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author: noctustheking time: 2015-10-28 18:20:23 Title: I dont understand hikifunes invincibility

Edited by noctustheking at 2015-10-28 18:22

http://bleachjf.gametrees.com/fi ... d=54&t=1&lang=en_US

http://bleachjf.gametrees.com/fightreport/?rid=2832253204911529&aid=54&t=1&lang=en_US
^^
watch TSI get blocked twice clearly with invincibility still on

ok so i know that when you are invincible a block cant hurt you right?
well when hikifune makes you invincible and you attack and get blocked you still take the block damage before the invincibility wears off
i provided an example in the battle report
my main gets blocks and killed by nozarashi while invincibility is still on however towards the end even hikifune gets blocked but she does not take any block damage since invincibility is still on
i have had other instances were some of my invincible partners get blocked but dont take the block damage but some do and sometimes i just get blocked and hurt regardless
anyone else notice this or experience this?
perhaps its a bug or glitch
perhaps it depends in what order you attack i know invincibility wears off right after you attack but the block hits 1st before the buff being removed

author: moongoatie time: 2015-10-28 18:23:11

Br doesnt work for me. Shouldn't the invicibility buff remove itself when you attack tho?

author: noctustheking time: 2015-10-28 18:24:50

moongoatie replied at 2015-10-28 18:23
Br doesnt work for me. Shouldn't the invicibility buff remove itself when you attack tho?

yes it gets removed right after you attack however the block hits you 1st before it gets removed thats how it always works.

author: bwg2469 time: 2015-10-28 18:27:02

lets compare it with uno kenp's invulnerability

"Invincible" means that they cannot be hit directly. "Invulnerable" means they cannot be harmed.

So No skill or damage will hit Uno Kenp but invincible is moving out of melee attacks from what i viewed.
Example: So this allowed me to move to a 3 2 0 formation and drop my VG in Ryoka and ES.

author: noctustheking time: 2015-10-28 18:30:29

bwg2469 replied at 2015-10-28 18:27
lets compare it with uno kenp's invulnerability

"Invincible" means that they cannot be hit directly ...

its strange tho if you watched the battle reports of course they will just dodge all the attacks period
however when they get blocked its weird because on the 1st BR main gets blocked and hurt yet in the end hikifune gets blocked and not get hurt by it and its happened quite frequently with a mixture of partners
wereas hiki gets blocked and hurt but others dont etc..

author: DrSkullcrush time: 2015-10-28 18:32:11

So the buff that uno gives is completely different then the one hiki gives?

author: noctustheking time: 2015-10-28 18:34:28

DrSkullcrush replied at 2015-10-28 18:32
So the buff that uno gives is completely different then the one hiki gives?

if you pay attention to the wording

hikifune gives invincibility
kenny uno gives invulnerability

author: bwg2469 time: 2015-10-28 18:34:46

noctustheking replied at 2015-10-28 15:30
its strange tho if you watched the battle reports of course they will just dodge all the attacks pe ...

cast on all allys only, not yourself, you need to pair her with Uno kenp to get those skills setup like that

author: bwg2469 time: 2015-10-28 18:35:29

DrSkullcrush replied at 2015-10-28 15:32
So the buff that uno gives is completely different then the one hiki gives?

that is correct, she will dodge EVERYTHING and Hiki skill is to move out of melee attacks and this works great if Hiki keeps going off.

author: bwg2469 time: 2015-10-28 18:38:07

Her ability only applies once ever round also not per a turn so you don't get 50% chances on multiple turns with combo. She is a upgrade for me because I have a full T1 team and can take advantage of it but Brah actually lost damage I think with her. So for PVE be very careful using her.

author: noctustheking time: 2015-10-28 18:39:53

bwg2469 replied at 2015-10-28 18:35
that is correct, she will dodge EVERYTHING and Hiki skill is to move out of melee attacks and this ...

so never seen a full report with my kenny uno vs a ryoka or ES
so will she always avoid the aoe?

author: bwg2469 time: 2015-10-28 18:41:27

Edited by bwg2469 at 2015-10-28 15:42

noctustheking replied at 2015-10-28 15:39
so never seen a full report with my kenny uno vs a ryoka or ES
so will she always avoid the aoe?

