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author: GiriPmn time: 2016-8-9 11:34:50 Title: Shuhei Hisagi vs White Ichigo

Who should i invest on? I have both char, but not sure which of them are best to build up.

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-8-9 11:46:52

shuhei is good in pve and also pvp with his skill

author: tytheboy time: 2016-8-9 11:55:24

it all depends... among thos two i prefer w.ichi (just opinion tho)
on the pros you get from w. ichigo is quite nice and balansed stats and growthrates of stats. his bug growthrate on skill witch by the way works wonders both in pve and pvp both because ot hte growthrate and teager area and the buff/debuff of dmg and dmg rate he gives and his talent gives a decent comborate too (he will increase that % trough evo)
since he gives himself a furyboost after skill if you give him yout absolutly all it is possible to generate the remaining fury until a new skill is ready and he can effectivly skill each turn if absolutly needed (that might mean no vg tho. but if you win in speed and he is t1 he would probably be the best killer out there (excluding the stacked senju, hiki and oetsu some high vip's have)

i dont know all that much about suhei tho but i think he is a bit faster than w.ichi and if you happen to get a hold of a t12 hogy you cha must be red quality to wear it witch suhei is and w.ichi isnt)
as far as the sill goes i think suhei is a bit more to the pvp as his skill has less growthrate and more "effects" to it also he heals up at the time of skill

pve w.ichi for shure

pvp more of a guess but i like to be agressive so in my mind w.ichi with a small advantage (just barely tho)

author: Glowing time: 2016-8-9 12:37:27

I just compared them on the wiki (http://bleach-online-user.wikia.com/wiki/Shuhei_Hisagi and http://bleach-online-user.wikia.com/wiki/White_Ichigo)

Shuhei seems to have more dmg than White Ichigo (on their own) while White Ichigo has crazy good combo rate+dmg buff. Shuhei will skill very turn and White Ichigo can skill every turn if you have two fury givers.

Shuhei has much better growth rate. Shuhei has a much better ex-skill, and more dmg/crit rate from evo. Shuhei has easier(cheaper) to get partners for bond. Shuhei can use t12 hogus.

White Ichigo has more combo rate and potentially more dmg in a 2-3-0 formation.

Final thoughts; Shuhei beats White Ichigo in PVP because he simply has more dmg and therefore one-shots easier, but even if he doesn't he gets 100 fury back to skill again while W.Ichi gets 35.

In PVE your best choice is to just run both of them (which I assume you do), I've been trying to figure out which one beats the other in PVE but I can't. W.Ichi is really good because of the dmg buff and combo rate but Shuhei is just stronger, meaning he deals more dmg. So what I think you should do is, put your exclusive fragments on Shuhei to get the Ex-skill, and evo White Ichigo first for the exra combo rate. I would also mod Shuhei first, but only to get the dmg buffs then I would get them on W.Ichi as well.

uugh so yea, I hope that makes sense.

author: Suzuken time: 2016-8-9 12:45:08

Glowing replied at 2016-8-9 20:37
I just compared them on the wiki (http://bleach-online-user.wikia.com/wiki/Shuhei_Hisagi and http:// ...

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This
Abd to add to it, besides berserk and uno kenpachi, don't ever get any gold Partner. From now on the treasures and the other stuff will most likely can be equipped on red partners.
Therefore white ichigo is already a gutter partner.

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-8-9 18:28:20

Suzuken replied at 2016-8-9 12:45
^

This

I haven't even used Retsu Kenpachi in a few months. She can't use my supporter gear. The only gold partner I use now is Bankai Rukia in PVP to deal with a TSI in CSB. I also haven't used Berserk Renji in a few weeks since he can't use my assaulter gear anymore unless I do a lot of gear shifting.

How many mods does Hisagi need to be better than White Ichigo? Hisagi is one of the few reds I don't have.

author: Devvoke2 time: 2016-8-9 18:31:02

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author: Suzuken time: 2016-8-9 19:02:57

Devvoke2 replied at 2016-8-10 02:31
unless they make it so we can make gold partners red which im sure they will for all so that peeps ...

