Pathway to gin mod soul

ShadowConsortium

shadarlo replied at 2016-5-24 10:35
This is terrible advice.  Sorry, it's just horrid advice.

Holmes really is not that good.  He's  ...

"If you're F2P, you will gimp yourself dramatically to go for Gin, instead of Kenny (or hollow arran) for 1.2 years of playing.  The first 1.2 years are the most critical time to do as much dmg as possible to keep up.  Once you've fallen behind, you will never catch up. "

That really only implies to players who don't know what they are doing. As for Holmes like I said in another topic much like this one. He is long term. Takes longer sure but just the fact he is the 'best' mod soul offers the 'best' stats...makes him well the 'best'. Your also forgetting the fact with the addition of mod soul pills in soul cult. (even though fragments should be bought over them) and the fact you can also buy mod pills daily at certain VIP ranks your numbers are kinda off.

Besides mod soul is there to tweak your character. If you have to relay on the speed and damage from the mod soul so you don't get behind? You really need to rethink your formation setup. It's like telling players to not buy Gose Deed for the housing upgrade. Long term the benitfits outweighs the time invested in getting it.

shadarlo

You can get 100% rebate. Thus by working directly towards Holmes is the height of stupidity as you get no advantage short of saving 1.6 cents/day but you dramatically gimp yourself.

And Holmes honestly is no better than gin for 3.5 years.  If you're still playing this game in 3.5 years, enjoy yourself, I won't be.  I want to get every advantage right now, especially when it comes with basically no downsides.  And even after 3.5 years, the difference in Holmes and Gin is TINY.

Your argument about using gold to buy pills doesn't change the math much at all.  It might drop the time from 3.5 years down to 3.2 years if you bought a LOT.  But even then, you should have just gotten Ken, then Gin and reset them along the way.

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shadarlo replied at 2016-5-25 02:03
You can get 100% rebate. Thus by working directly towards Holmes is the height of stupidity as you g ...

Never mind, I have done using pills on my druid mod soul, so I will get gin.

ShadowConsortium

shadarlo replied at 2016-5-24 13:03
You can get 100% rebate. Thus by working directly towards Holmes is the height of stupidity as you g ...

The difference is more of having the best then 2nd best really. The gains on any mod souls so really small regardless of type you pick and if you really need a mod soul to beat someone there is something wrong is what I'm getting at. Your math is way off regardless when for both of the souls required for Holmes to be Lv 80 is right around think it was 1 1/2.

As you said though there is no downsides to which one you pick but telling F2P to stick to one only is as you put it the "height of stupidity", making them lose 40% of the mod soul exp with every silver reset. Anyways since you can't really see the major difference between Gin, Ironman, Holmes I'll enlighten. Gin offers the lowest physical defense out of the 3 but the same amount of BP as Ironman, who offers the lowest kido defense. Holmes Offers the highest stats and much higher BP then the other 2.

You want the advantage "now", that is all great, but when offering someone advice you really should take into account they might not be thinking short term or even long term and basically give them all of the information and let them sort it out.

Ps. Resetting is actually 80% rebate via gold, Silver is 60% so branching out and planning on resetting eventually is money you could of spent on other things.
Reset Cost on a level 60 Batman (unlocked other required soul also - 51 days)

It's like saving prestige for Mugetsu easier to do if you focus on it, much longer and more of a pain in ass if you don't. Oh and I'll still be here until the game shuts down so, ya I'll enjoy my Holmes-Kon Thanks

Edit: Anyways the guy now has all of the correct information to base his choice on so ya. Should of been done in the first post really instead of this childish, "I have more information and your wrong" bullshit

shadarlo

ShadowConsortium replied at 2016-5-24 22:56
The difference is more of having the best then 2nd best really. The gains on any mod souls so reall ...

You're actually wrong.  I've done this.  I realize you think you know what you're talking about, you don't.

Gold gives 100% back.  I have confirmed this MYSELF with my own gold as have about a dozen others.

I can tell you 100% for certain that getting Gin takes 1 full year of playing (with buying a few extra pills).

Holmes requires level 90 Batman/Sakuragi, isntead of the lvl 80 you have already.  At 80, Batman requires 5707 xp to level to 81.  That is 11.6 days, if you do not buy any pills.  Even spending a good amount of gold doesn't drop that below 1 week.   The time goes up rather steeply every single level above 70, so I can imagine above 80 it's just as bad or even worse.  This means MINIMUM even with big gold spending, you're spending 25 weeks extra to get both those two mod souls from the 80 to 90.  More likely it's closer to 30-35 weeks since few people will spend that much gold.

So... 1 year to open up Gin.  1 year to open up Iron Man.  That's 2 years.  25-35 weeks to get Sakuragi + Batman to 90.  2.5 years as I said, just to get Holmes at level 1.  Yes, I know, there's a few tiny savings in there from crossover, but it's truly paltry... a few weeks at most, I've calc'd it and it's so low it doesn't even matter and isn't worth discussing.