At the end no because I didn't get unlimited rounds but we will see how she plays out in Ryoka. If i'm correct I can drop my VG fully and just do 2 3 0 formation in Ryoka. My VG was only getting hit around 20% of his damage anyways at wave 71.
P.S. I watched most of your fights and I noticed no one had a chance to skill on you. I fully understand why you need the skills to be clairifed because your OP

author: noctustheking time: 2015-10-28 18:44:59

bwg2469 replied at 2015-10-28 18:41
At the end no because I didn't get unlimited rounds but we will see how she plays out in Ryoka. If ...

lol OP i am but ill never be a god like you unless i pull out the high limit credit cards haha...

but yea i didnt notice unohanas and hikis skills had different wording in their skills until i read them

as invincibility and invulnerability

author: bwg2469 time: 2015-10-28 18:46:35

noctustheking replied at 2015-10-28 15:44
lol OP i am but ill never be a god like you unless i pull out the high limit credit cards haha...
...

Ya, i'm running those 2 in the back, B. Renji/Isshin/Main in the front. Sadly Kensei can't take Isshin's place. One thing I did notice if you look at the modify % on the partner, if its higher than you get more PVE damage.

author: noctustheking time: 2015-10-28 18:50:32

bwg2469 replied at 2015-10-28 18:46
Ya, i'm running those 2 in the back, B. Renji/Isshin/Main in the front. Sadly Kensei can't take Is ...

rate my fights been moving stones around figured id give my brukia all the high level wis while hiki buffs her

http://bleachjf.gametrees.com/fi ... ;t=1&lang=en_US

http://bleachjf.gametrees.com/fi ... ;t=1&lang=en_US

^
poor main R.I.P 1shotted right away lol...

author: AssassinwithRPG time: 2015-10-28 18:56:05

I came here just wondering whats wrong than i lost it when looking at that battle report. What a nice fight :3. But yeah the Hikifune skill works like the "3 eyed madaral" on anime ninja, its like super dodge, you dodge the enemies attack all time but it does not prevent the damage from blocking.

author: noctustheking time: 2015-10-28 18:58:09

Edited by noctustheking at 2015-10-28 19:00

AssassinwithRPG replied at 2015-10-28 18:56
I came here just wondering whats wrong than i lost it when looking at that battle report. What a nic ...

but seriously did u see hikifune get blocked but not hurt in the end lol?in 1st battle report when she did a combo
the block hit her yet she took no damage

author: AssassinwithRPG time: 2015-10-28 19:00:30

noctustheking replied at 2015-10-28 18:58
but seriously did u see hikifune get blockedb ut not hurt in the end lol?

Nope, i did not was too focused on the shiny teams and damage. Then again its gogames, bugs are usual. They might do something they might not, hopefully they make it so block damage gets ignored too.

author: noctustheking time: 2015-10-28 19:01:32

AssassinwithRPG replied at 2015-10-28 19:00
Nope, i did not was too focused on the shiny teams and damage. Then again its gogames, bugs are us ...

hopefully haha but yea take a look at it its literally towards the end when she combos n the 1st BR
also if you havent take a look at me vs boo and dying star XD

author: AssassinwithRPG time: 2015-10-28 19:03:33

noctustheking replied at 2015-10-28 19:01
hopefully haha but yea take a look at it its literally towards the end when she combos n the 1st B ...

I appreciate any awesome battles. As long as they are not one sided and have some shinys. (Cos i cant afford any).

#PoorJobLessItachi

author: noctustheking time: 2015-10-28 19:05:13

AssassinwithRPG replied at 2015-10-28 19:03
I appreciate any awesome battles. As long as they are not one sided and have some shinys. (Cos i c ...

http://bleachjf.gametrees.com/fi ... ;t=1&lang=en_US

http://bleachjf.gametrees.com/fi ... ;t=1&lang=en_US

not one sided at all i got hurt badly too

author: DrSkullcrush time: 2015-10-28 19:09:25

noctustheking replied at 2015-10-28 18:34
if you pay attention to the wording

hikifune gives invincibility

yea i noticed that the wording is different after you pointed it out, but is the actual buff different?

author: AssassinwithRPG time: 2015-10-28 19:12:30

noctustheking replied at 2015-10-28 19:05
http://bleachjf.gametrees.com/fightreport/?rid=2832425003604928&aid=54&t=1&lang=en_US

http://blea ...

The damage on banakai rukia almost makes her worth that $1000 investment.
I can't argue you have an awesome team, also Ultima aizen looks ...hmm Gay? Or is it just me, but hell he is overpowered if you bothered to save.

Ofc there is always option going team like yours, that is if I ever have $$$£. (Pound sign cos Britain.)

