Sado Vs Yachiru

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YagamiLi replied at 2014-12-22 18:06
no one has him so how would you know his base stats?

he's the only vg besides saijin that has a d ...

just click him in the comrade contract option, his hp growth is 3.1, and unfortunately, his talent is to increase his agility and damage rate, so yeah, if those two haven't used their fury, sajin is faaaaaaar tankier than him. might be good to get T1 fury to make him really useful vg, and maybe, some high level agi stone too

vinnny

sado is better he can tak a hit too
and he can dish rate back at you

Masqurane

dodge is better than block beacause it prevents fury attacks, but for dodge to work u need a lot of dodge spirit stones  which is practaclly impossible for non vips.
so for non vips sado is a better bet.
break def can only be improved by  spirit stones . so block is not easy to break
where as thats not the same for hit
if u can make dodge above 70% yachriu will work wonders other wise stick with sado who is always reliable .

Ragnos

I'd have to say Chad (Sado) he has and ability that increases his block, and combine that with the right equipment & stones make him a superb tank even without stones he is a good tank. Yachiru, has dodge yes, but is easily hit unless you have her decked out with dodge stones, but even if you do players will begin to place hit stones on assaulters canceling out most of the dodge rate that has been gained with stones.   

Shahadem

Ragnos replied at 2015-1-5 09:18
I'd have to say Chad (Sado) he has and ability that increases his block, and combine that with the r ...

But preventing them from using other stones instead.

If everyone used Chad then everyone would use break defense stones. If everyone uses Yachiru then everyone uses hit stones. This suggests that the better vanguard is the opposite of whichever vanguard is most popular on your server.

On mine the most popular is Yachiru because Chad is ugly. As are a lot of the Vanguards for no real reason. I have no idea why Shinji is the Vanguard, why Stark is a Vanguard instead of Haribel. A lot of the character types really don't make sense.
Nor does it make sense for Ikkaku to be a yellow assaulter when the manga makes it clear that he's only at a lieutenent's level even with his Bankai. Lisa should have been the level 80 assaulter not Ikkaku.

Aristeaus

Shahadem replied at 2015-1-12 22:19
But preventing them from using other stones instead.

If everyone used Chad then everyone would use ...

You keep saying really strange things.

Visored Shinji went toe to toe with Grimmjow, protecting Ichigo and Rukia. That is a Vanguard, in that particular chapter. Did you think his picture being a cut and paste from that scene was a coincidence?

Lisa is a Lt. She has always been a Lt. She has done far less then Ikkaku and she does not possess a known Bankai. Ikkaku has a rather powerful Bankai.

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this whole thing boils down to personal preference and what your formation needs...

Ragnos

Shahadem replied at 2015-1-12 22:19
But preventing them from using other stones instead.

If everyone used Chad then everyone would use ...

You have a good point. Good thinking ^^

Shahadem

Aristeaus replied at 2015-1-12 22:23
You keep saying really strange things.

Visored Shinji went toe to toe with Grimmjow, protecting I ...

Everyone goes toe to toe with their opponent. Bleach is all about one on one battles. So the concept of a Vanguard, Assaulter and Support is actually antithetical to the Bleach universe which is based on Reiatsu levels and nothing else. If your Reiatsu level is high enough, you won't take any damage from your opponent and will mess their face up when you hit them. Conversely if your Reiatsu is lower you won't be able to do crap and will get your face messed up when they hit you.

I'm not saying Shinji isn't strong in the manga. I'm saying that personality wise and Shikai/Bankai ability wise, he should be a supporter.

But Vizard Lisa is also strong too. She is able to one on one Haribel while she is using her vizard mask. She actually is the one who saves Hitsugaya. So she is able to surpass the level of a captain while she is using her vizard mask. We don't know how strong she is without her mask on. She might be at Komamura's level.

Whereas Renji and Ikkaku are both weaker than a captain even when using their bankais (pre-Lost Substitute Shinigami arc). Ikkaku is actually weaker than a lot of lieutenants even with his Bankai according to the events that happened immediately after the Soul Society arc where he gets his butt kicked by an arrancar even though he was the only one whose Reiatsu hadn't been restricted as he wasn't a lieutenant or captain. Their only purpose is to show us that being able to use bankai doesn't mean you are strong and also shows us that you can have bankai without needing to have the Reiatsu of a captain contrary to what Byakuya muses to himself during the Soul Society arc. And Rukia shows us that you can become a lieutenent while being weaker than most seated officers. Of course Rukia was cursed with girl parts which condemns her to being a completely weak and mostly useless character because heavens forbid a shonen series makes some attempt at achieving sexual equality.

Aristeaus

Shahadem replied at 2015-1-13 23:53
Everyone goes toe to toe with their opponent. Bleach is all about one on one battles. So the conce ...

There are countless non-1v1 fights. So... yeah. Also, reiatsu isn't everything. It means a great deal, but there are personal powers that effect that sort of thing. Cang Du has nearly indestructible skin, yet he isn't exactly rocking a lot of power. Gremmy, another human mind you, used his powers to protect him. Orihime, etc.

A number of Shinigami have shown that Reiatsu is also a detriment. Aizen almost died because of it. Yumichika is another one. etc etc.

Shinji did exactly what a vanguard does. I like how you ignored the fact that his VG picture is a EXACT copy of that particular scene as well.

Lisa didn't do jack to Harribel. At no point has she even remotely shown the ability to surpass a captain. Aizen saves Hitsugaya, not Lisa. Komamura is probably the strongest non-ichigo / Non-RG shinigami we have seen so far btw. I wouldn't go comparing imperfect hollow lt's to him.

Renji wasn't using his real Bankai. Ikkaku's Bankai broke after he used it the first time ( where he curb stomped his opponent ). Bankai has been stated dozens of times to make you 10 times stronger. The training required to even achieve it requires a immense amount of reiatsu, which was stated and directly contradicts your sentence regarding "not needing reiatsu of a captain".

Rukia's Shikai is probably the most powerful non-Yammaoto Shikai. Her Bankai is stupidly strong. Not quite sure what you are getting at, but you just keep saying things as if you stopped reading 2 years ago and haven't seemed to remember the conversations even from when you were reading.