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author: Leaty1 time: 2016-3-16 08:52:38 Title: THE ULTIMATE KATEN KYOKOTSU COUNTER

Fake elites enjoy getting your shit pushed in soon real soon

author: rythen time: 2016-3-16 09:20:03

Edited by rythen at 2016-3-18 22:24

here is her design (version 1 + version 2) leaked in the CN forums.

Swimsuit Kukaku Shiba

Vanguard

Talent: 35% Defense, 30% Stamina

Skill: Attack enemy assaulter's and support's, growth rate 180%, reduces assaulter's and support's Speed by 40% for 1 round, recover own Fury by 100 points

Exclusive Skill: Attack VG, 110%, Shield for all allies growth rate 20/60/100%, remove and immune to all debuffs while shield in effect

Mods
1. Add 10% Avoid Injury Rate (Immune Rate)
2. Aura/Halo: Reduces enemy's Support's Speed by 25%
3. Every 10% HP lose increase DEF by 10%
4. When HP lower than 50%, recover 30% growth rate
5. Attack has 100% chance to reduce enemys DEF by 100% for 1 round.
6. Add 50% Defense
7. Attack has 100% chance to reduce enemy ATK by 25% for 2 rounds

Version 2

talent same

Skill: Attack enemy assaulter's and support's, growth rate 180%, increase own supporter Aid Rate 50% for 3 rounds, increase own Avoid Injury Rate (Immune Rate) by 55% for 2 rounds

Exclusive Skilll: same

Mods:

2. Aura/Halo: increase assault support's DEF by 100%
4. When HP lower then 50%, recover 20% growth rate
5. When attacked, 40% chance to disarm for 1 round
7. When attacked, 100% chance to reduce target ATK by 25% for 1 round
all others same as version 1

its 1 partner, either version 1 or version 2

big thanks to dionysvs^^

author: fralloppo time: 2016-3-16 09:27:47

really interesting, but what exactly is aura?

apart from this, damn, I was thinking I was good with Noza as vg...

author: jw4115ta time: 2016-3-16 09:29:38

rythen replied at 2016-3-16 14:20
here is her design (version 1 + version 2) leaked in the CN forums.

Swimsuit Kukaku Shiba

what about block?!?! i see only defense

author: rythen time: 2016-3-16 09:29:46

fralloppo replied at 2016-3-16 15:27
really interesting, but what exactly is aura?

apart from this, damn, I was thinking I was good ...

its her Halo/Passiv

author: SeiryuSky time: 2016-3-16 09:29:53

rythen replied at 2016-3-16 09:20
here is her design (version 1 + version 2) leaked in the CN forums.

Swimsuit Kukaku Shiba

#WTF

#WHAT'S THAT VERSION THING?

#FS

author: rythen time: 2016-3-16 09:30:56

SeiryuSky replied at 2016-3-16 15:29
#WTF

They have 2 Skillsets for her, its not sure if they use version 1 or version 2 of her

author: SeiryuSky time: 2016-3-16 09:32:33

rythen replied at 2016-3-16 09:30
They have 2 Skillsets for her, its not sure if they use version 1 or version 2 of her

#VERSION 2 IS PRETTY BAD COMPARED TO VERSION 1

#HOPE THEY USE 1 LOL

author: Devvoke2 time: 2016-3-16 09:55:53

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author: theunknown404 time: 2016-3-16 09:56:58

Good news then. It's only a PvP thing.

author: RiadDahoe time: 2016-3-16 10:14:51

whoohooo, i'm gonna sell my kidney ...... lolzz

author: Brahmastra time: 2016-3-16 10:22:39

unzips wallet

author: Devvoke2 time: 2016-3-16 10:24:20

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author: Brahmastra time: 2016-3-16 10:26:09

Devvoke2 replied at 2016-3-16 16:24
unzips *pants *

FTFY

author: dionysvs time: 2016-3-16 11:07:52

she is by no means a katen counter, IF her first skillset is employeed shes simply another compulsory purchase if you want to remain pvp competitive in the game.
in the end its still about who is faster, and katen is still the fastest

my advice is to put off purchases as long as possible, atm the progression of this game is based on screwing over previous partners/setups completely, i can already see the next super fast assault lined up

author: 595459354 time: 2016-3-16 12:25:49

dionysvs replied at 2016-3-16 17:07
she is by no means a katen counter, IF her first skillset is employeed shes simply another compulsor ...

