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author: I_MIKE_I time: 2015-12-21 07:39:23 Title: Senjumaru Shutara - Thread
Edited by I_MIKE_I at 2015-12-26 15:49
If Titan deserves one, then she does deserve one, too. 
Mods:
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1) Immune Silence
2) When being attacked, have 10% chance to get 10 Fury
3) Immune Fury Deduction
4) 20% extra Speed
5) Immune Stun
6)Increase own Support Combo rate by 10% (can break 90% Limit)
7)Ignore invincibility
Bonds:
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Bond with Main: Physical/Kido Attack %
Bond with Ichibe: Max. 12% Physical/Kido Attack
Bond with Kirio: Max. 15% Speed
Bond with Oetsu: Max. 15% Physical/Kido Attack
Bond with Tenjiro: Max. 17.25% Hit
Skill:
Attack all enemies, growth rate is 140%,
cast fury restriction on all enemies,
increase own supporters (assaults in description but seems to only do for sup) damage rate by 20% and combo rate by 50%,
restore supports fury by 40.
Talent: According to Kosmodestiny, it's 18% Agility and 15% Wit
Stats+Growth:
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Evolution (same as Hikifune, Oetsu etc.):
author: Sylencer90 time: 2015-12-21 07:50:00
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author: Brahmastra time: 2015-12-21 07:55:13
20% Speed is good, but she'd still need about 20% Agi Talent and very high base+growth to compete with Oetsu/Hikifune. Tenjiro is hard to calculate due to screwed up Evo.
check out her bond
Also to be honest her 2nd mod ruins her
author: DrSkullcrush time: 2015-12-21 07:57:01
Sylencer90 replied at 2015-12-21 07:50 
Im hoping for a shinso gin replacement, and i guess so does brah too ^^
i am too, and a high growth skill would be ideal
author: I_MIKE_I time: 2015-12-21 08:50:35
Brahmastra replied at 2015-12-21 07:55
check out her bond
Also to be honest her 2nd mod ruins her
Cheeki Breeki... a 15% speed bond with Hikifune.
Now gotta edit the opening post...
author: Sylencer90 time: 2015-12-21 08:50:47
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author: JianJinhai time: 2015-12-21 08:55:41
Brahmastra replied at 2015-12-21 07:55
check out her bond
Also to be honest her 2nd mod ruins her
yeah, that 2nd mod is aids lol, so bad
author: xbakura time: 2015-12-21 09:39:20
I don't know she just isn't that impressive (just prob best to second best character in game) totally worthless
author: I_MIKE_I time: 2015-12-21 10:04:34
xbakura replied at 2015-12-21 09:39
I don't know she just isn't that impressive (just prob best to second best character in game) totall ...
I think it's gonna be Gogame's policy on this:
0-Division: Pure PvP with lots of downsides.
PvE Bunch: Kensei, Brenji etc. which are quite outstanding in PvE but have lots of drawbacks in PvP.
"Premium" Bunch, like Yhwach, TSI, Mugetsu etc. which are well rounded and can actually beat the pure PvP guys if you have notably better equipment, hyogu... etc. which is to be expected when somebody pays like 4 times as much for the Chars.
This mix is actually quite smart, because it'll always leave something to be desired and potentially switch to another bunch. I'm reasonably sure that after Senju, we'll see more high priced Sternritter, 1-2 PvE chars and a Zanpakuto for the PvP guys just before the Sternritter get theirs, while Brenji gets a fortification on Zabimaru, Kensei on Tengen Myo'o and so on.
author: theunknown404 time: 2015-12-21 10:32:25
I_MIKE_I replied at 2015-12-21 10:04
I think it's gonna be Gogame's policy on this:
0-Division: Pure PvP with lots of downsides.
