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author: shadarlo time: 2016-3-16 00:09:03 Title: Host Mod Soul - Gold reset = 100%

I've been told by someone who did it that host mod soul resets 100% of pills if you use gold, not 80% like it says. Can anyone else confirm?

I know I reset it for silver before and believe I got 80% back.

author: SosaRey time: 2016-3-16 00:29:21

I can't confirm as of recent but I resetted if I remember correctly about 6 or so months ago. I used gold and it definately didn't give me back 100% it gave me 80%.

author: shadarlo time: 2016-3-16 07:34:50

SosaRey replied at 2016-3-16 00:29
I can't confirm as of recent but I resetted if I remember correctly about 6 or so months ago. I use ...

Interesting. The person that told me would definitely not lie about it to me. He said he reset, didn't like it... so he reset again to the way he was and is still at the same level as he was originally.

author: shadarlo time: 2016-3-16 09:51:40

I really really want to reset and get Gin.... but I'm so afraid of not getting 100% back, lol.

author: Devvoke2 time: 2016-3-16 09:54:20

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author: shadarlo time: 2016-3-16 10:06:39

Devvoke2 replied at 2016-3-16 09:54
if gin is that much better than your current mod soul and you can take the power loss for pve/pvp ...

I have lvl 94ish Kenpachi atm. I know I can get gin and probably to lvl 30ish? which should be about the same BP all around. But that's with 100% Reset. With 80% or 60% I wouldn't even get gin so I'd get a DRAMATIC loss of BP and overall power.

author: Devvoke2 time: 2016-3-16 10:19:26

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author: shadarlo time: 2016-3-16 10:34:01

Devvoke2 replied at 2016-3-16 10:19
damn well you already committed to that ken too hard for a reset

so the real question is do you ...

Holmes seems to be a tiny upgrade over gin to me... it's basically just more pdef. A lot more pdef of course, but still.... nothing else changes. And holmes would take, IMO, 12 more months than Gin would. Just like gin takes about 6-8+ more months than Kenpachi does.

The only reason I'd consider switching is because I was told I'd definitely get 100% back on gold reset. In which case it seem a no brainer.

author: shadarlo time: 2016-3-16 10:39:49

I'll solve this riddle for myself by topping up $5 on my alt and resetting his mod soul.

author: shadarlo time: 2016-3-16 10:44:41

You get 100% back with gold.

author: shadarlo time: 2016-3-16 10:52:22

Ok, so.... now that I'm looking at it again, I'm afraid I may not have enough to even get Gin yet even with a 100% reset on my lvl 95 Kenpachi.

I'll have to get a lvl 30 druid and a lvl 80 Batman and 10 more lvls on Goku.... that's a lot of pills.

Does anyone have any calculators for Mod Soul leveling?

author: Devvoke2 time: 2016-3-16 12:11:40

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author: Evild4nte time: 2016-3-16 13:17:35

Devvoke2 replied at 2016-3-16 18:11
kenpachi to gin is a lil upgrade holmes is gawwd tier but I will give you more info when I get my ...

The mod souls one the left and right are much easyer to obtain, so there is a huge difference to the middle ones. Gin and Iron Man are much better, when looking at the speed. Holmes has only type of def more, than the other ones and needs very longer. U need two tier 2 mod souls at level 90, which costs already 5k for one level at level 80.
Iron Man and Gin needs one lv 80 mod soul from the middle tier 2 ones and one at lv 60 from the edge of the tier 2 mod souls, which are even cheaper till lv 60 than for example druid at lv 40.
Coz of this, Gin is a bit cheaper than Iron man, coz you need druid only at level 30 and not at 40 like for iron man.

author: shadarlo time: 2016-3-16 13:33:37

Evild4nte replied at 2016-3-16 13:17
The mod souls one the left and right are much easyer to obtain, so there is a huge difference to t ...

So at level 80 Batman it costs 5k or so?

I've been really trying to figure out if I can afford to get Gin if I reset my Kenpachi lvl 95.... and if Batman is 5k at 80 then I'm pretty sure I can just barely get to Gin.

And yeah, Holmes is only a tiny upgrade over Gin. Also, Gin is better than Iron man because support is dominant right now in the game, so kdef > pdef.

author: shadarlo time: 2016-3-16 13:43:15

Ok so... lvl 95 Kenpachi wasn't enough to get to Gin.... I am 4 days away

But that's DAMN close.