Mods
1. Add 10% Avoid Injury Rate
2. Aura/Halo: Reduce enemy Support Speed 25%
3. Every 10% lose HP increase Def by 10%
4. When HP lower than 50%, recover 30% growth rate
5. Attack has 100% chance to reduce enemys DEF by 100% for 1 round.
6. add 50% Defense
7. Attack has 100% chance to reduce enemy ATK by 25% for 2 rounds

How is she not a counter for Katen users who are relying on their support characters..

My advice is to not comment about speed, it's about damage.

author: dionysvs time: 2016-3-16 12:41:57

595459354 replied at 2016-3-16 12:25
How is she not a counter for Katen users who are relying on their support characters..

My advic ...

even if either side of a fight resulted to using assaults for faster speed, katen is still the fastest assault zanpakuto
so she is a sejumaru counter, a hikifune counter, but not a katen counter

and it is all about speed in pvp, for people of similar bp, even main using 10th should be ohko for all except vg

author: 595459354 time: 2016-3-16 13:00:23

dionysvs replied at 2016-3-16 18:41
even if either side of a fight resulted to using assaults for faster speed, katen is still the fas ...

You don't get it at all do ya.
Supporters are mostly control characters while assaulters are the ones dealing damage.

+ only speed difference is 90speed/fortify lvl.. like that's gonna be huge..
You don't buy Katen for assaulters anyway.. aka you've been focussing on your supporters and not your assaulters.

Hence she's a Katen counter.

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-3-16 13:05:59

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author: [email protected] time: 2016-3-16 13:09:16

595459354 replied at 2016-3-16 12:25
How is she not a counter for Katen users who are relying on their support characters..

My advic ...

oh Phreak once again appears here

author: Uzumakia1 time: 2016-3-16 13:09:45

i bet its gonna be version 2?

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-3-16 13:10:42

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author: dionysvs time: 2016-3-16 13:18:18

595459354 replied at 2016-3-16 13:00
You don't get it at all do ya.
Supporters are mostly control characters while assaulters are the o ...

supporters SHOULD be controlling, that i agree with
but fact is, they can ohko entire teams, especially sejumaru

and the halo affects all supports regardless of which zanpakuto is used
so if the player is forced to switch to assaulters for speed, katen is as good as any others

author: SeiryuSky time: 2016-3-16 14:14:18

Sylencer90 replied at 2016-3-16 13:10
Poor ichibe will get abandoned xD

#FOR THOSE BOOBS HE SURELY WOULDN'T MIND

#WOULD HE?

#I WON'T

#BOOBIES BOOBOO FOR THE WAY

#NEXT OP

#NAKED HIKIFUNE

author: SeiryuSky time: 2016-3-16 14:15:29

dionysvs replied at 2016-3-16 13:18
supporters SHOULD be controlling, that i agree with
but fact is, they can ohko entire teams, espec ...

#THOUGH CURRENT ASSAULTERS WILL REMAIN MUCH SLOWER THAN SUPP

#EVEN WITH KATEN AND -25% speed to supp

#LOL

author: Brahmastra time: 2016-3-16 14:27:27

dionysvs replied at 2016-3-16 19:18
supporters SHOULD be controlling, that i agree with
but fact is, they can ohko entire teams, espec ...

Katen doesn't have speed increase effects, other Zanpakutos do.
If you have a tanky team you can still survive Katen and have 2 people skill before the 2nd partner skills from the Katen team.

author: VertigoRed time: 2016-3-16 15:53:44

Any pics of her(if she even is a real char)?

author: binex1996 time: 2016-3-17 19:21:38

It's always nice to see info on new characters, be it fake or not

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-3-18 15:51:52

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author: rythen time: 2016-3-18 15:57:42

Sylencer90 replied at 2016-3-18 21:51
Any news on this?

nope. they just released koga kuchiki, should be the next month ultimate charge partner.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-3-18 15:59:47

she looks very similar to Soph Rangiku

author: IREG33 time: 2016-3-18 16:06:18

Cn will get version 1, we'll version 2 for 2x gold

author: NNatsu time: 2016-3-18 16:12:28

Lol, people thinking they'll be able to counter Katen with this.
I could take off my boots and outspeed 99% of you, I'm not worried at all.

author: [email protected] time: 2016-3-18 16:23:58

Edited by [email protected] at 2016-3-18 16:37

595459354 replied at 2016-3-16 12:25
How is she not a counter for Katen users who are relying on their support characters..

