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author: meekrat time: 2016-1-4 21:54:44 Title: Hit Rate question...

So.....I am curious to know what everyone thinks is a good average hit rate is for PVP.

I run about 2.5 million BP, formation is Noz Kenny, CSB Aizen, Kirinji and then I interchange Shini Kisuke, Kisuke, Cute Orihime etc.  For Zanpakuto I run Hyorinmaru/Muramasa.  What I am trying to figure out is what average hit rate each of my partners need to not miss a majority of the time, I'd be ok missing one out of say ten hit chances.

Right now each of my partner's hit rates are 183%, 175%, 170%, 184%, 178%.  With these hit rates I don't seem to ever really miss (extremely rarely).

I'm not considering facing anyone with an absurd dodge build like say facing an Ishida Ryuken, considering I've never faced one in the months he's been out in neither CSB nor HMA.  Facing a normal average player, whether their VIP1 or VIP10, I'm looking to see what people think the average hit rate is needed to land a hit a majority of the time.  I would like to free up some spirit stone slots if possible, so I am looking to upgrade some stones to condense the amount of hit stones each of my partners use.  Any intelligent input would be appreciated.

Also, I've already beaten Aizen long ago in Hollowmap, so dun care about hit rate for Hollowmap fights, only for PVP purposes.

Thanks!

#UBPprophet

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-4 21:56:13

190% to fight max dodge

author: Uzumakia1 time: 2016-1-4 22:02:27

So basically 200% would be a definite.

author: meekrat time: 2016-1-4 22:08:05

190%? 200%? I said I was looking for intelligent comments, those are 1) obvious, 2) not helpful.

I already stated my current hit rates, which go as low as 170%, and already stated that I almost never miss. I also went as far as saying I was not considering any absurd dodge builds, which I should be more specific in saying it is rare to come up against a VG with 90% dodge rate (or higher). I am looking for the lowest average hit rate that people have observed having, and still hitting/not missing often, against players somewhere around my competition level.

I dun care if you got a Yachiru with 100% dodge, cause guess what, my Zanpakuto alone will wipe out your entire team.

author: meekrat time: 2016-1-4 22:13:50

For shits and giggles, I just went in-game and checked the dodge rate of the top 5 players (which include myself), only one of us has over 10% dodge on our VG's. Which was about the same 6 months ago as well, for the most part, at high competition level, dodge stones are a waste of slot on a VG, you'd be better off using a lvl 4 wisdom stone then a lvl 12 dodge stone.

Not saying all higher end players don't put dodge on their VG, but a majority do not....unless their really high end VIP's and have +2 slots on all of their gear for their VG.

author: bwg2469 time: 2016-1-4 22:17:27

meekrat replied at 2016-1-4 19:13
For shits and giggles, I just went in-game and checked the dodge rate of the top 5 players (which in ...

Very rare people run dodge on their partners. I try to stay at 200% myself and merge stones in to make room for other useful stones like counter or block. In the rare chance your opponent will have super high dodge, i think you can adjust at that time.

author: shadarlo time: 2016-1-4 23:46:23

Edited by shadarlo at 2016-1-4 23:48

At 153% on one partner I still never see him dodged in PvP. But I tend to run max dodge on my VG and have noticed Soph Rang does indeed dodge some stronger opponents at times and it has won me a fight here or there that I might not otherwise have won due to them not getting fury. When I tried out a build with Nel I actually could beat FAR stronger opponents at times due to her enhanced dodge build abilities. I'd likely have built around her if not for the new Red partners coming out and making her now totally uselessly slow in comparison.

I'm curious how you beat Aizen in hollow soul "long ago" as I have 2.4 mil BP and am stuck on the 2nd fight. I gather Noz made it possible with a very high hit rate? My highest hit rate there is Sexy Yoru at 220+ and she misses in the second fight about 80% of the time it seems. And even without a miss, the group fight on the first Aizen fight was hard enough... I'd imagine the 2nd will be a bit harder. I'd imagine Aizen's final group fight is harder still. So I'm wondering what I'm missing to be only 100k under you and not anywhere near clearing Aizen it would seem.

author: SosaRey time: 2016-1-4 23:50:52

meekrat replied at 2016-1-4 22:08
190%? 200%? I said I was looking for intelligent comments, those are 1) obvious, 2) not helpful.

I ...

