting, as you get Ywach, you are likely to get 1st place in Ultimate Charge, and you now have 130k+ gold to spend on his mods ( If they sell his mods in Anniversary, thats 12 level 12 stones + Tier 7 Modded Ywach ).

That amount of Self Heal is nothing to write off. That ability will be extremely powerful for the remainder of the game, and no one else is likely to get that mod, ever. Truthfully, I think Kirio spoiled us badly. We are all extremely jaded now. Had Kirio never happened, we would all be swooning over Ywach. I do think Kirio is still teh bestest, but Ywach is a viable counter if you put the work into him. Whether or not that is a beneficial to all potential strategies or not, is another story.