Too risky to count on a mere assumption.
Even with partner upgrade hisage wouldn't be inferior to white imo. Besides his combo rate ofc.

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-8-9 19:05:56

Suzuken replied at 2016-8-9 19:02
Too risky to count on a mere assumption.
Even with partner upgrade hisage wouldn't be inferior to ...

ehh you never know ive heard from rythen they could have new skills so it may be better

author: Suzuken time: 2016-8-9 19:18:31

mayuri1177 replied at 2016-8-10 02:28
I haven't even used Retsu Kenpachi in a few months. She can't use my supporter gear. The only go ...

I would say til his forth mod. 6th mod is for maximum dmg utility.
He has 20% talent dmg rate, 30% from mods (decrease avoid injury also counts as dmg rate) and 12% from evo
21% crit chance from evo as well.
With that you have
62% extra dmg rate and 111% crit chance..
With the reduce fury counter mod u can go against hikis and such with a decently defensive team. Aka kukaku/Isane.
His dmg is huge. Very huge since it counts like this (Attack-def)*skill growth rate*(Dmg rate% - avoid injury%)
Your dmg eate can end up multiplying your dmg to insane degrees. And he attacks every turn.
Only problem is getting him to survive to do that dmg. And he doesn't have ignore inv which is a little downside.
Butso far I can assure you that hisage is better than white with his forth mod.

author: Suzuken time: 2016-8-9 19:20:13

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-8-10 03:05
ehh you never know ive heard from rythen they could have new skills so it may be better

Like I said, never count on the future. You will get fucked because of that.

But as of right now, hisage wins this round.

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-8-9 19:21:22

Suzuken replied at 2016-8-9 19:20
Like I said, never count on the future. You will get fucked because of that.

But as of right now, ... im very gay i like dicks

yeah I know that. that's why I voted for hisagi
just saying its a possibility

author: Suzuken time: 2016-8-9 19:32:33

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-8-10 03:21
yeah I know that. that's why I voted for hisagi
just saying its a possibility

It is
Some possibility that we will prob get in 2017-2018

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-8-9 19:58:12

Suzuken replied at 2016-8-9 19:32
It is
Some possibility that we will prob get in 2017-2018

lol one day for sure tho

author: Devvoke2 time: 2016-8-9 21:52:16

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author: moongoatie time: 2016-8-10 07:13:51

For a casual player I think White Ichigo>Hisagi. Hisagi is overall better than White, but he needs much more investment to achieve that, such as t12 hogus and bonds/mods. It also depends if you run a 2-2-1 or a 1-3-1 formation. If you wanna consider that assaulter as end game material pick Hisagi, if not White Ichigo could offer more with the 55% more growth rate on skill from the get go

author: gogeta654321 time: 2016-8-13 08:09:04

Glowing replied at 2016-8-9 22:37
I just compared them on the wiki (http://bleach-online-user.wikia.com/wiki/Shuhei_Hisagi and http:// ...

Shuhei got less crit rate in evo btw... and w.ichigo gives attack buff not damage buff, he decreases enemy's damage rate and increases attack.and hisagi can easily one shot everyone? lol wtf? if they have equal attack i am pretty sure w.ichigo will do more damage easily since his growth rate is more better for being t1 and one shotting everyone plus he gives attack and combo to the other partnerwhich i think is something near 37% , better than isshin's skill IMO. i dont know but i have to say white ichigo is better than shuhei.

author: erazor123 time: 2016-8-13 08:37:50

White has 15% strength, 8% attack and 15% damage rate passively
Hisagi has 18% strength, 20% attack and 40% damage rate passively. And bigger growth rates

If you can stack Hisagi he's better

author: Glowing time: 2016-8-13 10:32:40

Edited by Glowing at 2016-8-13 16:36

gogeta654321 replied at 2016-8-13 14:09
Shuhei got less crit rate in evo btw... and w.ichigo gives attack buff not damage buff, he decreas ...

The crit rate from evo is a difference of 1.35%, so nothing.