Hikifune is still useful in PvE when combined with Berserk Renji. xD
author: Suzuken time: 2015-12-21 10:42:21
Senjumaru+Mugetsu+Hiki+B.renji+Ryuken=GG
she probably a support though
author: xbakura time: 2015-12-21 10:46:06
Suzuken replied at 2015-12-21 10:42
Senjumaru+Mugetsu+Hiki+B.renji+Ryuken=GG
she probably a support though
Ryuken for that dodge ehh she'll prob be nerved later on though
author: Suzuken time: 2015-12-21 10:48:14
xbakura replied at 2015-12-21 18:46
Ryuken for that dodge ehh she'll prob be nerved later on though
That's why you have Ryuken with her -__- with his help she will dodge that nerve . i mean Nerf
author: Brahmastra time: 2015-12-21 11:12:42
some spoilers, fill in the blanks
author: Suzuken time: 2015-12-21 11:14:50
Brahmastra replied at 2015-12-21 19:12
some spoilers, fill in the blanks
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author: TanakaAiri time: 2015-12-21 11:27:41
Ok so basically all I see is blah blah blah blah 20% blah blah gibberish.....so basically she does something to someone for 20% wud he completely hilarious if that turns out to be her skill growth rate LOLLL
author: Sylencer90 time: 2015-12-21 11:33:42
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author: I_MIKE_I time: 2015-12-21 11:34:23
Edited by I_MIKE_I at 2015-12-21 11:38
Brahmastra replied at 2015-12-21 11:12
some spoilers, fill in the blanks
Why the hell do they make her a Support? O.o
Tell them to not be stupid and give us (me) a 0 Division Assault... >.<
author: rythen time: 2015-12-21 12:07:07
Edited by rythen at 2015-12-21 18:16
attack all enemies, growth rate —— ,increase army —— for 1 round, —— combo rate speed by 20% and 50% break defense for 1 round —— 40 fury.
author: Sylencer90 time: 2015-12-21 12:09:51
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author: TanakaAiri time: 2015-12-21 12:13:03
Combo rate speed ? Wut?
author: TanakaAiri time: 2015-12-21 12:17:11
Sounding like a pve kind of partner
author: Sylencer90 time: 2015-12-21 12:45:41
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author: Brahmastra time: 2015-12-21 12:50:33
rythen replied at 2015-12-21 18:07
attack all enemies, growth rate —— ,increase army —— for 1 round, —— combo rate speed by 20% ...
Got the same result as this.. not really sure what to think haha
author: rythen time: 2015-12-21 12:55:20
Edited by rythen at 2015-12-24 01:59
Brahmastra replied at 2015-12-21 18:50
Got the same result as this.. not really sure what to think haha
attack all enemies, growth rate 140% ,increase army dodge rate by 180% for 1 round, 20% combo rate speed by 20% and 50% break defense for 1 round recover own 40 fury.
it must be dodge rate, most important stat Kappa
Edit:
this should be the correct translation:
attack all enemies, growth rate --- increase all allies --- for 1 round, increase own support's --- for 1 round,
--- 20% and 50% --- for 1 round, --- 40 fury.
he already told me 120% growthrate, 20% speed and 50% break defense, but could also be a troll^^
author: Brahmastra time: 2015-12-21 12:56:11
rythen replied at 2015-12-21 18:55
attack all enemies, growth rate 140% ,increase army dodge rate by 180% for 1 round, 20% combo rate ...
hahaha
author: TanakaAiri time: 2015-12-21 12:56:57
Ok judging from that she's gonna b like 60k lol
author: Sylencer90 time: 2015-12-21 13:00:27
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author: [email protected] time: 2015-12-21 13:02:35
Sylencer90 replied at 2015-12-21 13:00
Why god why, why can't it be a kisuke replacement >.
select the black "kappa" rythen got to our team and started trolling 
author: Sylencer90 time: 2015-12-21 13:05:58
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author: [email protected] time: 2015-12-21 13:07:04
Sylencer90 replied at 2015-12-21 13:05
May the cancer spread on those people whose job it is to fool people.
LOL , it's like herpes , it's EVERYWHERE
#GANJU F***ED US ALL
author: I_MIKE_I time: 2015-12-21 13:50:28
Edited by I_MIKE_I at 2015-12-21 14:01
Hm... looking at it, it seems to me like they want us to finance their Christmas present, rather than actually giving us something for a not-too-unreasonable price.
Having her 20% Speed on Mod 4, it seems to me that we are expected to get her for topping up and spend the gold on her fragments... same when it comes to her Speed from Bond #goldchances.
To be perfectly honest, she doesn't seem to be worth it for me. Unless you go REALLY hard on spending money on here, I think it's likely that she wont overtake Tenjiro before we get a Partner that will raise the bar again by a notable amount and - unlike the others - Senju doesnt seem to have a use after getting overtaken:
Tenjiro's halo reduces enemy Kido dmg by 20%, which might be enough to survive a enemy first attack by Senju. And on a sidenote: You get plenty of his fragments for keeping Shinigami Agent active.
