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PAOFUI

i think another 2000 more plus minus...

CSB Aizen here i come... i think he is onli better bcoz he has minus fury... but its low chance n onli -10 fury

CSB Aizen
Talent: Increase 30% agility, with additional 10% immune rate and 7% combo rate.
Skill: Attack all enemy, amp 130%, low possibility reduce their fury point by 10 and stun them (3 turns).

overall his speed is slower than Shin Gin...

Shin Gin
Talent: Increase 45% agility, with additional 7% immune rate and 7% combo rate.
Skill: Attack all enemy, amp 120%, very low possibility to stun them (two turns), recover self fury by 100 and recover all allies fury by 25.

BUT ... CSB Aizen is FREE ... wakakakakakakakakakaka...

i wonder who has CSB Aizen ? anyone hav been spammin gold to get him ?

ajoalex

Aristeaus replied at 2015-1-17 12:21
How exactly is Tavern Gin the best for ES/Ryoka? He is pretty much garbage for those events. He ca ...

i ended tavern gin's topic with the agi stone sentence, the best was for shin gin. tavern gin i use only for pvp.
and yeah i was talking in totality esp w.r.t to the other event where people bought him which was around for 35k g i believe, i also mentioned its best to get him for free .


how is shin gin endgame ? imo he is a waste of support lane for pvp, i would rather have someone who deducts fury or a high stun in my support lane. unless he is for fun purpose(like how i got my nel and will be upgrading her), i dunno how shin gin can be used in a pvp setup, for me i would use him only in ES/ryoka . do let me know as i lack the game setup detail info as you do, i would love to know. thanks

Aristeaus

ajoalex replied at 2015-1-17 02:44
i ended tavern gin's topic with the agi stone sentence, the best was for shin gin. tavern gin i us ...

Gin is the best fury generator in the game. T1 Tav Urahara + T1 Gin = T1 everything. Same concept as rukia, but much much better.

Attack all's are way to undervalued in this game. 100% fury return is undervalued in this game. You get both here. 120% and a chance to stun every single turn is extremely powerful. He has the potential to perma lock entire teams. Forever. The likely hood of that happening is almost non-existent, but it is still quite good. His growth rates are some of the highest in the game as well as having a 45% agility talent.

In a 3-1-1 setup, Gin is the 2nd best #3 support you can find. While you do need control for lanes, you can get that with Shini Urahara and Tavern Gin, aside from Ultima Aizen, there is no better. Gin pairs very well with debuff effects, as it buys you more and more time to land those stuns and wittle away the opponent every turn.

In a 2-2-1 setup, Tavern Urahara T1 into Shinso Gin T1 is the best fury set up in the game.

You can use other things in place of him, like CSB Aizen ( who is vastly inferior to Shinso Gin ), but at the end of the day he is what you want.

As far as ES/Ryoka, he isn't that much better then Tavern Urahara. The difference is essentially 20% skill growth, and some stat growth. Nothing to write home about. His strength lies in hard PvE content and PvP.

If you every played UN, He is basically a copy of Outer Path Obito. Obito has 35% higher skill growth, but does not have stun chance. Other then that, they are very very close. Outer Path Obito is one of the stronger ninja in that game, and is a part of almost every VIP players formation, and they have access to some REDICULOUS characters over there.

ajoalex

Aristeaus replied at 2015-1-17 13:09
Gin is the best fury generator in the game. T1 Tav Urahara + T1 Gin = T1 everything. Same concept  ...

" chance to stun every single turn is extremely powerful." afaik support barely gets 1-2 chances against a strong opponent before the opponent main one shots the support.
next, if its not a strong opponent then the advantage that shin gin has over say tavern gin is not significantly high, i think a fury deducter lives more rounds than any other support in the game with the same gear, correct me if i am wrong here.

