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author: Uciffer4 time: 2015-4-26 18:23:15 Title: CSB Byakuya, Yamaji or Ulquiorra R2

Hi guys
Im here cuz i need a support killer and those 3 guys are the ones that i think are the best (at least that i could get). My team is Urahara, Daiguren toshiro - Main, Shini yoruichi - Stark.

My idea is to replace Shini yoruichi. I think she is great, but damn i have the worst luck with his skill and in order to improove my pvp i think an Aoe skill would help me a lot.

Ulquiorra and Byakuga are free characters and yamaji is 20k gold + 30k spend, but ill Top up to get Shinso gin so please dont use to be a free character as a pro.

In terms of Growth rate i think Yamaji is the best, he has 0.1 more in strenght than CBS byakuga + his talent gives more Str +12% damage rate (i never saw Ulquiorra R2 growth rate) + ignite and more hax.

CSB Byakuya have good growth rates, but his talents are focused in Speed (remember i want support killer so more damage is better), but his skill gives the chance to atack again which means more fury to skill faster and his skill is 20% higher in damage than Yamaji.

Ulquiora R2, this guy is who gives me more troubles. I think his skill + talent are the best in this case, 170% + ignite 50%+ 38 fury +talent which gives more Str than Yamaji and 10% damage rate. Problem here is i dont know his growth rates and maybe Yamaji haxes would help me more than i think.

What do you guys think?

author: [email protected] time: 2015-4-26 18:59:10

Why not simply go Ishiin than? I heard he's a beast

author: Uciffer4 time: 2015-4-26 19:04:55

[email protected] replied at 2015-4-26 18:59
Why not simply go Ishiin than? I heard he's a beast

Because he atack assaulters. I need a support killer, also if u use Isshin i think 1-3-1 formation is a must, and i dont have enought Str stones to make a new assaulter.

author: shieldandsword time: 2015-4-26 19:14:07

Whos yamaji

author: BurakCinar time: 2015-4-26 19:20:20

shieldandsword replied at 2015-4-26 19:14
Whos yamaji

yamamoto lol

author: shieldandsword time: 2015-4-26 19:23:34

BurakCinar replied at 2015-4-26 18:20
yamamoto lol

Oh.........

author: [email protected] time: 2015-4-26 21:51:02

Edited by [email protected] at 2015-4-26 21:56

Uciffer4 replied at 2015-4-26 19:04
Because he atack assaulters. I need a support killer, also if u use Isshin i think 1-3-1 formation ...

If you are looking for a anti-supporter, neither of the 3 are worth it since they are basicly aoe beasts. I mean if you'r planing to be able kill whole team in 1 turn, most likely you will win that specific player without any strategy anyway.

If i were at your place i would look for either shini Kisuke or Aizen. Shini kisuke is a nightmare for supporters and has amazing speed, while aizen can screw whole team alone if he launch his skill first.

Out of the 3 you mentioned, i'd say Byakuya cuz of growth and speed debuff. But he will take a loot of time to get. Altrough i dont have any of these 3, so that is just my theory and this game often spit on theories..

author: BurakCinar time: 2015-4-26 21:56:48

byakuya for sure... yamaji deals the most dmg, but not very hard to outspeed him with supports with agility buff.

author: Judge_Spawn time: 2015-4-26 22:23:20

[email protected] replied at 2015-4-26 18:59
Why not simply go Ishiin than? I heard he's a beast

IF and thats a *BIG IF* Cause my formation Stops ATKers.
I make sure my Speed is Buffed.

but once he got first he is a Monster

author: ajoalex time: 2015-4-27 03:07:26

BurakCinar replied at 2015-4-27 06:56
byakuya for sure... yamaji deals the most dmg, but not very hard to outspeed him with supports with ...

both csb.byakuya and isshin have 244% agility+ in the treasure, the next fastest i have is t.aizen with 232% agi+ . so yeah either a strong csb.byakuya or isshin+AOE-assaulter will do the trick of finishing the supporters.

both has its challenges, csb.bya should have lotsa high lvl str stones to kill support lanes and isshin and AOE-assaulter needs agi stones on both of them to be able to do the extra turns without anyone interrupting them in between.

author: Brahmastra time: 2015-4-27 03:19:15

I'd go for Yamamoto just for his skill effect. Sure being faster or some higher growth rates is nice and all.. but once you get to the point where you fight 2-3 rounds Yama kicks in and he goes wayyyy beyond Bya or Ulq.
Source: August

author: Aquivix time: 2015-4-27 03:20:46

Brahmastra replied at 2015-4-27 09:19
I'd go for Yamamoto just for his skill effect. Sure being faster or some higher growth rates is nice ...