Oetsu gives the entire team 10% speed, which makes him quite future proof.
Hikifune adds +50% atk to the entire team for 1 round, which also makes her not-too-bad in the long run.
I really hope that Senju gets a bit refined from what I've seen so far... otherwise I'll most likely pass on her and get Brenji, ignore being 1st on future CSB at all cost and instead dominate my server by stealing the xp/silver from ES. ^.-
Edit: if you get 5 Fragments per day, it takes 352 days to get to Mod 4.
So even assuming you reset twice each day, you can still expect her to take 3 Months including at least 1 Accelerate Modify Event.
author: Sylencer90 time: 2015-12-21 14:41:43
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author: I_MIKE_I time: 2015-12-21 15:13:06
Sylencer90 replied at 2015-12-21 14:41
Shes not worth it at all. Might be the worst of zero division partners ...isn't it weird that almost ...
Yeah I still feel like her 2nd mod rubs dirt in my face...
If she'd be 20k top up with 50% rebate or so, maybe... but atm I doubt I'd take her even then, unless she gets changed somehow or comes up with some surprises in terms of Skill/Talent.
author: Sylencer90 time: 2015-12-21 16:11:31
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author: LadyKyojin time: 2015-12-21 17:06:00
Sylencer90 replied at 2015-12-21 12:50
Im hoping for a shinso gin replacement, and i guess so does brah too ^^
yeh me to on this but i hope gogames release somthing that allows you to increase your growth rate for your old characters like gin speed growth increase from 3.8 to like 5.2 plus base stat this make the characters worth while and not sitting in storage.
cant reall say much about this partner until the skill is revealed let me guess growth rate attack is like 110 attack all lol
author: Sylencer90 time: 2015-12-21 19:45:07
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author: I_MIKE_I time: 2015-12-21 21:06:59
Sylencer90 replied at 2015-12-21 19:45
So is this skill true? What a waste..
Skill and so on hasnt been released officially... and iirc on Yhwach and others, mods and so on got changed a bit before final release.
Xmas Ichigo even got changed long after release...
So hope isn't entirely dead yet... but I dont feel like getting her just because she might be 5% faster someday without something else to offer...
author: Sylencer90 time: 2015-12-22 07:23:51
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author: I_MIKE_I time: 2015-12-22 07:57:51
Sylencer90 replied at 2015-12-22 07:23
I despise the attack all release wave ... why not just attack support or assaulter only with a dece ...
For all I care, they could have made her a Brenji in red with a 7th mod to ignore invincibility... easily would have gotten me to top up 60k...
author: Miliandra time: 2015-12-24 11:38:52
Edited by Miliandra at 2015-12-24 20:52
UPDATE
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Increase agility and intelligence by a certain percent (not sure)
author: Arrowx time: 2015-12-24 11:39:58
Miliandra replied at 2015-12-24 11:38
UPDATE
what does that mean?she gives 40 fury to everyone?
author: Ragnos time: 2015-12-24 11:56:42
Man they just keeping more and more OP.
author: I_MIKE_I time: 2015-12-24 12:12:32
Miliandra replied at 2015-12-24 11:38
UPDATE
can you please translate it for us?
author: Aristeaus time: 2015-12-24 13:38:05
Miliandra replied at 2015-12-24 11:38
UPDATE
I'll take a crack at it.
Attack Enemy Supports. Growth rate 140%. Void enemy supports for 1 round. Increase support combo rate by 20% and increase support damage rate by 50% for 1 round. Restore 40 fury to all.
My traditional Chinese is extremely limited, and compared to other Chinese spoilers/characters.
author: TanakaAiri time: 2015-12-24 13:56:15
If that's her new skill.....omg....seismic Orgasm
author: Sylencer90 time: 2015-12-24 14:01:53
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author: TanakaAiri time: 2015-12-24 14:12:05
Sylencer90 replied at 2015-12-24 14:01
Fck fck fck fck, if she just had recover own fury by 100 also ... would be so niceee , but noooo >.