"In a 2-2-1 setup, Tavern Urahara T1 into Shinso Gin T1 is the best fury set up in the game."
this is good only for ES/ryoka, i wouldn't use shin gin for pvp, i would rather use tavern gin(or any other fury deducter) for pvp cos tavern gin reduces the chance of opp main doing skill (low chance of stunning both has so not discussing about this).

csb aizen vs shin gin in pvp, again i differ with you on this.
csb aizen
Talent: Increase 30% agility, with additional 10% immune rate and 7% combo rate.
Skill: Attack all enemy, amp 130%, low possibility reduce their fury point by 10 and stun them (3 turns).

shin gin
Talent: Increase 45% agility, with additional 7% immune rate and 7% combo rate.
Skill: Attack all enemy, amp 120%, very low possibility to stun them (two turns), recover self fury by 100 and recover all allies fury by 25.

cons of csb aizen over shin gin
-that 10 deduct fury is all one needs cos majority adds only the required number of fury for 100% fury, so 10 fury gone means no T1
-low stun vs very low stun(not sure if that actually matters), but if stun, then for 3 rounds vs 2 of shin gin

i am not sure here again why one would go for shin gin over csb aizen in pvp, do let me know cos i am going for csb aizen in the long run.

man, we really need more characters in this game, i am so waiting to get ryuken ishida(hoping him to be a crit+ assaulter , attack all enemies #bling)
Edit: Also my above analysis will go wrong if csb aizen has only a chance of deducting fury and not actually deduct fury, so would like to confirm that with someone

ajoalex

Aristeaus replied at 2015-1-17 13:09
Gin is the best fury generator in the game. T1 Tav Urahara + T1 Gin = T1 everything. Same concept  ...

in  3-1-1, isn't tavern gin and aizen a good combo, cos that would literally reduce fury and stun someone or the other in each assaulter n support lanes.

fablewings

Basically. If you have an arm to lose buy gin.

If you don't, spend 1-3 months getting Aizen.

The time you spend to get Aizen get a job.
Buy gin.

gr8nesh18

the more lvl u have the more u cant stun use tavern gin, same case like momo, shin gin = ura + gin + aizencsb.

PAOFUI

ajoalex replied at 2015-1-17 03:42
in  3-1-1, isn't tavern gin and aizen a good combo, cos that would literally reduce fury and stun  ...

Well... Tavern Gin n Tavern Aizen does wonders too... esp both with T1...

So a 2 2 1 formation is good wit them both in which i hav....

Deduct fury plus stun... means high chance opponent crippled...

Thts y i m waitin for CSB Aizen... since i m not too far away from gettin him....

But i ll still get Shin Gin when he gets cheaper... for my 1 3 1 formation...

As for Fury booster yeah... Shin Gin is good to replace Kisuke... or u might wanna use both to

Further save on fury stones...

battletag

money money money

all they want is our money

when people pay gogames get greedy and think everyone can do it

i agree with OP statement

watman

We're entitled to our own opinions and what we think is best.
And I think shin is the best fury regen partner available.

I beat Espada #2 middle mob 5-man, because Shin stunned the supports.
I cleared the solo fight with Shin Yoru; her invulnerability is amazing.
Third solo fight I was kido main, so Barragan barely tickled.
Shin Gin stunned a few once again in the team fight, so I breezed through.
I'm level 89.

Espada #1 first hits wayyy too hard for me right now ='[


I don't know what you mean when you say Shinso Gin isn't end-game; he's amongst the fastest end-game characters.
The mods will take a while, but the potential is there, and they get easier as you get stronger.  I didn't think I could pass stage 10 on shini yoru, but I have done that now.
Slowly moving on to stage 15.
Shin Gin is momo/kisuke/aizen all in one.  Only thing missing is fury reduction, which if Shin Gin was given, he'd be broken.

I don't know about you, but I like being able to skill every other turn, hence why I've always kept Rukia.  
I replaced Rukia t1 into t1 main and t1 shini yoru with Shin Gin t1 into t1 main, because Shin Gin is simply more powerful.
And Rukia's speed was capping my main and shini yoru's speed too low.  Rukia has no speed talent, and it was hard to keep her faster than my main/yoru even with +18% speed from Hyorinmaru...