When I said damage buff I meant that he gives a buff that increases the damage you will deal, I didn't think about the possible confusion when I wrote that and I should have said attack buff.

Yes Shuhei is better than W.Ichigo at one-shoting.

Shuhei: 4800 STR. 5.1 STR Growth. 37960 ATK(Evo). 12.5%DMG rate(evo). Passive/Talent 18% STR, 20% DMG rate. Mods 8% Attack and DMG rate, 12% Attack and DMG rate. Skill 125%.

White Ichigo: 2100 STR. 4.5 STR Growth. 22360 ATK(Evo). 14.6%DMG rate(evo). Passive/Talent 15% STR, 18%Agi (helps to attack first). Mods 8% Attack, 15% DMG rate. Skill 180%.

Easiest would be to have both partners and put the same gear on them but looking at all this I think Shuhei wins.
Side-note, I recommended that he got the ex-skill for Shuhei and focused on PVE so that would be 300% dmg from Shuhei(+ 10%attack and dmg buff). W.Ichigos ex-skill has 220% and no attack/dmg buff. (This has nothing to do with one-shoting, this is for pve)

author: Brahmastra time: 2016-8-13 11:03:56

I'd go for Wichigo just because his combo rate is way higher which is great for both PVE and PVP.
Apart from that he also has a damage booster (PVE/PVP) and a damage reducer (PVP).
His own fury increase makes sure he will skill every round in combination with Isshin or Kensei.

author: Suzuken time: 2016-8-13 11:16:02

Brahmastra replied at 2016-8-13 19:03
I'd go for Wichigo just because his combo rate is way higher which is great for both PVE and PVP.
Ap ...

if you're playing 2-2-1 then his combo would go to main. Rofl

author: Suzuken time: 2016-8-13 11:16:02

Brahmastra replied at 2016-8-13 19:03
I'd go for Wichigo just because his combo rate is way higher which is great for both PVE and PVP.
Ap ...

if you're playing 2-2-1 then his combo would go to main. Rofl

author: Shadow49999 time: 2016-8-13 11:30:32

Brahmastra replied at 2016-8-13 11:03
I'd go for Wichigo just because his combo rate is way higher which is great for both PVE and PVP.
Ap ...

author: angelucifer time: 2016-8-15 01:38:19

Id Go With HisaBOOB Without A Doubt If He Has Exclusive

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-11-8 16:50:43

shuhei wins as he can equip tier 12 hogus, other than that, they are both fantastic

author: Chihiro135 time: 2017-1-5 06:38:48

Shadow49999 replied at 2016-8-10 02:21
yeah I know that. that's why I voted for hisagi
just saying its a possibility

how often does shuhei's skill deducting fury come through though? It just says "a chance", could only be a 5% chance

author: Shadow49999 time: 2017-1-5 12:36:38

Chihiro135 replied at 2017-1-5 06:38
how often does shuhei's skill deducting fury come through though? It just says "a chance", could o ...

I have no idea maybe you should ask our god
#Rythen your being summoned

author: xlonnz time: 2017-3-29 05:09:18

shuhei is better white ichigo cant even get near of shuhei damage rate mine isnt half complete lvl 10 11 str stones half bonds

author: Daitekusa time: 2017-3-29 05:54:41

and what's his bond ?

author: xlonnz time: 2017-3-29 06:44:09

Daitekusa replied at 2017-3-29 05:54
and what's his bond ?

zoo zabimaru gives him 12% att and sozuke aizen 12% to thats in total 24% att

author: Despair27 time: 2017-5-7 21:19:57

I'm no where near Xlonnz's level but my Shuhei has helped me tremendously ease through King of Hollow Souls 1v1 and Team battles with that 100 fury regen (Minus Aizen couldn't 1v1 him but could beat his team with him). His two mods increase attack and damage rate by 12% so that's a 24% increase in firepower alone plus couple it along with his decrease enemy Avoid Injury Rate. Plus he has one extra immunity that W.Ichigo does. All In all you can increase his power a lot easier with less work than working with a W. Ichigo at this point in the game.

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