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author: TheGoldenFlash    time: 2015-9-5 12:55:08     Title: 2-2-1 vs 1-3-1(for end game) for kido main

Jades are not the problem, I can get hozukimaru for it too, vip0.
author: Nick2929    time: 2015-9-5 12:57:02

wheres the, depends on your formation, option
author: TheGoldenFlash    time: 2015-9-5 13:05:24

I am lvl 57, so I can have any character I want it future, but don't know what kind of formation to build.
author: Mattrat1    time: 2015-9-5 13:07:07

it depends on what partners u decide to use for the rest of then end game. I prefered 1-2-2 the most since it's very balanced and easy and good.
author: Nick2929    time: 2015-9-5 13:23:28

i use 1-3-1    white ichi, isshin, cute ori, and sajin.  all depends on what you run.
author: TheGoldenFlash    time: 2015-9-5 13:43:47

For vip0 like me csb kenpachi would be best character for pve
author: bwg2469    time: 2015-9-5 13:45:30

Is there a end game for VIP 0? Game looks like it was designed for you to be at least vip 6 to progress pass 130.
author: benoit-jr    time: 2015-9-5 13:48:10

kido is rlly good just i not know how power up my physical def .....that is important for my character thx give me a solution
author: WhiteAutumn    time: 2015-9-5 14:42:06

benoit-jr replied at 2015-9-5 13:48
kido is rlly good just i not know how power up my physical def .....that is important for my charact ...

stength spirit stones helps with defense and theres always tho hogyo place thats great on defense as well
author: Suzuken    time: 2015-9-5 14:43:58

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.... start think about endgame when you hit lvl 110 man now just focus on getting your reiatsu to lvl 35 ........
author: bwg2469    time: 2015-9-5 14:52:33

Suzuken replied at 2015-9-5 11:43
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author: BurakCinar    time: 2015-9-5 14:56:42

it depends if youre a spender or not. but 1-2-2 or 1-1-3 is the most reliable formation when it comes to control/speed for f2p.

p2p is completely different where it matters who has the most money to toss in for stones ;)
author: Brahmastra    time: 2015-9-5 15:18:36

You shouldn't worry about endgame right now.. get to level 110+ first then look at your opponents formation, partners, gold usage etc.
Though on lower levels a 1-3-1 formation is pretty good while mid/high levels a 2-2-1 becomes better due to more balanced partners.

The only goal you should have right now is to save up coupons to get your first T1 through Urahara. The faster you get Urahara with his last mod the easier everything becomes.
author: benoit-jr    time: 2015-9-5 16:30:30

srry man im lv83 and reitsu is lv 41 and spirit stone is too use
author: Xallog    time: 2015-9-5 16:33:05

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author: ryujikun18    time: 2015-9-5 18:42:10

TheGoldenFlash replied at 2015-9-5 13:43
For vip0 like me csb kenpachi would be best character for pve

im vip9 but the account's gold was used for stones and barlog gear dude was stupid with his gold i use a 1-2-2 formation tavern gin aizen hollow ichigo and kenpachi fixing to get csb byakuya i have 1.3million bp when my friend quit his account had like 400k bp name is josekaka18
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-9-5 19:07:33

if you are using senbon, go with a 1-3-1 since he buffs vang and assaulters, hyonimaru buffs vanguard so it doesnt matter.. I myself am going to end up not using a vanguard with a 0-3-2 formation with tensa. 1 support is ok to have but having 2 prevents ur team getting cascada'd
author: MylarHyrule    time: 2015-9-5 22:58:48