Haha, thanks ;)

author: Brahmastra time: 2015-4-27 03:23:50

Aquivix replied at 2015-4-27 03:20
Haha, thanks ;)

oh shit senpai noticed me!!

author: Aquivix time: 2015-4-27 03:38:29

Brahmastra replied at 2015-4-27 09:23
oh shit senpai noticed me!!

No, no, I haven't earned that title yet. I'm still only a consistent #3 in CSB. Don't pay gold to get more points unlike others so I fall behind. One one-man tank team constantly spends to stay on top.

author: BurakCinar time: 2015-4-27 05:54:03

Brahmastra replied at 2015-4-27 03:19
I'd go for Yamamoto just for his skill effect. Sure being faster or some higher growth rates is nice ...

????? if u face a csb bya with ur yamaji and most likely csb bya will go first, that speed reduction will make him slower then gin most likely (if we assume the enemy is as high spender as aquivix is).. its very easy to counter yama players, sorry but he's slow as hell.

author: Curls88 time: 2015-4-27 06:02:26

CSB Bya > Yamaji > Ulqu R2 = PvP

Ulqu R2 > Yamaji > CSB Bya = PVE

the only nice thing about Ulq and yamaji they can dmg other partners for extra dmg.. but that wont help much if ur partner attacks first.. attacking first can make you win most of the times if ur team equals ur enemy team or little weaker.

author: Aquivix time: 2015-4-27 06:14:28

BurakCinar replied at 2015-4-27 11:54
????? if u face a csb bya with ur yamaji and most likely csb bya will go first, that speed reducti ...

True, and with Isshin, even higher speeds can be attained to counter. Of course, my end goal is a far ways away, but it's coming closer to fruition each and every day.

author: BurakCinar time: 2015-4-27 06:48:13

Aquivix replied at 2015-4-27 06:14
True, and with Isshin, even higher speeds can be attained to counter. Of course, my end goal is a ...

oh yes for sure. ive seen your team, it looks damn awesome and can be much better! but in aspects of pvp csb bya have the slight advantage

author: Leitzur time: 2015-4-27 06:56:30

Curls88 replied at 2015-4-27 18:02
CSB Bya > Yamaji > Ulqu R2 = PvP

Ulqu R2 > Yamaji > CSB Bya = PVE

can poison and ignite affect ES/ Ryoka?

author: Curls88 time: 2015-4-27 07:00:28

Leitzur replied at 2015-4-27 05:56
can poison and ignite affect ES/ Ryoka?

Nope but their dmg is higher than csb bya .. I said it's nice to ignite enemies about pvp not pve

author: Aquivix time: 2015-4-27 07:02:05

BurakCinar replied at 2015-4-27 12:48
oh yes for sure. ive seen your team, it looks damn awesome and can be much better! but in aspects ...

I have to agree. His growth rate is much higher. All depends on what is available for use on stones/hogu and such.

author: Uciffer4 time: 2015-4-27 07:12:29

What if Mods would be avaiable? (at some point they will be)

author: kosmik time: 2015-4-27 07:58:37

Leitzur replied at 2015-4-27 06:56
can poison and ignite affect ES/ Ryoka?

don't use poison zanpak can't speak to that but R2 uliq does ignite ES/Ryok, mine ticks maybe 200kish during ES whenever it decides to tap me for 5 damage.

author: [email protected] time: 2015-4-27 08:14:07

Curls88 replied at 2015-4-27 06:02
CSB Bya > Yamaji > Ulqu R2 = PvP

Ulqu R2 > Yamaji > CSB Bya = PVE

agreed

author: King_Akaba time: 2015-4-27 11:55:38

Edited by King_Akaba at 2015-4-27 11:58

I don't get why you'd even want to kill the supports right away because if you simply got a shini urahara to skill first he'd silence any enemy supports 100% of the time and if you got his crit all the way up he'd skill every turn and since I believe no one has immune to silence as of right now ( I know that some characters get it in their late mods) he seems like the best option.

author: kosmik time: 2015-4-27 21:27:51

http://bleachjf.gametrees.com/fightreport/?rid=1746631485484889&aid=54&t=1

yep, silence supports, 2 aoe's.

author: DeEmEn time: 2015-4-27 22:22:20

why not get 2 of them?

author: [email protected] time: 2015-4-28 00:08:02

at high end you want support killers

... support who stack SS with counter and block gonna be painful for u

Byakuga perfer with his -10 agi reduce

author: Xcution12 time: 2015-5-2 12:50:57

y nt go with all 3?

author: selene0818 time: 2015-5-2 12:51:04

Xcution12 replied at 2015-5-2 11:50
y nt go with all 3?

agree... bya and ulquiorra are free and if you were planning on buying yamaji....

author: Uciffer4 time: 2015-5-2 12:59:02

I decided to go for Ulqui-chan and CSB Kempachi. Since yamaji is not worth ill use my money to get a free lv 110 set

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