Wouldn't that be a little too op
author: NNatsu time: 2015-12-24 14:14:23
Miliandra replied at 2015-12-24 11:38
UPDATE
I LOVE YOU MILIANDRA
author: noctustheking time: 2015-12-24 14:47:03
so shes another support since she has 4.6 wis growth
author: NNatsu time: 2015-12-24 14:48:29
noctustheking replied at 2015-12-24 14:47
so shes another support since she has 4.6 wis growth
Yeah.
author: VertigoRed time: 2015-12-24 14:49:08
Miliandra, how much is she? Can you screenshot it please.
author: Aristeaus time: 2015-12-24 14:50:11
There are parts I am iffy on still, specifically the void and damage rate. What I took from it was that it was damage %, and not + attack, so they could stack. But most certainly don't quote me on that.
In either case, you want Combo rate buff ASAP, so I would certainly prioritize Senju over Hiki even if they were both attack rate.
author: Aristeaus time: 2015-12-24 14:51:01
VertigoRed replied at 2015-12-24 14:49
Miliandra, how much is she? Can you screenshot it please.
She isn't for sale yet in CN. This was a spoiler spoiler. We will know tomorrow at 10AM.
author: Suzuken time: 2015-12-24 14:51:30
this is getting boring, we need An AoE fury team Recover every round as an assaulter instead of support ... An assaulter Urahara if you say, we already have a shit ton of good support and not everybody can afford all pure T1 and shinso is getting a bit old and slow and urahara is useless for the top tire players -__- .. Senjumaru would've been great if she was that char but nope they had to half ruin her already 
. .... man if she was an assaulter she would've been so good for 3-2-0
author: noctustheking time: 2015-12-24 14:52:15
NNatsu replied at 2015-12-24 14:48
Yeah.
lol i wonder why they made zero division all support partners with exception to ichibae XD
well good thing i run 3-1-1 formation lol..
author: NNatsu time: 2015-12-24 14:53:30
noctustheking replied at 2015-12-24 14:52
lol i wonder why they made zero division all support partners with exception to ichibae XD
well go ...
I bet all of the sternritters are assaulters, if they ever release them.
author: noctustheking time: 2015-12-24 14:56:42
NNatsu replied at 2015-12-24 14:53
I bet all of the sternritters are assaulters, if they ever release them.
lol
zero division are support because they "support" ichigo/ protecting the royal palace
all the quincies are assaulters because they invade soul society/royal palace lmao..
and ichibae... well he basically was a VG against ywach hahaha
ima laugh if they bring an aizen while he is on his chair just sitting there destroying shit
author: NNatsu time: 2015-12-24 14:57:35
noctustheking replied at 2015-12-24 14:56
lol
zero division are support because they "support" ichigo/ protecting the royal palace
all the qu ...
I'd throw all of my money at the screen for a Chair Aizen partner, lmao.
author: Suzuken time: 2015-12-24 14:59:01
noctustheking replied at 2015-12-24 22:56
lol
zero division are support because they "support" ichigo/ protecting the royal palace
all the qu ...
ima laugh if they bring an aizen while he is on his chair just sitting there destroying shit
*Orgasm*
author: KiyokoTama time: 2015-12-24 14:59:59
NNatsu replied at 2015-12-24 21:57
I'd throw all of my money at the screen for a Chair Aizen partner, lmao.
here is his skill
author: noctustheking time: 2015-12-24 15:00:27
Edited by noctustheking at 2015-12-24 15:03
NNatsu replied at 2015-12-24 14:57
I'd throw all of my money at the screen for a Chair Aizen partner, lmao.
lmao me too
skill animation would look like
*Laughs like a maniac jumping around dodging shit, while hitting them with his chair like the above gif pic*
lol..
trolololol
author: Suzuken time: 2015-12-24 15:01:14
KiyokoTama replied at 2015-12-24 22:59
here is his skill
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA * Laughter continues for the next 10 pages*
author: noctustheking time: 2015-12-24 15:02:54
KiyokoTama replied at 2015-12-24 14:59
here is his skill
lmao good one
author: NNatsu time: 2015-12-24 15:03:41
KiyokoTama replied at 2015-12-24 14:59
here is his skill
Amazing.
author: Kosmodestiny time: 2015-12-24 15:05:03
NNatsu replied at 2015-12-24 14:57
I'd throw all of my money at the screen for a Chair Aizen partner, lmao.
Skill : 500% growth rate. Deals damage to all partners on both sides except for Chair-Sama. Ignores invincibility. Chair-Sama gains invincibility for 1 turn. This invincibility is immune to same skill damage.
author: NNatsu time: 2015-12-24 15:06:02
Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-12-24 15:05
Skill : 500% growth rate. Deals damage to all partners on both sides except for Chair-Sama. Ignore ...