Edited by MylarHyrule at 2015-9-5 23:09

okay,  1-3-1 for vip0 is silly.  first off you will need at least 6 partners in your up to date party to be competitive in both pvp and pve.  with kido main you will want a 1-2-2 party with another assaulter to swap in for your vang in Ryoka and ES as all free zanpactos nerf your vang's attack.  1-1-3 partys will require you to get 4 kido weapons and that is just insane when you can replace that weapon with a different one.  TBH if i was F2P and starting over, i'd ignore pvp all together and focus on killing ryokas and ES as that is where most of thereward for F2P is found. SWP grimjaw(or even SWP renji as he's the only one VIP0 can upgrade), renji, rukia, ikkaku, kensai(really a waste of gold reshi IMO), kenpachi, kieske.  these are the partners you will want to look at next IMO.  high damage, fury building, ryoka killers.  more ryoka kills+more damage on ES=more silver/stones/souls=more power=more partners=more fun...  real fun? start to one hit ryokas....   once you start to one hit ryokas, your guaranteed massive kills every day!!  will it piss off your peeps?  yup.  do you care?  nope.  most of them will quit anyway.  after your server gets merged you will get thrown in a shark tank!!  take your time to build up ASAP!!  ryoka and ES build you up quicker.  you want end game?  be the shark, have your fill.  either you pay to win, or play to win...   last but definatly not least...  DO NOT BUY A ZANPACTO!!  KAZESHINI IS AMAZING AND FREE,  ZABIMARU IS AMAZING AND FREE!!  if your buying one, Sode, Sogyo, Muramasa, Zangetsu, Tensa, Senbon...  these are the only ones you should ever look at ever unless it is for the task to upgrade 15 zans past bankai!!  trust me,  you get kazeshini durring main quest (level 65 i think) and he is AMAZING!!!
author: tytheboy    time: 2015-9-6 03:04:37

benoit-jr replied at 2015-9-5 13:48
kido is rlly good just i not know how power up my physical def .....that is important for my charact ...

if you get physical defence hogyoku just lvl it up ALOT!!!
or you could add some strenght stones to him/her (my advise give them to your physical partners in early game)
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-9-8 21:18:11

I have no clue.. i converted from 2-2-1 to 1-3-1 a long time ago back when I was like lvl 70 and had T1 Full Mod Rukia.. latter replaced by full mod Urahara @lvl100.. later replaced by shinso gin @lvl110.. and my main is kido.. 1-3-1 it's very doable and is more balanced than 2-2-1 IMO.. 2 str 2 kido and 1 mixed van.. VS 3 Kido 1 str 1 tank.. I feel like people forget that ALL supporters are Kido.. so with a kido main it's actually more balanced to have a 1-3-1..
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-9-8 21:25:55

Edited by [email protected] at 2015-9-8 21:27
MylarHyrule replied at 2015-9-5 22:58
okay,  1-3-1 for vip0 is silly.  first off you will need at least 6 partners in your up to date part ...

FALSE.. 1-3-1 is a universally good PVP and PVE formation and like any formations they are based on the partners(Which is an EZ swap using Exchange all button) you have. You just spouted nonsense about PVE and swaping out tank? What kind of low level pve are you doing? lolwat.. If you don't have a tank past like lvl50(ballpark) ryoka your formation dies.. I wish you would come on my server where we hit Wave 69-70 every night with no tank in your formation; I'll be looking for your damage on the rankings.. wait nevermind it only goes up to 10th and you wouldn't make it that high without a tank.

And without a POWERFUL tank.. 1-1-3 is even worse.. thats full kido.. maybe you can do ok in pvp with that, but you're going to be gawd awful in PVE unless you go the EXPENSIVE route of having 2 formations worth of gear.. Because putting Wis gear on Str Assulters doesnt work.
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-9-8 21:35:48

Brahmastra replied at 2015-9-5 15:18
You shouldn't worry about endgame right now.. get to level 110+ first then look at your opponents fo ...

Brah.. I'm going to disagree.. His main is kido.. A 2-2-1 would imbalance is team's offensive presence outside of soul map, and that's only because of utility reasons.. That would give him 3 kido users, and two non-offensive ones at that..

I don't know how to explain because I started off VIP4, but I did try the 2-2-1 for a while and it became outclassed by 1-3-1 the closer I got to endgame things. It also made partner swapping easier since grand majority of your partners are going to be physical Assaulters.. and anytime I needed an extra support I just put my tank gear(since i run wis and str) on my extra support and ran a 2-3. I don't anymore tho.. My current support is Shinso and I don't see a reason to run another supporter lol.. Hyper offense formation!
Shinso, Sexy Yoru, Yama, Main, and my Van is S.Rangiku.. (My assaulter is based on my mood, sometimes I throw in Shin Yoru, White Ichigo, Isshin lol)
author: moongoatie    time: 2015-9-9 09:27:06

[email protected] replied at 2015-9-8 21:25
FALSE.. 1-3-1 is a universally good PVP and PVE formation and like any formations they are based on ...