LVL 96 Kenpachi is enough to get to Gin. Just for anyone's future reference.

author: Evild4nte time: 2016-3-16 17:17:55

shadarlo replied at 2016-3-16 19:43
Ok so... lvl 95 Kenpachi wasn't enough to get to Gin.... I am 4 days away But that's DAMN close ...

So u got 100% of ur points back ?

Btw i am sure, that the lasted time i checked, gin had pdef and iron man kido def. Was it changed ?

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2016-3-16 17:31:04

Evild4nte replied at 2016-3-16 22:17
So u got 100% of ur points back ?

Btw i am sure, that the lasted time i checked, gin had pdef an ...

Which one do you have? Or planning to get?

You're op with any but i'd like to know anyways

Wuv u Kagawa <3

author: moongoatie time: 2016-3-16 17:33:35

Edited by moongoatie at 2016-3-16 17:37

Just to cheer you up a bit, changing from Batman 80lv to Gin lv 1 I got about 180k bp @ 2.8m, it's a nice boost in overall stats.

author: Evild4nte time: 2016-3-16 17:34:27

Edited by Evild4nte at 2016-3-16 23:46

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2016-3-16 23:31
Which one do you have? Or planning to get?

You're op with any but i'd like to know anyways

I need 7 more level on Calendula to get Iron Man. I am sure it gave mdef, when i planned it.

Edit: Ok, i used the reset and have a level 18 Gin now, who was at level 1 already better than lv 80 Sakuragi or Batman.

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2016-3-16 17:46:50

Evild4nte replied at 2016-3-16 22:34
I need 7 more level on Calendula to get Iron Man. I am sure it gave mdef, when i planned it.

Edit: ...

oh no whoops, Kenpachi gives more Kido def than him, Iron Man is actually the lowest

Gin seems like the one for what you want I believe, in terms of a fast but good route ^^

Wuv u Kagawa <3

author: SosaRey time: 2016-3-16 18:47:23

shadarlo replied at 2016-3-16 07:34
Interesting. The person that told me would definitely not lie about it to me. He said he reset, ...

I resetted once only. They did not definately give me 100% back. If it helps I resetted the calendula level 48 mod soul, because I decided I wanted to go for goku/kenpachi instead. Overall consumed a good amount of gold and I regretted what I did.

I can also say when I leveled back the calendula, it started at level one. I believe it might depend on how many levels the current mod soul have and how much levels you reset.

author: SosaRey time: 2016-3-16 18:50:35

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2016-3-16 17:46
oh no whoops, Kenpachi gives more Kido def than him, Iron Man is actually the lowest

Gin seems ...

Iron man is the lowest what??? Kido def you mean?

author: Evild4nte time: 2016-3-17 07:56:57

I had to reset 4 mod souls for around 1k gold at all.

Sakuragi Lv. 80 --> Batman Lv. 80
Calendula Lv. 53 --> Goku Lv. 60
Druid Lv. 40 --> Druid Lv 30
Carribean Lv. 30 --> Spiderman Lv. 40
With the rest i had enough left to get Gin to Lv. 18, so i am quite sure, that gold reset gives 100% back.
So Gin is better than Iron Man coz MDef > PDef to avoid initial Oneshot and even cheaper.

Here are his stats at lowlevel.

author: shadarlo time: 2016-3-17 10:02:51

Evild4nte replied at 2016-3-16 17:17
So u got 100% of ur points back ?

Btw i am sure, that the lasted time i checked, gin had pdef an ...

Yes, definitely got 100% back.

author: shadarlo time: 2016-3-17 10:03:29

moongoatie replied at 2016-3-16 17:33
Just to cheer you up a bit, changing from Batman 80lv to Gin lv 1 I got about 180k bp @ 2.8m, it's a ...

Nice! I need that to get back to where I was, plus a little boost

My BP should jump fairly quickly as I level up Gin too then. Really excited!

author: shadarlo time: 2016-3-17 10:04:29

SosaRey replied at 2016-3-16 18:47
I resetted once only. They did not definately give me 100% back. If it helps I resetted the cale ...

It definitely gives 100% now, a few of us have done it.

Can't guarantee it will always give 100%, but at the moment it does.

author: shadarlo time: 2016-3-17 10:04:57

Evild4nte replied at 2016-3-17 07:56
I had to reset 4 mod souls for around 1k gold at all.

Sakuragi Lv. 80 --> Batman Lv. 80

Awesome! I can't wait! And even at 20 it costs so little per lvl for such huge stats!

author: bwg2469 time: 2016-3-17 11:52:58

Evild4nte replied at 2016-3-17 04:56
I had to reset 4 mod souls for around 1k gold at all.

