Grimmjow Stats?

donnytran

maaaan renji have a first mod which gives an attack and also u dont know hollow soul

HalfW1ng

theguyinblack replied at 2015-1-17 09:21
maybe it's because of ur gear set, u r using 3 peaces of lv90 set & 3 peaces of lv80 set on Grimm, h ...

lol dude my renji is on lv 70 gear...

HalfW1ng

donnytran replied at 2015-1-17 13:35
maaaan renji have a first mod which gives an attack and also u dont know hollow soul

u guys are seriously blind to the damn issue 1st mod is 5% attack, yeah its not going to raise my attack by 4k.

Also when i took the pic he was doing ryoka , meaning he exchanged gear , meaning hollow souls were also exchanged.
Edit : The funny thing is hes stopped using grimmjow after i posted this thread , i dont know if he reads the forums or hes realised that grimm atleast his first form is a piece of crap.

nieverland

Well im bit upset because you only wanna see what you want so make some things clear with facts, ofc your Renji gonna have more att due to his mod+TALENT that i do some calculations and is increase str by a certain % wich is 15%

lets go to the facts we have a lv84 Lisa with 2.2str growth rate and talent of 15% more str and a lv84 Grimmy with grow rate 2.8str but w/o any talent that increase his str so his att is raw


So even  with low grow rate Lisa still have almost the same att due to her talent and Grimmy is close to her due to his high grow rate (both chars/stats are raw dont have something in)

So we gonna give to Grimmy an str accesorie that give 800str, and well just as planed the acc give 800att because his talent dont increase str, so we end with an Grimmy with 6184att+800att from the acc= 6984att



Then Lisa is next, we gonna give her the same acc +800 str but ohhh surprice this time give her +920 att= 120att more, then we gonna do some simple maths 120 of the extra att between 8 that is 1% of the 800att original
So 120/8= 15
Then Lisa talent gives +15% str, btw its the same talent Renji have, then we end with an Lisa with 6156att+800att from the acc+120att from her talent=7076att




Then we apply that to your nosense thread and weird comparation, ofc dont gonna be exact because we dont have all the facts we still need hogu/2 lvs more/infusions lv/gear/stones/hollow soul but you say thats a good comparation so lets go, we have a Grimmy lv85 w/o mods with 30671att and a lv87 Renji with 1 mod +5%att +15%str of his talent with 34809att



So we have an Grimmy with 30671att+6134.2(15%talent+5%mod=+20%)=we end with 36805.2att if Grimmy had the same mod and talent as Renji

So yeh you were right we are seriously blind to see the issue that the mod and talent cant rise the att 4K, we are so naive ,we most know that gonna be 6K

HalfW1ng

nieverland replied at 2015-1-17 16:38
Well im bit upset because you only wanna see what you want so make some things clear with facts, ofc ...

No you are not seeing the issue , Grimm does not have a 15% talent increase in str its his damage , so in theory he does have  36805.2 attack only its not shown.

The real issue here is if hes actually doing more damage , so renji has 34k attack and his skill is a 200% boost but not every turn , whereas grimm is 170%? and everyturn , but renji benefits from rukia and kiskue wherease grimm it does not matter if they are there or not.

If the actual damage values in the end is lower for grimm then he is still a failure.

I dont know how to calculate it if u could help me with the math would be nice.
Edit : Thankyou very much for the comparision with lisa appreciate it , i wanted people to share info like that to get to the bottom of this.

nieverland

HalfW1ng replied at 2015-1-17 16:51
No you are not seeing the issue , Grimm does not have a 15% talent increase in str its his damage , ...

Well even with Renji talent Grimmy have high grow rate that make the att cant have a lot of diference between them, i cant calculate the dmg rate atm because i need to do that with 2 chars with same stats but diferent dmg rate and i dont have that atm (i dont even play this game atm to be honest ) but thats pure dmg output, that need to be tested in ES and Ryoka, that is were that chars are made for IMO

lets made some simple calculations w/o crits, buffs or help just the chars alone in ES, 10 turns to make the best dmg you can.

Dmg by turns:

Renji: 100%, 200%, 100%, 100%, 200%, 100%, 100%, 200%, 100%, 100%= 1300%dmg based on att

Grimmy: 100%, 170%, 170%, 170%, 170%, 170%, 170%, 170%, 170%, 170%=1630%dmg based on att

So in the paper Grimmy dmg is better than Renji, + the att is easy to up but the dmg rate is dificult to up only Rank and high lv Gears increase dmg rate and 15% is a lot to be honest, + if some char activate combo(extra turn) on Grimmy he gonna do allways skill, and also Kisuke and Rukia increase Grimmy dmg: more fury = more dmg, at Ryoka late waves he gonna keep doing skill over and over as long vg survive, thats why Grimmy is a best choice than Renji and really close to Ken-chan IMO but i gonna do some tests maybe the next weekend to prove that
Btw i know Grimmy talent doesnt increase str is only to state as i said that the diference in att is only due to the mod+talent, and gonna be like that vs Ken-chan/Uryu/Ikkaku because they have that kind of talent so Grimmy att gonna be lower all the time with same stuff and prob the turns we have in ES are 9 but still is better Grimmy but as i said im on vacations of gogames game........... not forum

YagamiLi

nieverland replied at 2015-1-17 17:21
Well even with Renji talent Grimmy have high grow rate that make the att cant have a lot of diferen ...

im replacing ikkaku with panterra, i get extra rounds cuz of isshin.. sooooooooooo

if theres a mega diff ill post it :3
200x5 2000% growth >

cuz i get turn 1 fury too

moe moe moe kyun <3

nieverland

YagamiLi replied at 2015-1-17 19:52
im replacing ikkaku with panterra, i get extra rounds cuz of isshin.. sooooooooooo

if theres a meg ...

ofc gonna be, are you using Grimmy now or waiting till upgrade?? my friend is doing nice with my acc actualy, just told me he got 1st place today and 2 days ago at Ryoka, with 90mill told me?? 900mill i guess but yeh , anyway gz bro but as i said i only play here at forum now, gl with that Grimmy

TicklemyTit

nieverland replied at 2015-1-17 17:21
Well even with Renji talent Grimmy have high grow rate that make the att cant have a lot of diferen ...

remember that extra fury will give extra damage for the skill, so if we're saying that renji gets his 60 fury from rukia and kisuke and will attack once he will do a tiny bit more damage than 200%
but on the other hand with grimmjow he'll have 160 fury or more, so he'll do way more than 170% every turn because he will constantly have an extra 60 fury

TicklemyTit

nieverland replied at 2015-1-17 22:46
i wrote something like that bro, is in the more fury = more dmg part

sorry then, when there's a lot to read i just skim over a lot