And how exactly does a zampaktou wipe out a whole team? Does it get stronger by your level, reiatsu, how exactly does your zampaktou get stronger to wipe a whole team, besides fortifying it?

author: SosaRey time: 2016-1-4 23:53:08

shadarlo replied at 2016-1-4 23:46
At 153% on one partner I still never see him dodged in PvP. But I tend to run max dodge on my VG an ...

Is that 2.4 mil normal BP or reiatsu/pve BP?

author: NNatsu time: 2016-1-5 02:08:04

You never have enough hit rate if your opponent is using Ryuuken.

I use 200% on everybody though lol

author: @ra5h_V time: 2016-1-5 02:43:11

NNatsu replied at 2016-1-5 10:08
You never have enough hit rate if your opponent is using Ryuuken.

chinen kota disagreed

author: @ra5h_V time: 2016-1-5 02:47:42

all u saying is ur hit rate is enough or not. this game showed so many things which needs tests to figure out and u said u didnt faced ryuken for test. right?

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-5 03:13:31

SosaRey replied at 2016-1-4 23:50
And how exactly does a zampaktou wipe out a whole team? Does it get stronger by your level, reiat ...

yh it does...
By fortification it can and if it has good growth rate on its attack like 138% to 140% or 150%.
Well i use kazeshini which is 120% when i battle how levels after he goes off he halfs their hp.

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-5 03:17:09

@ra5h_V replied at 2016-1-5 02:47
all u saying is ur hit rate is enough or not. this game showed so many things which needs tests to f ...

Ryuken gets a 260% to 300% dodge rate...
Even minus Using Nel...

author: NNatsu time: 2016-1-5 04:39:07

[email protected] replied at 2016-1-5 03:17
Ryuken gets a 260% to 300% dodge rate...
Even minus Using Nel...

That's not correct. He maxes out at a lot less.

author: @ra5h_V time: 2016-1-5 04:41:14

[email protected] replied at 2016-1-5 11:17
Ryuken gets a 260% to 300% dodge rate...
Even minus Using Nel...

wish there was an event for testing that things

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-5 05:48:00

NNatsu replied at 2016-1-5 04:39
That's not correct. He maxes out at a lot less.

Nope... he doesnt max out... i have calculated he surpasses 90%.
Also i had to go to Russian Server to get someone who uses him.
Didnt really speak english thou but he was OP af...
Although the only difference btw him and brenji is 280% growth and aoe crt damage bonus (crt damage to do more damage during crt and not to increase crt rate. so its useless unless your allies crt.)
While is has extra crt damage too... which he always crts due to his boost on brk def...
He also get buff after skill which makes him a vanguard buster.
Against a vanguard (dodge,(he crt damage is OP af ) crt plus 100%, brk def plus 100%, hp recovery.)
Put him up against Noza might be a fair fight thou depending.)

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-5 05:48:28

@ra5h_V replied at 2016-1-5 04:41
wish there was an event for testing that things

yah i does...

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-5 05:51:00

Edited by [email protected] at 2016-1-5 06:00

Had to track down a user ... Took a while.

This was before she switched...
i could record it on time... lack of communication, can't speak so well. so i just tried to be as fast as possible to see what i could.

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author: NNatsu time: 2016-1-5 06:24:45

[email protected] replied at 2016-1-5 05:48
Nope... he doesnt max out... i have calculated he surpasses 90%.
Also i had to go to Russian Serve ...

Yeah but he stops at 150% if I remember correctly with bonds and such. No where near 280%
Comparing him to Berserk Renji makes you stupid, he's not even in the same league as Renji, I don't feel like arguing facts with you so this conversation ends now.

author: NNatsu time: 2016-1-5 06:26:52

[email protected] replied at 2016-1-5 05:48
Nope... he doesnt max out... i have calculated he surpasses 90%.
Also i had to go to Russian Serve ...

The most hit you'd ever have to have to hit a Ryuuken is 280%, which is extraordinarily easy to get lol, stop trying to justify a bad partner.

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-5 06:44:28

NNatsu replied at 2016-1-5 06:24
Yeah but he stops at 150% if I remember correctly with bonds and such. No where near 280%
Comparing ...

Dude... he passed 150%.
And yes i compare him with Brenji cuz he can match him, if you dont know then you stupid.
I study this things cuz i was thinking of buying one of them... if you dont do research then shut the fuck up.

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-5 06:47:37

NNatsu replied at 2016-1-5 06:26
The most hit you'd ever have to have to hit a Ryuuken is 280%, which is extraordinarily easy to ge ...