-takes fist full of cash from wallet and stuffs it into cd tray-
author: Kosmodestiny time: 2015-12-24 15:07:35
NNatsu replied at 2015-12-24 15:06
-takes fist full of cash from wallet and stuffs it into cd tray-
Lmfao that would be exactly my reaction.
Oh also, he'd be the first Kido Vanguard character.
author: noctustheking time: 2015-12-24 15:11:04
aizen be walking up the the battlefield like
http://giphy.com/gifs/5550zJj6nF6pO/html5
author: NNatsu time: 2015-12-24 15:11:47
Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-12-24 15:07
Lmfao that would be exactly my reaction.
Oh also, he'd be the first Kido Vanguard character.
In Pockie Ninja someone paid the company who made the game to make them an exclusive character that no one else had, it was a One Piece character and the fastest character in the game.
I want to do this with gogames immediately with Chair Aizen.
author: Kosmodestiny time: 2015-12-24 15:13:24
NNatsu replied at 2015-12-24 15:11
In Pockie Ninja someone paid the company who made the game to make them an exclusive character tha ...
lmfao did they really? Because 1. that's amazing. 2. don't get bwg, MyStudents, chinen, or any of them any smart ideas.....
They'd totally out bid us lol.
author: noctustheking time: 2015-12-24 15:13:45
NNatsu replied at 2015-12-24 15:11
In Pockie Ninja someone paid the company who made the game to make them an exclusive character tha ...
im pretty sure theyl listen to anyone that will gladly give them some $$$ lol
author: NNatsu time: 2015-12-24 15:17:31
Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-12-24 15:13
lmfao did they really? Because 1. that's amazing. 2. don't get bwg, MyStudents, chinen, or any of ...
Yeah, he had a horrible growth rate but his speed was fucking absurd.
About a year later they were releasing partners faster than him for $50.
The guy quit playing lmfao.
author: Kosmodestiny time: 2015-12-24 15:18:18
NNatsu replied at 2015-12-24 15:17
Yeah, he had a horrible growth rate but his speed was fucking absurd.
About a year later they were ...
lmfao that's too funny. Goes to show you don't always get what you pay for XD
author: Sylencer90 time: 2015-12-24 15:41:12
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author: Sylencer90 time: 2015-12-24 15:42:07
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author: I_MIKE_I time: 2015-12-24 16:41:15
Sylencer90 replied at 2015-12-24 15:42
Hope the 50% dmg buff stacks with hiki & zangetsu'S buff.
It can't stack with both... Hiki is ATK, Zangetsu is DMG rate.
To be honest, I find it idiotic to make a Support Char out of her...ofc one CAN run 1-1-3, with her, hiki and Oetsu and throw away Tenjiro, but your damage output in Events would be WAY from Kensei+Brenji+Main.
author: Kosmodestiny time: 2015-12-24 16:46:06
I_MIKE_I replied at 2015-12-24 16:41
It can't stack with both... Hiki is ATK, Zangetsu is DMG rate.
To be honest, I find it idiotic to ...
why would anyone run a 1-1-3 for events. Hell, why would anyone run a 1-2-2 for events? Aside from very very late waves in ryoka there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to run a vanguard in events. Also why would someone use oetsu in events? He's not a PvE partner. Now, a good idea would be to run a 0-2-3 using hiki, senjumaru, KenpUno, and B renji. Assuming of course that senjumaru's skill is what's been stated here.
author: bwg2469 time: 2015-12-24 16:46:19
This is my Uno Kenp replacement DONE
author: NNatsu time: 2015-12-24 16:56:05
bwg2469 replied at 2015-12-24 16:46
This is my Uno Kenp replacement DONE
yup yup yup
author: Miliandra time: 2015-12-24 17:20:22
Aristeaus replied at 2015-12-24 21:38
I'll take a crack at it.
Attack Enemy Supports. Growth rate 140%. Void enemy supports for 1 round ...
itself maybe)
my Chinese at all bad))
author: NNatsu time: 2015-12-24 17:51:38
Miliandra replied at 2015-12-24 17:20
itself maybe)
my Chinese at all bad))
If that's true she's sort of a let down.
author: Sylencer90 time: 2015-12-24 18:04:04
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author: Brahmastra time: 2015-12-24 18:06:24
Rythen, wher art thou?
author: NNatsu time: 2015-12-24 18:09:36
Brahmastra replied at 2015-12-24 18:06
Rythen, wher art thou?