In that time Gin will be level 100-110.  

Holmes gets a TINY stat boost over Gin and mostly in pdef.  In order to make up the lost Patk/Katk/Spd/HP from the drop from lvl 100 > 1 it would take MINIMUM 6 months, but in that time Gin would be closer to 115-120.  In reality it'd take closer to a full year if not 1.5 years to catch up to Gin's stat boost.


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Your argument they add so little.  If that'st he case, why are you wasting years of your time over a TINY boost?  That's just silly.

I get almost exactly 340,000 BP from my Gin at lvl 53.  At level 100 (which he'd be when you got holmes), I'd get 680,000 BP from him.

holmes, at 100, would likely give ~ 750,000 BP.  

That's simply not a big enough boost to be worth it difference in effort/lost time/etc to go straight for him.  However, of course, after 3.5-4 years playing this game, I will reset for 100% and get Holmes.... but I won't be playing then so it doesn't matter

ShadowConsortium

" why are you wasting years of your time over a TINY boost?  That's just silly."

I do not relay on the tiny boost they offer to win. I also rather have the best then 2nd or 3rd best. Just like why I got Gose, why I'm buying the zanpakutos from honor shop etc.. I'm here for the long term, your short term which is fine as well. In any case you rather get Gin so more power to ya. I want Holmes and really with him being the best he should take a bit longer then Gin, I'm completely fine with that and anyone else going for him or has him already due to buying pills which I do believe there is some players already with him will agree.

Just like most achievements, titles and the like some of us players do not care about time invested just the achievement of doing it before the rest of you. Prime example is my Ganju Project, you all laugh etc.. at least until you fight him then get pissed off that you can't beat or damage him. Have fun and always remember to wear protection.

shadarlo

ShadowConsortium replied at 2016-5-25 12:20
" why are you wasting years of your time over a TINY boost?  That's just silly."

I do not relay on  ...

But the question is, why on earth would you go DIRECTLY for him?  That's the mind blowing part.  If you are saying the best mod soul is the best, well yeah.... duh?    But you're saying... don't get the best mod soul now... WAIT WAIT WAIT and then get the same mod soul I'll get at the same exact amount of time... except you'll suck that much more the whole way.

And you keep saying the difference is tiny.  Yet it isn't as tiny as you say.  It's 10% of my BP and I'm pretty darn strong.  Not Kosmo level... but I'm in the top 10 of his CSB and do quite well in it.  If I had saved up instead my mod soul would be 3-4% of my BP at best.  I'd lose 200k BP and about 10% of my silver/xp intake from ES daily and I'd have been killing fewer waves on ryoka for a year.

The difference isn't earth shattering, but it does matter, more than you seem to think.  So gimping yourself when you're clearly not a F2P is pointless.

ShadowConsortium

shadarlo replied at 2016-5-25 12:39
But the question is, why on earth would you go DIRECTLY for him?  That's the mind blowing part.  I ...

Going off your join date I would of thought you'd know this by now. BP is really only a estimate of your power but just having a big number means next to nothing if your using a poor setup.

As for me, I make on average 100-150mil silver a day sometimes more, sometimes less. So clearly I'm doing something right and not gimping myself as you say. Newer "merged" Server which will be 6 months old in about 8 more days and I'm currently rank 17th in CSB using nothing but taverns. I play my way you have your own way, just leave it at that.

Shadow49999

shadarlo replied at 2016-5-25 12:39
But the question is, why on earth would you go DIRECTLY for him?  That's the mind blowing part.  I ...

lol mah nigga shardarlo is in top 10 of our csb whats your in game name mah nig and congratz for that I have no idea what my top rank is because I'm currently in the backs since I start at the bottom and theres these ppl with t1 isshins touching my cock.
id say around 70-80 though

shadarlo

ShadowConsortium replied at 2016-5-25 12:51
Going off your join date I would of thought you'd know this by now. BP is really only a estimate of ...

BP doesn't mean you'll win, always.  But when the BP is coming from patk, katk, spd and hp (which is where almost all mod soul hp comes from), it's a good sign to have more of it than less.  

You read a lot of forums and probably worship at the feet of people with 5+ million BP.  For extreme ultra high VIP 10+++ people, BP means VERY little.

For people under VIP10, BP does mean something.  And gimping yourself out of BP for no reason is just stupidity.

You're arguing opposing viewpoints.  From one you say Holmes is the best, so you have to have him.  Then you argue that mod souls provide tiny tiny benefit, so it doesn't matter.  They only provide tiny benefit to you because you have a craptastic one.  If you had a good one and weren't foolish, you'd realize they actually provide a fair bit of benefit.

Remove my mod soul and 1-2 people on my server alone who I beat regularly, would beat me 20-50% of the time more as they'd catch my Kiri in speed.  Yes, speed is that tight on my server.  3 of us are within 25k speed of each other and have been for 6 months now.  So while you might scoff at the small amount a mod soul gives, that's only because of your lack of experience and non-competitive server I can imagine.