My advic ...

I get she is a good counter but only if the battle doesn't end in the 1st or 2nd round.
If she goes off she reduces speed/recovers furry which is pretty huge.
But 1st she has to go off, anyone using katen would(senju/hiki) would be a million miles faster> just saying.
and probably with t1 so she gets no furry and mostly before she even gets to 100 furry her whole team will be dead. so not really good.

But the only way for her to be able to help a little is if probably the enemy doesn't have t1 while she has t1 which will make her own team faster even thou originally they were slower.
But i really don't see much people going after her, when Noza can easily shut her down.(he just needs to be faster/t1 or sumone like senju just needs to stop her from getting furry while noza gets and then shuts her down while they others rekt her team.)

So in no way i don't understand her countering anything except for her mod - 20 speed which might be good. Thats if the difference in speed of the two team are not so much apart.

(Am not opposing your view am just saying i don't see much of a problem cause of her, if someone buys her and beats you, am sure within a day or two.
You would have countered that for sure. so ultimately for me she is good as a tank: AOE attack/Recovery furry)

author: [email protected] time: 2016-3-18 16:33:58

Ultimately she is an Early Game/Mid Game Vanguard at End game its either you are a speed/cc or a Rapist.
A rapist will most likely One shot her whole team mates... and even thou they go on 1st cause of her - 20, they will most likely have a beefy defense cause resulting from high attack(in respective order.)
A speed/cc most likely won't be affected by this since they can shutdown whole team.
Even if... she becomes a problem a work around can be found.
The only people i see likely to purchase her won't have a need for her, as most are already OP and don't even use vanguards.

With that been said, those that will go for her are the challengers who are hoping to be able to slow down the top-dogs and cc so to be able to win.
THE DIFFERENCE OF -20% SHOULD HOWEVER BE CONSIDERED AND CALCULATED IF YOU REDUCE 20% SPEED OF YOUR TOP-DOG ON YOUR SERVER WILL YOU BE FASTER?.
IF NOT THEN, YOU WILL STILL FOREVER GET REKTED.

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-3-18 16:59:44

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author: 595459354 time: 2016-3-18 17:13:27

[email protected] replied at 2016-3-18 22:23
I get she is a good counter but only if the battle doesn't end in the 1st or 2nd round.
If she goes ...

it's an halo aka her presence is all that's needed

author: rythen time: 2016-3-18 17:18:29

Sylencer90 replied at 2016-3-18 22:59
Ugh another month, i expected her to release soon. What about the feature i sent you to ask them? ...

no anwser yet, pretty sure they will ignore it. but theres a new feature which let you inherit/return universal modify fragments, exclusive fragments and reincarnation stones from a partner (hopefully they add it for zanpakuto fortify too

)

author: [email protected] time: 2016-3-18 17:42:10

595459354 replied at 2016-3-18 17:13
it's an halo aka her presence is all that's needed

Yah that is what i as talking about when i mentioned 20%... i guess i made mistake not to say 25%.

Well, she is good thou.

(don't mind me am looking for reasons to discredit her since i don't have money to ever buy any partner

)

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-3-18 19:27:17

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author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-3-18 20:04:12

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

author: theunknown404 time: 2016-3-18 20:13:13

rythen replied at 2016-3-18 15:57
nope. they just released koga kuchiki, should be the next month ultimate charge partner.

What are they going to do on the 26th then?

author: rythen time: 2016-3-19 05:29:13

theunknown404 replied at 2016-3-19 02:13
What are they going to do on the 26th then?

oh yes, youre right. they might sell her next week.

author: asunayuki time: 2016-3-19 15:12:05

Im getting her for sure, she will fit in my harem just fine

author: Lelouch71 time: 2016-3-20 09:08:14

again a character hardly someone interested in

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-3-20 16:10:36

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author: Aristeaus time: 2016-3-20 16:54:14

She's tanky as f, so I wouldn't say it's only PvP.