And finally thank you for sharing that awesomeness, love some overpowered people battling.

author: bwg2469 time: 2015-10-28 19:12:53

noctustheking replied at 2015-10-28 15:50
rate my fights been moving stones around figured id give my brukia all the high level wis while hi ...

I actually moved VG gear onto her and gave her some basic Wis stones. I gave the stronger set to Uno for that exact same reason.

author: noctustheking time: 2015-10-28 19:15:39

AssassinwithRPG replied at 2015-10-28 19:12
The damage on banakai rukia almost makes her worth that $1000 investment.
I can't argue you have a ...

shes still missing too much damage lol all my 6/6/6/5 souls are on hikifune lol for the sake of speed haha
rukia only hasl ike 5-5-3-2-1-1

author: AssassinwithRPG time: 2015-10-28 19:18:27

noctustheking replied at 2015-10-28 19:15
shes still missing too much damage lol all my 6/6/6/5 souls are on hikifune lol for the sake of sp ...

Compared to most I see on daily basis, she is a monster along with everyone else in your team. Good luck on further progression and PvP destruction. Last question, your BP?

author: noctustheking time: 2015-10-28 19:20:00

AssassinwithRPG replied at 2015-10-28 19:18
Compared to most I see on daily basis, she is a monster along with everyone else in your team. Good ...

total BP
1672287

author: AssassinwithRPG time: 2015-10-28 19:22:52

noctustheking replied at 2015-10-28 19:20
total BP
1672287

Bruh, I'm only on 1mil.

Thanks for everything.

author: DrSkullcrush time: 2015-10-28 20:22:10

So does hiki's buff work on ES/Ryoka?

author: ajoalex time: 2015-10-28 20:25:23

DrSkullcrush replied at 2015-10-29 05:22
So does hiki's buff work on ES/Ryoka?

if its the 50% atk, then yes
if its the invincibility then no #seeShiniYorui

author: ajoalex time: 2015-10-28 20:34:34

noctustheking replied at 2015-10-29 04:20
total BP
1672287

invincibility is only immune to normal/skill attacks from opp. its not immune to zanp attacks, or blocks.

author: Ragnos time: 2015-10-28 20:40:43

ajoalex replied at 2015-10-28 19:34
invincibility is only immune to normal/skill attacks from opp. its not immune to zanp attacks, or ...

HEY! You reverted to your old avatar! Awesome! Looks way better IMO.

author: ajoalex time: 2015-10-28 20:58:23

Ragnos replied at 2015-10-29 05:40
HEY! You reverted to your old avatar! Awesome! Looks way better IMO.

i tried to change to another pic. and it somehow took this pic outta nowhere lol

author: doubtyr time: 2015-10-28 21:21:38

noctustheking replied at 2015-10-28 16:30
its strange tho if you watched the battle reports of course they will just dodge all the attacks pe ...

From what i can tell the game did not take the combo from shinzo gin to Kirio as Kirio's turn and the buff did not go away til Kirio's normal turn.

author: [email protected] time: 2015-10-29 01:29:30

noctustheking replied at 2015-10-28 18:44
lol OP i am but ill never be a god like you unless i pull out the high limit credit cards haha...
...

http://bleachjf.gametrees.com/fi ... ;t=1&lang=en_US

ayyyyyyyy

author: noctustheking time: 2015-10-29 01:50:02

[email protected] replied at 2015-10-29 01:29
http://bleachjf.gametrees.com/fightreport/?rid=50980086428580962&aid=54&t=1&lang=en_US

ayyyyyyyy ...

lol try fighting me again with my t1 shinso instead of brukia XD
i had that formation set up for GW just to troll tankers lmao
good one tho caught me when im not on guard haha*points to the other battle reports on this thread

*
you would be fighting that XD

author: Brahmastra time: 2015-10-29 02:14:47

Welp there's the loophole and the way to counter her.
As soon as your partner skills the invin goes off and block happens after it going off.

Block is key

As far as the Unohana block I think that if a VG has Aizen's effect you can also get block damage before you get invul

author: noctustheking time: 2015-10-29 02:17:00

Brahmastra replied at 2015-10-29 02:14
Welp there's the loophole and the way to counter her.
As soon as your partner skills the invin goes ...

the only way for the block not to work is to combo
i need to experiment with isshin on assaulters i get frequent combos from shinso and hiki so sometimes she doesnt get hurt.
the sad thing is even 90% break defence isnt enough i tend to still get blocked up the ass XD

author: Brahmastra time: 2015-10-29 02:21:22

noctustheking replied at 2015-10-29 02:17
the only way for the block not to work is to combo
i need to experiment with isshin on assaulters i ...