And you have never used him so he isn't bad... and even thou you used him if you don't know shit then he can be bad for you...
I might nt wanna get him just cuz of the pve fact and nt pvp cuz am sure of him taken out a whole line and not just two partner at a go...
So with an Aoe support like AizenCSB he can take care of a line then move to the next.
And he Attacks Assaulter and Then Support before going to vanguard.

author: JianJinhai time: 2016-1-5 06:48:20

[email protected] replied at 2016-1-5 06:44
Dude... he passed 150%.
And yes i compare him with Brenji cuz he can match him, if you dont know t ...

i leave the game for 5 days and this is the first thing i see. bad players stay bad #rip

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-5 06:49:58

JianJinhai replied at 2016-1-5 06:48
i leave the game for 5 days and this is the first thing i see. bad players stay bad #rip

Unless you know how to use him... many people haven't used him thats why and more so the one that does haven't even done his Evo for that boost.
HE can One Shot at t1... and he will fit in nicely to my formation. if i get him.

author: JianJinhai time: 2016-1-5 06:52:04

[email protected] replied at 2016-1-5 06:49
Unless you know how to use him... many people haven't used him thats why and more so the one that ...

???? he only hits assaulters with a poor 180%... cmon man..

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-5 06:53:10

Edited by [email protected] at 2016-1-5 06:56

NNatsu replied at 2016-1-5 06:26
The most hit you'd ever have to have to hit a Ryuuken is 280%, which is extraordinarily easy to ge ...

Also brenji is only 1.7 percent stronger than him...
I did the maths with his evo and basic stats...
And he get crt and crt damage which is a great boost making it 2.0
But the has brk defence which cutz down defence and leaves you with HP...
So something like phy and kido defence becomes void and all you have to cut down is HP to the Kill...

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-5 06:55:24

Edited by [email protected] at 2016-1-5 06:57

JianJinhai replied at 2016-1-5 06:52
???? he only hits assaulters with a poor 180%... cmon man..

he hits assaulters and then support. After assaulters are dead.
And growth is a very good boost i know but well isn't it same as isshin and higher than shinigami kensei...
Which still one shot depending on str level.

author: JianJinhai time: 2016-1-5 07:35:54

[email protected] replied at 2016-1-5 06:55
he hits assaulters and then support. After assaulters are dead.
And growth is a very good boost i k ...

lets put one of the slowest partners in the game and compare him to partners who are gods at what they do AXAXAXa

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-5 07:53:50

JianJinhai replied at 2016-1-5 07:35
lets put one of the slowest partners in the game and compare him to partners who are gods at what ...

He is Faster than Brenji...
Did you even calculate Anything.
I don't like arguing but i hate when people don't study things and just conclude based on what they perceive

author: JianJinhai time: 2016-1-5 09:47:10

[email protected] replied at 2016-1-5 07:53
He is Faster than Brenji...
Did you even calculate Anything.
I don't like arguing but i hate when ...

renji is made for pve, understandable that he's slow, and his 5th mod (i believe the support mod) compensates for his speed, ryuuken is just pure trash.. end of story

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-5 10:06:33

JianJinhai replied at 2016-1-5 09:47
renji is made for pve, understandable that he's slow, and his 5th mod (i believe the support mod) ...

I didn't say he was trash and i didn't say ryuken is beta...
Am trying to tell you guys not to dismiss a partner that you have never used.
He might be fantastic but his not perfect is brenji has it all.
But ryuken as is own bonus too... like in ryoka event you can dodge the skill attack (i have seen hollow ichigo and kido MC do it) and continue fighting for another 5 rounds until he doesn't dodge ryoka skill attack again... so it depends on use.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-1-5 10:25:22

[email protected] replied at 2016-1-5 06:55
he hits assaulters and then support. After assaulters are dead.
And growth is a very good boost i k ...

shini kensei blows him out of the water... combo rate, AOE attack, and total control... yeah, same category as that dodge o matic that isshin destroys... lol yeah bro,

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-5 12:31:26

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-1-5 10:25
shini kensei blows him out of the water... combo rate, AOE attack, and total control... yeah, ...

Well. kensei would be blow out by any kido class...
but well true to say am just trying to look for reasons to buy him except for the fact he can take out a line.
while brenji just picks 2... And except for that i don't really need any other thing than a partner that is a clean up. my support do the major damage aoe based.

author: shadarlo time: 2016-1-5 12:45:50

Edited by shadarlo at 2016-1-5 12:48

SosaRey replied at 2016-1-4 23:53
Is that 2.4 mil normal BP or reiatsu/pve BP?