That being said, I don't think Natsu understands the math behind a 25% reduction in speed ( if we get version 1 ). I previously took him to school on the -30% damage rate on Isane ( he quoted it to be like 100k damage, I proved it was over -700k ). I think he is vastly underestimating this again.

He is right that it is not going to make a ton of difference. Someone you outspeed by 250k isn't going to make up that deficit, however, 100k is very possible.

Look at it this way, it is a VG that basically says give your supporters +25% inate speed. I defy anyone to tell me that isn't PvP endgame worthy by itself.

author: bwg2469 time: 2016-3-20 16:57:37

Aristeaus replied at 2016-3-20 13:54
She's tanky as f, so I wouldn't say it's only PvP.

That being said, I don't think Natsu understands ...

I love long words

author: NNatsu time: 2016-3-20 17:48:23

Edited by NNatsu at 2016-3-20 17:49

Aristeaus replied at 2016-3-20 16:54
She's tanky as f, so I wouldn't say it's only PvP.

That being said, I don't think Natsu understands ...

Well, until I get merged with Kosmos server, I can outspeed everyone above server 130 without problem even with that debuff on me, so for me even if everyone except me gets her and mods her from now on, it doesn't matter and she's a useless partner lol.Edit: You didn't take me to school, I said it was 150k or so before crit, with crit it was 600k not 700k.
Even with 600k less damage on everyone I would deal well over 3m damage to everyone on the other team, one shotting anyone still.
Fight me cunt.

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2016-3-20 17:55:11

bwg2469 replied at 2016-3-20 21:57
I love long words

long ass words are coolio
I'm right with ya Kensei buddy <3

author: adamkrem time: 2016-3-20 17:57:59

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2016-3-20 17:55
long ass words are coolio
I'm right with ya Kensei buddy

HEY IT'S NED FLANDERS

How you doing Ned?

author: bwg2469 time: 2016-3-20 18:05:09

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2016-3-20 14:55
long ass words are coolio
I'm right with ya Kensei buddy

Soon he will be worked on again after Senju

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2016-3-20 18:07:01

bwg2469 replied at 2016-3-20 23:05
Soon he will be worked on again after Senju

should be worked on to full potential as soon as i told you to use him

author: Aristeaus time: 2016-3-20 19:57:57

NNatsu replied at 2016-3-20 17:48
Well, until I get merged with Kosmos server, I can outspeed everyone above server 130 without probl ...

Lol, you are so cute.

author: adamkrem time: 2016-3-20 20:00:19

Aristeaus replied at 2016-3-20 19:57
Lol, you are so cute.

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author: NNatsu time: 2016-3-21 00:44:48

Aristeaus replied at 2016-3-20 19:57
Lol, you are so cute.

author: rythen time: 2016-3-21 05:08:19

Aristeaus replied at 2016-3-21 01:57
Lol, you are so cute.

author: criminal238 time: 2016-3-21 08:30:34

I thought this post was a joke, but man if we get the version one of her then she is gonna be a must get character. I could beat the number one in my server with her.

author: SeiryuSky time: 2016-3-21 09:10:07

NNatsu replied at 2016-3-21 00:44

#YES

#YES , YOU BROUGHT HIM TO HELL

#CUTNESS LVL OP

#DAT MEME THOUGH

#NATSU GIFFS FTW

#NO_GOOD_NATSU

author: rythen time: 2016-3-23 11:13:48

Edited by rythen at 2016-3-23 17:42

25.03.16 release

author: Lucky__Black time: 2016-3-23 11:16:41

rythen replied at 2016-3-23 11:13

Do you now know which version it will be?

author: rythen time: 2016-3-23 11:37:30

Edited by rythen at 2016-3-23 17:40

Lucky__Black replied at 2016-3-23 17:16
Do you now know which version it will be?