Hmm yeah that's tricky especially with these Noza's that can get well over 110% block. I don't think we actually have an assaulter that does break damage increase, for support its Uno

author: noctustheking time: 2015-10-29 02:41:46

Brahmastra replied at 2015-10-29 02:21
Hmm yeah that's tricky especially with these Noza's that can get well over 110% block. I don't thi ...

The only assaulters with break limit are
mod 7 yamamoto good luck with that shit
mod 4 shinigami shinji
mod 4 gold ichigo lmao aint no1 using him
mod 4 christmas ichigo omg another useless guy
mod 4 white ichigo he could be usefull
mod 5 hakuteiken

thats about it but by the time you get said mods it takes forever lolbut yeh those crazy block stats on nozas are annoying hence i leave Brukia on to deal with them as long as she skills he is dead

author: Brahmastra time: 2015-10-29 02:46:50

noctustheking replied at 2015-10-29 02:41
The only assaulters with break limit are
mod 7 yamamoto good luck with that shit
mod 4 shinigami s ...

O well lets see what other red partners come out to counter her.. Gonna be funny if she will ends up being the slowest red partner

author: noctustheking time: 2015-10-29 02:49:16

Brahmastra replied at 2015-10-29 02:46
O well lets see what other red partners come out to counter her.. Gonna be funny if she will ends ...

i wouldnt be surprised if they just keep adding another .1 to agility lol
brukia was 5.2
hiki 5.3
whoever is next is prolly gonna be 5.4 or higher lol
and it might end up being an assaulter hahaaha

author: Brahmastra time: 2015-10-29 02:56:35

noctustheking replied at 2015-10-29 02:49
i wouldnt be surprised if they just keep adding another .1 to agility lol
brukia was 5.2
hiki 5.3

It's definitely time for a new red assaulter with high speed.. I just wonder how OP that'll be

author: noctustheking time: 2015-10-29 02:59:31

Brahmastra replied at 2015-10-29 02:56
It's definitely time for a new red assaulter with high speed.. I just wonder how OP that'll be

hopefully next sets of zero division will provide very OP partners that make everything up to date utter shit
and ima laugh when the price is the same as hikifune... compared to a mugetsu price tag lol...
my dream team is all zero division members in 1 formation XD
sadly cant with main in formation cant remove that thing :/

author: Brahmastra time: 2015-10-29 03:05:36

noctustheking replied at 2015-10-29 02:59
hopefully next sets of zero division will provide very OP partners that make everything up to date ...

That would be really nice if they just straight up released all of them and not release shit in between like an upgraded version of Uryu Ishida or whatever haha.
About time they add some new main clothes into the game or some type of skin.

Also may I ask how your experience with Hiki was for PVE? She really didn't do much for me there

author: noctustheking time: 2015-10-29 03:19:27

Edited by noctustheking at 2015-10-29 03:33

Brahmastra replied at 2015-10-29 03:05
That would be really nice if they just straight up released all of them and not release shit in be ...

for pve i use
Shinso-Hiki-Brenji-main-isshin
Shinso T1 all partners hiki goes next grants 50% dmg rate to everyone
isshin up next grants combo rate to assaulters
brenji up next grants crit dmg bonus to all partners while they already have a 20% crit dmg bonus from gold enchant for 70% bonus total.
Main uses 2nd skill i believe it is that reduces defence by 30% ( yes this skill effects ES and ryoka)
physical attacks hit harder on them.
Shinso comes up again with the 50% bonus dmg rate and the bonus crit dmg
Hikifune still has 50% dmg rate buff she instantly crits again for outstanding damage then skills again next turn.
P.S ( Shinso has a 20% combo rate with some evo and basic talent i combo a lot and very frequent with hikifune so she hits a lot more than normal and skills often to keep providing dmg rate buff)
Zanpaktou is zangetu since he gives attack buff to everyone
cant really use senbon since he has damage rate buff.
I wana add in kenny unohana but i needa see how that will work since i like my 2-3 formation might replace t1 shinso with t1 unohana when i have my 2nd set of t1 fury very close to it.
Noticed my damage went up by 2.5-3.5 depending if i get blocked or not at some point

was also thinking of a fury generator team to make her keep skilling for pvp
with urahara shinso and sexy yoro

author: Aristeaus time: 2015-10-29 03:49:01

Seems like most of you don't know how it works. It is the same buff as Kenny Unohana and Shini Yoruichi. If you cast the invuln as part of the attack, you are immune to block damage. If you had the invuln cast on you, then it drops as part of the resolution of the attack, and you are not immune to block damage. Block damage is literally the last thing that happens.

author: Brahmastra time: 2015-10-29 04:26:37

noctustheking replied at 2015-10-29 03:19
for pve i use
Shinso-Hiki-Brenji-main-isshin
Shinso T1 all partners hiki goes next grants 50% dmg r ...