2.4 mil normal BP - ~3 mil reaitsu I believe. Oh any my Sexy Yoru has 237% hit rate, just looked. Still almost never hit in the 2nd aizen solo fight.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-1-5 13:51:39

[email protected] replied at 2016-1-5 12:31
Well. kensei would be blow out by any kido class...
but well true to say am just trying to look f ...

was just pulling your chain, lol

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-1-5 14:18:22

[email protected] replied at 2016-1-5 12:31
Well. kensei would be blow out by any kido class...
but well true to say am just trying to look f ...

csb byaukua and resurrection ulquorria are both monsters of aoe damage and technically free
Yama can also be a monster
Sexy Yourichi is a fury booster and can help your back row deal more damage, while she helps destroy vanguards
Shini Yourichi's isn't a hard core killer, but her invincibility makes her a wild card and I've been beaten by many people weaker than me that had a fast one before I had T1 on Isshin
Of course if money isn't an concern, Mugetsu is still a very good partner, strong, fast, AOE damage, and boosts combo rate of supports
I hear the new assaulter with the sword almost as big as Cloud Strife's from FF7 is amazing also

author: NNatsu time: 2016-1-5 14:20:48

[email protected] replied at 2016-1-5 12:31
Well. kensei would be blow out by any kido class...
but well true to say am just trying to look f ...

You're an idiot just leave.

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-5 15:20:47

NNatsu replied at 2016-1-5 14:20
You're an idiot just leave.

You still drinking breast milk...

author: [email protected] time: 2016-1-5 15:22:26

well. whatever just wanted to argue about something.
Guess am going too far... But NNatsu stop drinking breast milk (GROW-UP)

author: Suzuken time: 2016-1-5 16:19:30

i'm not even gonna bother reading the shit that happened here, lmao

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2016-1-5 16:20:06

Suzuken replied at 2016-1-5 21:19
i'm not even gonna bother reading the shit that happened here, lmao

shit happens from everywhere

even from mouths

FFS I HAVE TO FORGET ABOUT THAT

author: Suzuken time: 2016-1-5 16:21:00

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2016-1-6 00:20
shit happens from everywhere

even from mouths

HAHAAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHA

why they fuck do i know what you mean ...
god i need to watch less 'anime'

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2016-1-5 17:02:52

Suzuken replied at 2016-1-5 21:21
HAHAAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHA

why they fuck do i know what you mean ...

we've both been linked by Bruh huh

author: meekrat time: 2016-1-5 18:01:35

SosaRey replied at 2016-1-4 23:50
And how exactly does a zampaktou wipe out a whole team? Does it get stronger by your level, reiat ...

Your zanpakuto damage changes, and it has nothing to do with fortify. Your zanpakuto does damage to a team based on a % of your damage. If I fought someone 30 lvls lower then me, my zanpakuto would instantly kill their entire team.

Zanpakuto's also ignore things like defense, they work similar to how DOT's (damage over time) work. Just like you can't dodge a zanpakuto hit.

author: meekrat time: 2016-1-5 18:08:53

shadarlo replied at 2016-1-4 23:46
At 153% on one partner I still never see him dodged in PvP. But I tend to run max dodge on my VG an ...

When I say "long ago", let me clarify, I beat him a couple months ago, so in hindsight I would probably change "long ago" to, "awhile ago".

Starrk is a god, that is how I beat him. I did not even own Noz Kenny when I beat the final group fight of Aizen. Also, I beat the group fight with -50 (disadvantage). At 312% hit rate on Starrk I only hit Aizen about 55-60% of the time. I would have needed 1 more lvl 11 hit stones to be able to beat solo challenge, consistantly, so I instead chose to focus on the group fight....which I won. You need about 320% hit rate to hit Aizen often in 1v1. My total BP (regular BP, not PVP BP) was under 2 million when I beat Aizen. I've gained about half a million BP since I beat him.

author: meekrat time: 2016-1-5 18:09:49

shadarlo replied at 2016-1-4 23:46
At 153% on one partner I still never see him dodged in PvP. But I tend to run max dodge on my VG an ...

P.S. Thank you. You were about one of 3 people, in 5 pages worth of posts, that posted anything f'ing relevant to my post/question -- so thanks!

author: SosaRey time: 2016-1-5 20:39:21

shadarlo replied at 2016-1-5 12:45
2.4 mil normal BP - ~3 mil reaitsu I believe. Oh any my Sexy Yoru has 237% hit rate, just looked. ...