Sakuragi Lv. 80 --> Batman Lv. 80

Did you account for PVE defense with Ryoka that is needed with physical for the 3 2 0 or 2 3 0 formations? People will never hit wave 70 without enough physical defense. I had to add +12 hp stones just to survive after wave 69.

author: Evild4nte time: 2016-3-17 12:07:58

bwg2469 replied at 2016-3-17 17:52
Did you account for PVE defense with Ryoka that is needed with physical for the 3 2 0 or 2 3 0 form ...

I always thought Ryoka is kido dmg. But no idea, coz i nearly never do Ryoka in the middle of the night.

author: bwg2469 time: 2016-3-17 12:47:59

Evild4nte replied at 2016-3-17 09:07
I always thought Ryoka is kido dmg. But no idea, coz i nearly never do Ryoka in the middle of the ...

Honestly you could be correct. I just seen the animation on my characters and it looked like a normal physical hit. Maybe someone else can jump in and explain it a bit more.

Anyone else have a comment on is Ryoka physical or kido damage?

author: SosaRey time: 2016-3-17 12:48:30

shadarlo replied at 2016-3-17 10:04
It definitely gives 100% now, a few of us have done it.

Can't guarantee it will always give 100%, ...

Perhaps. I resetted early like 7 or so months ago. Perhaps they fixed it to 100% now.

author: shadarlo time: 2016-3-17 13:20:59

bwg2469 replied at 2016-3-17 12:47
Honestly you could be correct. I just seen the animation on my characters and it looked like a nor ...

Shouldn't be THAT hard to test... could swap lvl 10+ wis stones to an assaulter, then remove and see if dmg changes between 2 rounds.

I'd imagine diff waves could have diff damage types too? But really 70 is the main wave that matters.

author: bwg2469 time: 2016-3-17 14:32:20

shadarlo replied at 2016-3-17 10:20
Shouldn't be THAT hard to test... could swap lvl 10+ wis stones to an assaulter, then remove and se ...

I was thinking about it and i'm almost sure wave 70 is physical.

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-3-17 14:35:18

SosaRey replied at 2016-3-17 12:48
Perhaps. I resetted early like 7 or so months ago. Perhaps they fixed it to 100% now.

maybe its vip level if your vip level is enough it gives you 100% back

author: shadarlo time: 2016-3-17 14:49:51

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-3-17 14:35
maybe its vip level if your vip level is enough it gives you 100% back

I'm only VIP 7, so decently high but nothing crazy... but I suppose it's possible.

author: SosaRey time: 2016-3-17 16:28:10

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-3-17 14:35
maybe its vip level if your vip level is enough it gives you 100% back

Very good point. At that time my vip level was like 3.

author: Devvoke2 time: 2016-3-17 20:35:26

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author: shadarlo time: 2016-3-20 21:54:41

Devvoke2 replied at 2016-3-17 20:35
similar power just imagine a holmes lvl 5 will blow them out of the water

Why do you think Holmes is so good when confronted with the obvious evidence that there is almost no difference besides a little pdef? I mean, sure, he's better.... but holmes will always be 70+ levels below Gin. So there's almost never a time except when you've maxed gin at 150 and have tons of free points to spend that Holmes would be better. IT would take 3+ years for that, if not 4+

author: Devvoke2 time: 2016-3-20 22:07:33

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author: shadarlo time: 2016-3-21 12:51:16

You cannot get Holmes in 1 year, not even close.  It would take minimum 2 years.  I know because I've played for a little over 1 year and I JUST got Gin now.  Holmes is twice as long as Gin.

I had Kenpachi to lvl 95 in 1 year.  So in another year I'd have Gin to 80ish prob.  In another year after that 120 maybe?  And MAYBE in another year that would be 150.  That's 4 years of playing to max Gin out.  At that point I'd have holmes to MAYBE lvl 100 (the inner mod souls take longer to level).

A level 150 Gin will be far superior to a lvl 100 holmes.  So it would take another 12 months before holmes got into the 125+ range and he'd still be worse than Gin in every single stat except Pdef.  Another year or more after that he'd near 150 So... 6 years after you start, Holmes will be worth using... whereas Kenpachi is worth using in about 2 months and Gin is worth using in 1 year.

author: Uzumakia1 time: 2016-3-21 13:12:10

shadarlo replied at 2016-3-21 17:51
You cannot get Holmes in 1 year, not even close. It would take minimum 2 years. I know because I'v ...