version 2 with some changes

author: rythen time: 2016-3-23 12:17:14

Edited by rythen at 2016-3-24 17:45

rythen replied at 2016-3-23 17:13
25.03.16 release

Class - Manic Blade

Formation - Vanguard

Strength - 5000 (Growth 4.9)

Agility - 2000 (Growth 3.5)

Wisdom - 5000 (Growth 4.8)

H P - 8000 (Growth 5.5)

Mods
1.Add 5% Avoid Injury Rate (Immune Rate)
2.Increase assaulter and supporter Kido-DEF by 100%
3.Every 25% HP lose, increase DEF by 20%
4.When HP lower then 50%, recover 20% of max HP
5.When attacked, 40% chance to disarm enemy for 1 round
6.Add 35% Defense
7.When attacked, 100% chance to reduce enemy ATK by 25% for 1 rounds

Talent: 20% Defense, 30% Stamina

Skill: Attack enemy assaulter and supports, growth rate 120%, recover own HP 20%, increase own DMG and Immune Rate by 30% for 2 rounds, recover own fury by 35 points.
Bond
1. 0.45-13.50% DMG Rate
2. 1-30% HP
3. 0.45-13.50% Phy/Strategy DEF
4. can't see on screenshot

author: Gurr time: 2016-3-23 12:34:03

got nerfed before she even got out

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-3-23 12:54:49

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author: Brahmastra time: 2016-3-23 13:14:39

gotta love how she went from OP pls nerf to shit pls buff

author: iz4n4minok4mi time: 2016-3-23 13:23:48

Heh and here I though she might be worth to get over ichibe with her good def combined with decent skill and mods.. Guess I will go for ichibe instead cause she is crap even the growth rates suck compared to him.

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-3-23 14:40:41

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author: Shaffney time: 2016-3-23 17:11:28

rythen replied at 2016-3-23 18:17
Class - Manic Blade

Formation - Vanguard

On which zanpakutou will she get fortified?
And bonds?

author: NNatsu time: 2016-3-23 17:15:09

Yeah, what are the bonds?

author: kannebankai time: 2016-3-23 17:18:57

Gold or red ?

author: Sylencer90 time: 2016-3-23 17:25:12

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author: criminal238 time: 2016-3-23 17:28:59

With her mods and skill plus good all around growth rates it looks like she could quite a good tank, especially when paired with Mayuri.

author: rythen time: 2016-3-23 17:30:40

NNatsu replied at 2016-3-23 23:15
Yeah, what are the bonds?

1. 0.45-13.50% DMG Rate
2. 1-30% HP
3. 0.45-13.50% Phy/Strategy DEF
4. can't see it

author: RiadDahoe time: 2016-3-23 18:06:20

Brahmastra replied at 2016-3-23 13:14
gotta love how she went from OP pls nerf to shit pls buff

now we just need to know the price...... nerfed , better not be more expensive than kirinji lolzz Would be amazing if they put it with shini agent 2k gold, and get the mods , with shini agent ...hahahhaha

author: Brahmastra time: 2016-3-23 18:14:50

RiadDahoe replied at 2016-3-24 00:06
now we just need to know the price...... nerfed , better not be more expensive than kirinji lolzz ...

Probably a 20k UC event.. unless shes in a special event

author: RiadDahoe time: 2016-3-23 18:25:39

Brahmastra replied at 2016-3-23 18:14
Probably a 20k UC event.. unless shes in a special event

yeah .... wish gogames, was not so predictable, i need a good VG , still using Gilga at level 134 ...ouch ....

author: Devvoke2 time: 2016-3-23 19:32:32

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author: theunknown404 time: 2016-3-23 19:37:55

kannebankai replied at 2016-3-23 17:18
Gold or red ?

It would be stupid for them to release anymore gold partners that you have to pay for, given that tier 12 hogus are exclusive to red. Even the SS's are red now.

author: faracorn time: 2016-3-23 20:25:50

i like it

author: Evild4nte time: 2016-3-23 20:56:46

I want her. Her 2nd mod looks quite great and i wanna kick out my Noza anyways.

author: SeiryuSky time: 2016-3-24 07:14:38

rythen replied at 2016-3-23 11:13
25.03.16 release

#USELESS PIECE OF SHIT

#FUCKING SHIT VERSION 2

#FUCK THEM

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