Thanks for that.

I got her because I thought she'd increase my PVE damage a lot. More than a combo rate partner would because I had the feeling combo would not be higher than 30% on characters, and even if it's higher it's still a CHANCE unlike Isshin who's just 100% combo or Hiki's skill that always gives 50% extra. Guess I was wrong.
I was using Uno, Gin with Brenji and Isshin and replaced Gin for Hiki. My damage barely increased even though I went for the best attacking order. I start off with Hiki giving everyone her buff, followed by Brenji giving everyone crit, then Uno skills with both buffs followed by Isshin and main+9th because Hiki only skills every other round apart from extra turns so I still get to keep the assaulter buff.
Fury generation might be good but for me it seems like Gin giving fury above 100 deals better or equal damage to Hiki. Also It's kinda hard to make a fury team when you're running Isshin and Brenji, can't really replace any of them for a fury character.

author: SeiryuSky time: 2015-10-29 09:12:02

noctustheking replied at 2015-10-28 19:05
http://bleachjf.gametrees.com/fightreport/?rid=2832425003604928&aid=54&t=1&lang=en_US

http://blea ...

oh let me explain in fact why you are damaged by block is because in the game system block is counted as damage after the attack not like before so in fact they count like invulneribility goes > you get damage reflection

author: [email protected] time: 2015-10-29 10:42:56

Brahmastra replied at 2015-10-29 02:21
Hmm yeah that's tricky especially with these Noza's that can get well over 110% block. I don't thi ...

mugetsu increases block with mods too xD

author: SeiryuSky time: 2015-10-29 12:22:05

ajoalex replied at 2015-10-28 20:34
invincibility is only immune to normal/skill attacks from opp. its not immune to zanp attacks, or ...

+ DEBUFFS

author: SeiryuSky time: 2015-10-29 12:26:11

Brahmastra replied at 2015-10-29 02:56
It's definitely time for a new red assaulter with high speed.. I just wonder how OP that'll be

#THATWOULDBEKIRINJI

#HEISSOFASTLOL

#BUTGANJUUUUUUUISTHEGOD

#SOHEISFASTER

#CARROTS

#ILLUMINATI

author: ajoalex time: 2015-10-29 13:04:14

SeiryuSky replied at 2015-10-29 18:12
oh let me explain in fact why you are damaged by block is because in the game system block is coun ...

the mod which buffs when killed doesn't work if that partner dies of a block. so i think dmg and block are differently mapped to buffs.

author: ajoalex time: 2015-10-29 13:06:55

[email protected] replied at 2015-10-29 19:42
mugetsu increases block with mods too xD

yeah right, 6th mod. it will take you 2 years to get it done if you do the cultivation once per day. [this is if you already have the first 2 mods]. by that time hiki's mom will arrive in ulti charge

author: SeiryuSky time: 2015-10-29 13:18:21

ajoalex replied at 2015-10-29 13:04
the mod which buffs when killed doesn't work if that partner dies of a block. so i think dmg and b ...

#yeah that's true but what does that have to do here O_o

author: SeiryuSky time: 2015-10-29 13:18:49

ajoalex replied at 2015-10-29 13:04
the mod which buffs when killed doesn't work if that partner dies of a block. so i think dmg and b ...

oh ok i see your point yeah i was aiming for that

author: DrSkullcrush time: 2015-10-29 14:13:55

noctustheking replied at 2015-10-29 03:19
for pve i use
Shinso-Hiki-Brenji-main-isshin
Shinso T1 all partners hiki goes next grants 50% dmg r ...

if you are really gonna try out all 3 if the fury generators i would really love to see how it works. also you will need to have all 3 of them at almost max crit so they return 37 instead of 25 fury. if even 1 misses the crit you will end up with only 99 fury

author: noctustheking time: 2015-10-29 16:10:21

Brahmastra replied at 2015-10-29 04:26
Thanks for that.

I got her because I thought she'd increase my PVE damage a lot. More than a comb ...

yeh i think hiki is just more pvp orientated in general

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