Lolz. Hi...i'm here to point out the flaws in what you said.

Was going for holmes from the beginning. Got both saku and batman at lv60. Been playing for 7 months now.... so by the time i reach my 1yr (may 16th i think) both will be atleast 64/65. Unless you are saying it will take another year to get from 64/65 - 90 then holmes will not take 2yrs. Because of you guys that do 1 at a time then do the other next... then yeah. I do both at the same time

author: shadarlo time: 2016-3-21 13:36:03

Uzumakia1 replied at 2016-3-21 13:12
Lolz. Hi...i'm here to point out the flaws in what you said.

Yes, it will take another year.  And you made a huge mistake doing that as I pointed out in my previous post about how long it takes for holmes to be better than Gin.

From 80>81 is 5700 points.  that's 11.25 days for 1 lvl.  81>82 will be about 5800 points.  Etc.  So basically 130ish days from 80>90 on each of those two mod souls.  So 260 days combined.  From 65>80 will take over 100 days combined.  So it will be over another year until you get to Holmes.

Instead, basically right now you could have Gin already or just about have him.  Your BP would jump 130k the first day you had him at lvl 1.  The second day it would jump 10k more.  And then every day after that for a while you'd get 2-7k more BP.

Instead, you'll go another year with less than 1k bp increases every 7-13 days.

Saving for Holmes is a guaranteed way to gimp yourself in this game.  Even saving for Gin is really.  Getting Kenpachi or Hollowed Arrancar  and then resetting him after he is lvl 98-100 is the most effective way to do mod souls.  If you don't plan to reset with gold then just using Ken/Hollow is likely the far better path so you don't gimp yourself for 9 months waiting for the next mod soul.  Those 9 months you fall further and further behind in ES/Ryoka.  I'd wager the difference is close to 1 billion silver lost or more.

author: moongoatie time: 2016-3-21 13:38:20

shadarlo replied at 2016-3-21 13:36
Yes, it will take another year. And you made a huge mistake doing that as I pointed out in my pre ...

Just curious, how much gold did it take to reset a lv90 ken?

author: shadarlo time: 2016-3-21 13:40:08

moongoatie replied at 2016-3-21 13:38
Just curious, how much gold did it take to reset a lv90 ken?

You can check how much yours would take to reset without having to go through with it. It lists it on the reset page. But I think it was 800ish gold... don't remember exactly. Between 700-850. Worth every penny to swap to Gin. 7k speed boost and huge katk increase even at lvl 6. But a loss in patk for now... a few more weeks and things will be a huge overall boost. BP is identical now to Ken gave already, from lvl 95 > 6 lol.

author: Uzumakia1 time: 2016-3-21 13:48:02

shadarlo replied at 2016-3-21 18:36
Yes, it will take another year. And you made a huge mistake doing that as I pointed out in my pre ...

lolz, like everyone said... you are not relying on holmes alone. though they help.... but not as much as soul cultivation etc. you can get gin and still get your ass kicked in arena and csb... they aren't like getting mug rank or beating aizen. though i acknowledge their importance but they aren't a priority. you know what they say, patience is virtue

though ofcos DPS helps but many other ways to do that

author: shadarlo time: 2016-3-21 14:01:46

Uzumakia1 replied at 2016-3-21 13:48
lolz, like everyone said... you are not relying on holmes alone. though they help.... but not as m ...

Everything in this game you can say "that doesn't matter because  there are other ways to get BP".

But the point is, you have to do the best you can at every single thing.  No reason to gimp yourself in one area if you don't have to.

Going for Holmes simply is a poor choice until 5-6 years out.  For the first 12 months going for Gin is a poor choice.  After 1 year, Gin is the best choice until at MINIMUM 5 years out, he's better than holmes by a large margin until that point or even a bit after.

Patience is not a virtue in this game.  Patience is generally you falling further and further behind and once you do that, you can't catch up unless you dramatically outspend.

author: Uzumakia1 time: 2016-3-21 14:05:19

shadarlo replied at 2016-3-21 19:01
Everything in this game you can say "that doesn't matter because there are other ways to get BP". ...

ofcos... i'm not talking from a f2p point of view. untill Holmes kick in, i've got time on my hand

author: [email protected] time: 2016-3-24 05:06:29

moongoatie replied at 2016-3-21 19:38
Just curious, how much gold did it take to reset a lv90 ken?