You're wrong there, my assaulters don't die at wave 70 and I can 1 hit till wave 64 with 2-3-0. I usually reach around 4b dmg. IMO 1-3-1 is a formation for heavy spenders. Low vips or f2p can stick with 1-2-2 and balance everything.
author: MylarHyrule    time: 2015-9-9 11:11:55

Edited by MylarHyrule at 2015-9-9 11:48
[email protected] replied at 2015-9-8 21:25
FALSE.. 1-3-1 is a universally good PVP and PVE formation and like any formations they are based on ...


Way to troll you jerk,  First off,  yes,  after wave 50 you do need to usually add a vang.  HOWEVER, the poster is not yet in level 70 tavern, so wave 50 is insane to even talk about as he is not even one hitting wave 1 yet.  second,  given the fact that he almost defiantly does not have Tensa, nor Senbon, the highest damage party you can have is without a vanguard.  Third,  I am level 93, and see on averave of wave 66 in ryoka, and one hit kill through wave 50, and at wave 53, I put in my vang. My party is Main, Isshin, Shinzo Gin, Dark Rukia, Soph Rangiku/Sexy Yourichi depending on needs. My average damage is 470M.  I understand that I am by no means amazing in any way on these forums, but my advice was given to someone not yet in level 70 tavern and to someone most probably using Zabi as his pve zan at best.  Of course if you have tensa or senbon and are level 90+, my advice probably does not apply to you.  I would post a pic, but don't feel like being accused of photoshop,  so check it out.  my server is 161, my name is the same here as there, and I'm a quincy,  come join our server,  be a quincy, and i'll make sure you have a spot in my guild.  you can come see for yourself.    And the reason I suggest 0-3-2 (or 2-3-0 depending on your orientation) is because it is much easier to swap between a vang and assaulter than it is a support and a vang. Also, to your arguments on int stones, MOST supports aren't there for the damage,  only for the effects they create, so having lesser stones on them is not that big of a deal...   Thanks a bunch and please have a nice day!!
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-9-11 01:33:32

Edited by [email protected] at 2015-9-11 01:35
MylarHyrule replied at 2015-9-9 11:11
Way to troll you jerk,  First off,  yes,  after wave 50 you do need to usually add a vang.  HOWEVE ...

I'm not trolling.. I've been playing for 11months.. and my best advice is to prep for your future formations so you waste less resources..

So, calling me a jerk is misplaced, noob.
Also, for a spender and assuming your main is kido... you made poor choices.
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-9-11 01:38:07

moongoatie replied at 2015-9-9 09:27
You're wrong there, my assaulters don't die at wave 70 and I can 1 hit till wave 64 with 2-3-0. I  ...

What's your BP out of curiosity?
author: moongoatie    time: 2015-9-11 05:19:34

[email protected] replied at 2015-9-11 01:38
What's your BP out of curiosity?

1.5m bp vip5
author: MylarHyrule    time: 2015-9-11 08:12:33

[email protected] replied at 2015-9-11 01:33
I'm not trolling.. I've been playing for 11months.. and my best advice is to prep for your future f ...

my main is not kido,  and most of my people have not yet been payed off   I just got them on last limited lease and am slowly paying them off so they are not very evolved yet.   I was VIP 4 at that time, and since last limited lease i only top up like $30 a week to pay off the people.   Now i may have been harsh as i felt you picked up what i said and insulted me greatly.  The fact is.  Those at the top of the pack get more rewards than you waste to play catch up to them.  The secret to be powerful in this game is start strong, stay on top, and enjoy the $25 a day rewards the game gives you for free.  It sounds like your trying to tell this guy that destroying in ES and Ryoka are not needed.  It sounds like your trying to tell him that before you can get to wave 25 in Ryoka, with a normal Zanpacto to use your Vangard in these events.  It sounds like your telling him that you get the same rewards from the pvp game than you do from the pve game,  so based on all this, of course it sounds to me like you have no idea what your talking about.  oh, and i know you didn't ask  me.  but I'm VIP6,  BP of 677k  level 93  ranked 9th in arena (because my pride doesn't want me to be a slave,  i could get 8th) and I one hit kill to wave 50 in Ryoka.  My event partners are not at all modded yet, and are only level 3 evo,  like i said, I've only had them about 2 or 3 weeks now i think.  i'll be sure to keep you posted on my stuff as they mature some.  My calling you a jerk was based on the fact you blatantly and openly insulted me for giving my opinion to this person.  You attacked me.  And your still attacking me.
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-9-11 11:42:09