OUR SAVIOR
author: Brahmastra time: 2015-12-24 18:42:41
"attack the enemy army growth 140%"
"additional army seal anger"
"injury rate and 50% rate of 1 round punch"
"reply has fanghou jun 40 anger
welp
author: NNatsu time: 2015-12-24 18:47:09
Brahmastra replied at 2015-12-24 18:42
"attack the enemy army growth 140%"
"additional army seal anger"
"injury rate and 50% rate of 1 roun ...
attack all enemy's 140%
additional army can mean supports, so void support seems correct
increase damage by 50% seems correct also
increase own fury by 40
author: Evild4nte time: 2015-12-24 18:50:24
NNatsu replied at 2015-12-25 00:47
attack all enemy's 140%
additional army can mean supports, so void support seems correct
increase ...
Doesnt seem to justify this hype about her.
author: dionysvs time: 2015-12-24 18:53:04
Miliandra replied at 2015-12-24 11:38
UPDATE
attack all enemy, growth rate 140%, whole team fury restriction for 1 round, increase support 20% dmg 50% combo 1 round, +40 fury for supports
author: NNatsu time: 2015-12-24 18:56:05
Evild4nte replied at 2015-12-24 18:50
Doesnt seem to justify this hype about her.
We weren't hyped for her skill since obviously it was unknown, we were hyped because
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author: Aristeaus time: 2015-12-24 21:14:01
dionysvs replied at 2015-12-24 18:53
attack all enemy, growth rate 140%, whole team fury restriction for 1 round, increase support 20% ...
If that is indeed the actual translation, then I wasn't far off and mixed some stuff up.
That makes it kinda worse in pvp, but way way better in PvE.
She doesn't do anything to already T1 characters. She pairs good with Kirio though.
For PvE, on the other hand, is a whole different story. For starters, if she gives herself fury, you could potentially chain combos for a LONG period of time. We are talking like 6+ attacks per round, per person.
She gives +50% combo for one round. She gives +10% combo halo. 110 Gear gives +5%. That is 65% combo by itself.
Shinso has 18.25% combo by himself Evo'd. That is 83.25% chance to combo, and he gives fury.
Tavern Urahara has a 21.9% combo rate by himself. That is 86.9% chance to combo, and he gives fury.
Even without crits, Senjumaru would have 100 fury every attack, keeping the combo buff up 24/7.
Ultima Aizen would have 96.5% chance to combo. lol
author: Kosmodestiny time: 2015-12-24 21:22:55
Aristeaus replied at 2015-12-24 21:14
If that is indeed the actual translation, then I wasn't far off and mixed some stuff up.
That ma ...
Except that by your design there you couldn't use Ultima aizen since you already have all 3 kido partner slots filled. You'd essentially be wasting 50% combo rate on a trio of soft hitters. It'd be much smarter to have someone like uno kenp in that slot you put tavern ura into and hope that you combo enough to keep that fury regen and combo rate alive.
author: Aristeaus time: 2015-12-24 21:39:40
Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-12-24 21:22
Except that by your design there you couldn't use Ultima aizen since you already have all 3 kido p ...
The ultima aizen thing was just a interesting add on.
Well, they would be damage buffed by Senjumaru constantly, and additional fury damage bonuses and what have you. I just mentioned that line up as it is the only guaranteed way to chain.
If you replace Tav Urahara with Uno Kenpachi, you couldn't combo through, as the combo buff only lasts for 1 round. It would go Senjumaru -> Shinso -> Uno Kenny -> Senjumaru ( regular attack ) -> Shinso ( At this point, the Senjumaru buff is completely gone. Shinso already used his regular attack, so there is only a 18% chance he combos.
Otherwise, you could go Senjumaru -> Shinso -> Tavern Urahara -> Senjumaru ( Buff again ) -> etc, etc.
This way, means that even if the combo falls at some point, you will have Tavern Urahara's regular turn attack to start it back up again. Additionally, Senjumaru is practically guaranteed to start the next round with her buff on HER, meaning the next chain won't need Shinso's regular turn attack, increasing the odds of multiple chains in a row ( now you have 2 chain restart chances ).