My sakuragai was lvl 81 when i used the reset. Didn't use gold but i tried just to see how much would it be. it said 700 smth. I think it was 753 to be exact but not sure.

Then when i shifted the whole path from iron man to gintoki the lower ones like carribean (lvl 30) it asked for less then 100 gold, i think it was in 50 smthing, but it really doesn't matter since it's that low.

So the whole thing would probably take around 1k gold just to be safe and all, like dante wrote earlier, but shadarlo is on point with that 800ish for 90 ken.

author: Lucky__Black time: 2016-3-24 05:21:40

Wow, I have no idea what to do now >< I was going for sakuragi level 90 and then keeping it until I got batman level 90 (then going for holmes). But now I think going for either hollowed arrancar or kenpachi first would have been better, idk >< Well, I've done what I've done. I'm doing well in pvp and pve with my current level 51 sakuragi (only been playing 4-5 months), fortunately there are other ways to do well in pve/pvp (mod soul aside). So I'll probably stick with it, would rather not spend the next 4-5 months static, trying to get hollow arran or kenpachi and delay holmes even longer.

author: Shaffney time: 2016-3-24 06:16:11

Edited by Shaffney at 2016-3-24 12:24

Yup, just tried it out. 100% back with gold

author: [email protected] time: 2016-3-24 08:08:58

Time to contribute a little

lvl 81 sakuragai, calendula 32, carribean 30 (started with) ; lvl 69 batman and 40 spidey ended with

Decided to switch paths from iron man to gintoki. At first i wanted to try to experiment with carribean but accidentaly reseted sakuragai and said meh, all in. Reseted all of the previously mentioned mentioned mod souls, and then opened batman and goku (went from lvl 30 carribean to lvl 40 spiderman, i didn't touch druid lvl 40, the requ. for batman is lvl 30 druid and lvl 40 spidey). So suma sumarem, i didn't use gold but i previously mentioned how much it would have took. I wish i have put it all on paper but unfortunately i didn't, and currently not home to do some math, so feel free to jump in. So after reseting those 3 i was left with lvl 40 spidey and lvl 69 batman. Like i said didn't do math, but since it takes from 70 to 80 more, and espacially from 80 to 90 a lot lot more (took me maybe even a couple of weeks to get from 79 to 81 on sakuragai, and we all know lower lvls are easy; first 10 a joke, later on 2 lvls a day, around 30ish and 40 ish, lvl a day, ...)

Not sorry that i did it but it kind of stinks. When i started to do this i was noobier then now and choose this path to accomodate my main, figured he'd get some neato kido attack form sakuragai and then off to holmes. Then deicded to get iron man (stoped on 81 sakuragai, also note just a day from 81 to 82, and started lvling calendula). Then saw his stats and decided i could use gin better (kido def.). I'm still ok with batman bcs of that phys. attack and kido def. that my starrk get's (starrk + hyorin combo) but overall wasted a lot of days and effort. My silver also went down from 150k to 113k, so it's not even cheap with silver.

Conclusion not sure how much % did i get back, but like i said since 70 to 80, and especially from 80 it get's brutal, from just looking and assuming kind of I think i got 60% back and not 80%. So be carefull unless you got gold to spare

author: shadarlo time: 2016-3-24 11:20:09

Lucky__Black replied at 2016-3-24 05:21
Wow, I have no idea what to do now >< I was going for sakuragi level 90 and then keeping it until I ...

As I pointed out already, going for holmes is about the worst decision you can make. Any other decision is exponentially better depending if you're new or if you're 1-2 years in. Holmes doesn't pay off till at LEAST 5 years into the game and that could actually be 6+ years, depending on just how slow he levels in the 120 range.

author: shadarlo time: 2016-3-24 11:20:34

[email protected] replied at 2016-3-24 08:08
Time to contribute a little

lvl 81 sakuragai, calendula 32, carribean 30 (started with) ; lvl 69 ba ...

Silver resets are painful if its only 60%. Dang. But it sounds like you're on track now.

author: [email protected] time: 2016-3-24 14:25:47

shadarlo replied at 2016-3-24 17:20
Silver resets are painful if its only 60%. Dang. But it sounds like you're on track now.

Yeah it sucks, but not sorry and am glad that i'm finnaly clear with that and direction that i should move with mod souls. I worked on a lot of stuff in past 2 days XD. Shura should be icying on the cake, and i'm going back to pve for some time

I'm only dissapointed that as i guy that was already here when mod souls came out, and also a person from couple of first eu servers that i still won'te be seing gintoki for some time

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