Edited by [email protected] at 2015-9-11 11:50
MylarHyrule replied at 2015-9-11 08:12
my main is not kido,  and most of my people have not yet been payed off   I just got them on last  ...

Let me explain something to you.. KIDO main is VERY different from Physical main. IF a KIDO main runs a 2-2-1 HIS TEAM IS PHYSICALLY WEAK in PVP and KIDO IS WEAK in PVE because SUPPORTERS are WEAK compared to ASSAULTERS.

I, unlike you, have a KIDO main. I'm telling him purely from experience. If you can't pay attention to what the OP specifically said for HIS situation then don't drop your 2 sense based on what you've done with your Physical main.
And some quick FYI..

I'm #1 in arena on Server 88.
I have 2.1M BP, 2.8M PVP BP
My main is Kido 500k BP by itself.
I have 2 Physical Assaulters in the form of Sexy Yoruichi and Yamamoto 400K BP each for PVP
My Vanguard is S.Rangiku 370K BP (BLOCK, DODGE, and COUNTER CAPPED 900K Health outside of Arena)
My supporter is shinso gin 430k BP

For Ryoka when I feel like being a try-hard I swap in SWP Kenpachi for S.Rangiku, and either Isshin, White Ichigo, or CSB Kenpachi for Yamamoto, as well as Dark Rukia for Shinso, and Sogyo for Zangetsu.

Again.. I have been doing this for a really long time and for KIDO a 2-2-1 isn't balanced. His best bet is still 1-3-1 it's cost effective for PVE and PVP on kido.
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-9-11 11:52:44

moongoatie replied at 2015-9-11 05:19
1.5m bp vip5

I'm going to assume your server is nearly empty then.. Because I have a way better team than you and I only hit 3.5 BIL on a server that has roughly 20 active people doing Ryoka and we don't get a chance for multiple hits on each wave til wave 57ish.. on top of the fact that we miss every other wave because people are killing faster than the rest timer.
author: MylarHyrule    time: 2015-9-11 16:28:53

Edited by MylarHyrule at 2015-9-11 16:33
[email protected] replied at 2015-9-11 11:42
Let me explain something to you.. KIDO main is VERY different from Physical main. IF a KIDO main ru ...


my 2 sense...  you mean my 2 cents?    lol   your funny bro...   and if you payed attention to the question,  he's f2p, maybe in the future he will be low VIP...   also,  like you said, MOST kido partners are very weak, so your stones for them won't interfere with your main's stones...   just saying you prick  go enjoy your overpriced game.  Oh, one last thing,  top in my server...  BP is 2.1M,  they average 4B damage in Ryoka...  and they run a 1-2-2 with a kido main...  so many people with much less BP than you that deal sooo much more damage...   but then again...  we are all stupid and your the king...    Like my father used to tell me...   Son, if everyone else is stupid and fucked up maybe you should look at yourself...    then again, maybe not
author: moongoatie    time: 2015-9-11 19:05:29

[email protected] replied at 2015-9-11 11:52
I'm going to assume your server is nearly empty then.. Because I have a way better team than you an ...

Around 12 ppl that 1 hit around 51. Top 5 that 1 hit till 60. The fact that you mentioned that you got way better team than mine and as I saw you are about 600k bp higher than me, and you can't figure out how assaulters can survive till wave 70, then you're doing something wrong.

Since you mentioned the OP above, you should keep in mind that he is f2p. f2p/low vip pvp is about controlling teams. If you think a f2p player can get higher speeds on assaulter line than on support, then I won't even bother to continue the argument.

Your perspective is correct, but on a totally different end game.
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-9-11 20:07:00

Edited by [email protected] at 2015-9-11 20:09
MylarHyrule replied at 2015-9-11 16:28
my 2 sense...  you mean my 2 cents?    lol   your funny bro...   and if you payed attention to the ...