With Uno Kenny, you have, at best, 2 attacks per character. Where as with Tavern Urahara, you have no ceiling. Mathematically, you should accumulate enough extra attacks to out damage Uno Kenny. It is something like 74% chance that both Shinso and Tavern Urahara combo back to Senjumaru.
author: okau0625 time: 2015-12-24 22:10:23
Miliandra replied at 2015-12-24 11:38
UPDATE
Attack all enemy. growth rate 140%,additional of opponent fury restriction for 1 round, increase own supporter 20% damage rate and 50% combo rate for 1 round, restore 40% fury for supporter
author: Kosmodestiny time: 2015-12-24 22:23:32
Aristeaus replied at 2015-12-24 21:39
The ultima aizen thing was just a interesting add on.
Well, they would be damage buffed by Senju ...
Tavern Urahara's stats and growth rate are simply not high enough to even hope to allow that strategy to compete with using uno kenp in his place. It's far better to get that single round of combo's out of everyone followed by one round of non comboing followed by a round of comboing etc etc.
author: Aristeaus time: 2015-12-24 22:41:58
Edited by Aristeaus at 2015-12-24 22:43
Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-12-24 22:23
Tavern Urahara's stats and growth rate are simply not high enough to even hope to allow that strat ...
Possibly.
Kenny Unohana does 300% more damage then Tavern Urahara. If using Kisuke grants you one extra round of combos on average, it would produce 100+140+120%. If Kenny Unohana skilled twice every turn, you would need 2 extra rounds.
I cannot do the math on rounds without knowing Senjumaru's base Combo or Evo, but if we assume 10% total from both sources at a minimum, that would be 75% combo rate under buff and 110 gear.
That would give you:
55% chance to get 3 full rounds of attacks.
30% chance to get 4 full rounds of attacks.
16.6% chance to get 5 full rounds of attacks.
9% chance to get 6 full rounds of attacks.
This is not including basic attacks that can restart chains, which would increase the odds slightly. It is also not including Senjumaru starting with her combo buff, which every single round after the first round she will always start with her buff, as she will always have 100+ fury.
Without knowing all the different lines and stats, it is difficult to say, but regardless it isn't overly incorrect to use Tavern Urahara. 30% of the time, minimum, it will out damage ( or at least be very close to ) Kenny Unohana.
author: Kosmodestiny time: 2015-12-24 22:55:47
Edited by Kosmodestiny at 2015-12-24 23:00
Aristeaus replied at 2015-12-24 22:41
Possibly.
Kenny Unohana does 300% more damage then Tavern Urahara. If using Kisuke grants you one ...
It's difficult to understand what you mean by that 3, 4, 5,6 full rounds of attack stuff but it sounds like you think you can combo more than once per turn per character. If you think so(you cant'), then you're way off on your estimates of things. If not (and I hope not) then I'm not entirely sure what you do mean. It's a bit late here and I'm tired so I might need a clearer explanation lol.
author: Aristeaus time: 2015-12-24 23:19:45
Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-12-24 22:55
It's difficult to understand what you mean by that 3, 4, 5,6 full rounds of attack stuff but it sou ...
That is what I mean. I was under the impression that there was no hard limit the amount of attacks.
I remember Watman saying something about him seeing 3x attacks per character, which would imply more then 1 combo per character being possible. Not saying he was correct, but I tend to believe him when he says he confirmed it being possible way back when.
author: Kosmodestiny time: 2015-12-24 23:25:31
Aristeaus replied at 2015-12-24 23:19
That is what I mean. I was under the impression that there was no hard limit the amount of attacks ...
No, that is so so wrong lol. You know that for a very long time isshin gave 100% combo rate right? And his combo lasts 2 turns. Which is long enough that he and the assaulter line always had combo on them. It never wore off. So what were you thinking happened then? That people with isshin just continued to attack forever and ever and ever and ever? No, just no.
author: Aristeaus time: 2015-12-24 23:34:31
Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-12-24 23:25
No, that is so so wrong lol. You know that for a very long time isshin gave 100% combo rate right? ...
Well, if you say so, then it is so. Honestly, I don't know what I was thinking. Probably something about Isshin not being able to recover fury inside of his combo duration, I dunno.
I mean, I am almost certainly getting Senjumaru regardless, so it doesn't matter much. Just trying to tinker with what she would be fit into.
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