Well I guess I'm nowhere near beating aizens minions then. I'm just one his first minion and my bp is around 1.6million

author: SosaRey time: 2016-1-5 20:42:37

meekrat replied at 2016-1-5 18:01
Your zanpakuto damage changes, and it has nothing to do with fortify. Your zanpakuto does damage ...

Zampaktou does damage to a team based on a % of my damage? Who's exact damage? My main, my assaulters? Cause I'm pve oriented and if it's damage based then my zampaktou damage should be high on my zangetsu.

author: SosaRey time: 2016-1-5 20:47:34

meekrat replied at 2016-1-5 18:08
When I say "long ago", let me clarify, I beat him a couple months ago, so in hindsight I would pro ...

And there are people over 2 million that haven't beat him yet, lol. Not to offend these people by anyway.

author: meekrat time: 2016-1-5 22:09:13

SosaRey replied at 2016-1-5 20:47
And there are people over 2 million that haven't beat him yet, lol. Not to offend these people by ...

There are people on my server with over 600,000+ more raw BP then me, that lose to me in the arena. BP isn't everything. Strategy > brute force, same thing appliesa to Hollow Map, carefully placed characters, with specific stats can make all the difference in the world.

During my final Aizen fights, there were times my VG went down to under 5,000 hp...out of 1,000,000+ HP's, you're talking down to 1% or less of health, but it was all calculated and dliberate, pushing the limits, and also a little bit of luck in PVE fights never hurts =P

If you want to know how Zanpakuto's damage rate works, you should start a new thread, then again if it has any success like this one, you'll get 5 pages of garbage and like 2-3 useful posts =P

author: SosaRey time: 2016-1-5 22:16:28

meekrat replied at 2016-1-5 22:09
There are people on my server with over 600,000+ more raw BP then me, that lose to me in the arena ...

Well you do got a good hollow soul team so I'm not surprised you already beat it. CSB aizen replaces gin and aizen in stuns, and that stark is so very good, with hyorin. I'm just wondering how you survived, or your team survived aizen's battle if you lost the solo round. That would mean the enemy would skill before you, thus your team would receive skill damage.

I wouldn't imagine anybody on your team surviving except stark because of hyorinmaru.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-1-5 23:17:05

SosaRey replied at 2016-1-5 20:42
Zampaktou does damage to a team based on a % of my damage? Who's exact damage? My main, my assau ...

total damage of whole party

author: SosaRey time: 2016-1-5 23:32:02

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-1-5 23:17
total damage of whole party

And how do I find my total damage, what tab, if I may say. And apologies if I sound like a noob asking for these things. It's just I just saw a tensa zangetsu wipe out the supporters of the top guy in my server.

author: Suzuken time: 2016-1-6 04:42:51

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2016-1-6 01:02
we've both been linked by Bruh huh

Nah, i watched that anime waaaaaaaaaay before brah linked me

*cough* for research *cough*

author: shadarlo time: 2016-1-6 08:43:03

meekrat replied at 2016-1-5 18:08
When I say "long ago", let me clarify, I beat him a couple months ago, so in hindsight I would pro ...

I'm always so surprised when people talk up Starrk so much.  He's always sucked for me.  I got rid of him ages ago for Soph Rang and she's been dramatically stronger for me since day 1.  I suppose his strength comes if you make him your #1 partner and stack stuff on him so he hits harder and regens more and takes less damage.  But you need an entire build focused around it with zanpak and all.  I can't even do that if I wanted.

I definitely won't be getting to 320% hit rate any time soon... just breaking 240% took a long time.  And I don't have a way to stack my VG, at least not with a VG Zanpak, so I'm probably looking at a lot lot longer until I beat Aizen.

It's frustrating this one fight needs hit rate when in PvP hit rate is nearly meaningless now.  I feel like dodge needs to get a resurgence somehow.  I have always felt if you dodge an attack the other portions (skill side effects) of the enemies attack shouldn't land either.  That would definitely make people more interested in dodge, lol.

author: 595459354 time: 2016-1-6 10:39:35

meekrat replied at 2016-1-5 04:08
190%? 200%? I said I was looking for intelligent comments, those are 1) obvious, 2) not helpful.

I ...

You do realise you're looking for the most OBVIOUS answer that has already been given to you right, being 190%Hit

What you really are after are the exceptions.. Ryuuken Ishida/Nell/other shit. But since you stated in your first post that you don't need that info, 190%hit it is.

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