OR maybe.. on my server everyone is on average stronger than the people on your server... you can only get in so many hits.. clown. If we only had 10 people I could have well over 4 Bil damage. I get 3.5Bil + on a competitive server where MULTIPLE people are at around 1.5M  BP..

Think about it logically.. if 15 people can 1 hit til about lvl 57 and you only get to attack every other wave how can I achieve my max? I can't.. I hit 3.5Bil and the next closes hit's almost 2Bil and the next 3 hit 1.5Bil.. etc.. do the math.. More people = less possible damage per wave.. and guess what.. Your top guy could do more damage with a 1-3-1 and be equally effective in pvp as well.

I don't even have to change my partners to hit 3Bil damage.. all i do is swap my skill from 10 to 8.. Like I said.. I'm trying to give this man the best possible advice for current lowbie gameplay while setting him up for a solid future, but if you want to keep on debating it, by all means..
And KAZESHINI makes it pretty easy to make assulters faster than support.. but you only need 1 support anyways.. its far easier to just run anti stun skill and offensive 1-3-1 than it is to run a 2-2-1 and focus on controlling.
author: dolahina    time: 2015-9-12 04:40:06

author: moongoatie    time: 2015-9-12 05:24:47

[email protected] replied at 2015-9-11 20:07
OR maybe.. on my server everyone is on average stronger than the people on your server... you can o ...

Only one supp needed? You got a supp that has fury reg/stun/aoe, while tavern choices are one of these 3
And you compare the 6% bonus from kaze with 15% agi talents and 8% speed modify that tavern supports have, okay. As I said, I won't even bother to continue the argument
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-9-12 11:36:55

Edited by [email protected] at 2015-9-12 11:44
moongoatie replied at 2015-9-12 05:24
Only one supp needed? You got a supp that has fury reg/stun/aoe, while tavern choices are one of t ...

Yeah you only need 1.. I used Rukia and later Kisuke as a sole Support.. There's no need for stun if you play the... "I'm faster T1 Game", which is pretty much PVP past level 70.. First one to attack wins..  It's more cost effective and less resource heavy. You can get free fury stones from Reio and you only need 4 Basic for Rukia and 5 for Kisuke.

I was TOP 5 since day 1 on my server, yeah I started off 2-2-1.. awesome.. but at lvl 70 when my Rukia was full mod.. I painfully switched to 1-3-1.. I used Tavern partners for months before I got my first Event partner(Shin Yoru).. so don't hand me that "Tavern" BS..
And Kazeshini is 18% speed to Assulters and 12% to support, so what are you talking about?
author: moongoatie    time: 2015-9-12 11:57:48

18%-12%=6% difference, that's what I meant. And yeah t1 kisuke +t1 gin will be much better for a low vip/f2p, cause u ll never land ur skills on 1-3-1. A vague example is my main with my best agi stuff got 195k speed, same on gin/aizen can get 220k for fun
author: MylarHyrule    time: 2015-9-12 19:11:20

[email protected] replied at 2015-9-12 11:36
Yeah you only need 1.. I used Rukia and later Kisuke as a sole Support.. There's no need for stun i ...

done with arguement...  did you just say you need 4 basic fury stones to T1 rukia, and 5 basic fury stones to T1 Kieske?!?!?    I mean,  really?    surely i misunderstood...  please let me know what i'm missing, as my understanding of T1 is it's a VIP game and one i'm working to get into...   like...   the number i was thinking was over 100 of them (combined into 6 of course)
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-9-12 20:31:35

Edited by [email protected] at 2015-9-12 20:42
MylarHyrule replied at 2015-9-12 19:11
done with arguement...  did you just say you need 4 basic fury stones to T1 rukia, and 5 basic fur ...

Yes you read correctly.. Modified Rukia and Kisuke both have an Initial Fury mod.. Rukia only gives to Assulters and Kisuke gives to all.. Rukia is able to fully mod at lvl70 and Kisuke is lvl100.. any other partner does require a lot of them.. There's serveral ways..
However u need a few extra so that your partners proct.. You need a few fury stones on each partner as well for them to benefit..

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