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author: SkullWild time: 2016-12-22 15:05:45 Title: Katen vs RJ

Anyone have a battle report fight between katen vs RJ users?
I dont wanna see a 1 mil bp player vs a 5 mil bp player, i wanna see a fight between 2 beast who have those SSS zanp and im more curious if katen can handler with rj a bit. And well, will be great, if you can write a opinion about those zanp.

author: hairytoilet time: 2016-12-22 15:48:57

Hell no can katen stand a chance against RJ, hes way too op and his burn will most likely kill supports and assaulters alone

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-12-22 16:04:42

A Katen team can win, but they would need to be facing a slower RJ team that doesn't have a stacked defensive partner. They would need to 1-shot the RJ team before the RJ team gets a turn or have high enough defense and HP to survive the burn/mutilate. If the RJ team is faster, Katen can still win but the chance is very low.

author: Prince-Vegeta time: 2016-12-22 16:04:49

hairytoilet replied at 2016-12-22 15:48
Hell no can katen stand a chance against RJ, hes way too op and his burn will most likely kill suppo ...

he's killed me plenty of times my partners cant even attack cause the burn waaay to op bruh im 93 getting whooped in hma by lvl 68 with RJ :/

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-12-22 16:08:15

you can win, but it takes a lot more in your party than a RJ user... in PVE however, Katen wins hands down, and PVE is your best reward zone

author: mayuri1177 time: 2016-12-22 16:14:45

Here is a great example of how Katen "could" win. The only reason the Katen user lost is my Mayuri is so stacked. If I had any other partner in place of Mayuri, then I would of lost.

http://bleachjf.gametrees.com/fi ... ;t=1&lang=en_US

author: Miken97 time: 2016-12-22 16:39:43

Edited by Miken97 at 2016-12-22 22:46

RJ user who used to be equal (in terms of bp, well his bp was actually a little bit higher) to me stopped playing but I managed to find those 2 battle raports:
http://logineu.gogames.me/fightr ... d=58&t=1&lang=en_US
http://logineu.gogames.me/fightr ... d=58&t=1&lang=en_US
Katen is superior in regular PvE and RJ is better in void (since katen buff in void doesn't work).
About PvP, when RJ doesn't have kukaku or stacked vanguard they're pretty much equal (in that case faster wins), but try to find RJ user without one of those

That burn+mutilate wouldn't be that problematic ( at some my senju was able to survive 2 rounds and my noza 3 rounds, I think, if I killed all his assaulter in supporters in round 1, so in normal case it would enough to end fight ) if not that defense buff. In first report you have report in which senju got lucky +300% damage from reincarnation and in second when she was unlucky and didn't had critic but in most of fight she was taking half of kukaku's life. With his oetsu attacking, my oetsu wasn't able to even survive while my senju wasn't able to survive long enough to skill second time (plus either way she couldn't repeat such powerful attack withou katen buff). What I could hoped was that senju will kill this oetsu or kukaku (only with +300% damage) or that my oetsu will avoid attack from enemy's oetsu (because my oetsu has chance to ignore enemy's damage as reincarnation effect). Whenever I managed to kill his kukaku his oetsu was dying because my b.renji death mod (with RJ his oetsu never was able to kill my whole team) and whenever i managed to kill his oetsu, then my oetsu could attack and kill his kukaku with mutilate. When my oetsu avoided damage then he had to cast mutilate on kukaku to provide my victory. So yeah, to some point katen can compete with RJ but only on higher level ( on lower ones this burn might be too much to deal with) and you need to be faster than RJ user ( that isn't that hard, RJ has only 2% higher speed and most of RJ user I have seen don't focus on speed as much as Katen users). Also you have to either stack senju pretty hard or depend on reincarnation bonuses (what I used to do).That being said we're getting more and more defensive characters and that's really hard for Katen to keep up. Also we're getting faster characters than senju who aren't compatible with katen ( haschwalth and yoruichi don't do too much damage so they rather can't one-shot whole team). And RJ has luxury that it's great for stacking vanguard (what is katen's great downside).Afterall, I think that if you want to go PvP then RJ will be better but if you take care about your supporters speed and defense katen still may be almost as good as RJ and if RJ user isn't overpowering you just by his vip level you can still hope to win. Still, I would advise to buy katen only for people whose main focus is PvE and they're treating PvP only as bonus (especially since in PvP gap between RJ and katen is getting only bigger

author: chiko88soem time: 2016-12-23 03:53:58

Edited by chiko88soem at 2016-12-23 04:03

You can win with Katen vs RJ, u "just" need a better stacked kukaku and kill their Assulters and Support fast. Your kukaku needs to have more HP and must be able to out heal the RJ burn with that u can win. Even to have more HP is difficult with Katen, since Katen gives only +40%hp and RJ +60% hp. High attack with high block can help u to win aswell like in this old BR http://logineu.gogames.me/fightr ... d=58&t=1&lang=en_US but RJ is still way better in PVP.here's another example http://logineu.gogames.me/fightreport/?rid=658933145296212202&aid=58&t=1&lang=en_US (very old BR)

author: SkullWild time: 2016-12-23 07:39:54

Miken97 replied at 2016-12-22 16:39
RJ user who used to be equal (in terms of bp, well his bp was actually a little bit higher) to me st ...

Well i want focus on both, i need pvp for csb and gw and it seems katen is not very strong, i mean,, maybe they should add something new to katen, is too much 40k gold and against rj is nothing.
And even if katen have lucky and defeat rj, need much work on paartners.
Maybe Rj will be 40k or 50k gold.
And i have i want get more dmg for my senju, but i have no idea how can i get, hogyoku don't give much and exclusive is very expensive.

author: SkullWild time: 2016-12-23 07:44:21

chiko88soem replied at 2016-12-23 03:53
You can win with Katen vs RJ, u "just" need a better stacked kukaku and kill their Assulters and Sup ...

Hiki's Invincibility doesn't work against mutilate? and what's ignite?

author: SkullWild time: 2016-12-23 07:47:38

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-12-22 16:08
you can win, but it takes a lot more in your party than a RJ user... in PVE however, Katen wins han ...

Well yea, pve is good but idk gg made rj too stronger, at least they should add to katen smt like freeze,voi, chaos etc...to defeat a rj user i need speed and high dmg and its not easy

author: MrBerus time: 2016-12-23 07:55:16

Edited by MrBerus at 2016-12-23 07:57

SkullWild replied at 2016-12-23 07:44
Hiki's Invincibility doesn't work against mutilate? and what's ignite?

Invincibility doesnt block mutilate nor ignite. Combo attacks dont trigger the ignite/mutilate from what i've seen.
ignite is a damage over time like mutilate, but while mutilate removes %of total hp,ignite removes health based on the damage of the source that caused that burn. Mutilate will (likely)deal higher damage to your vang than your support, ignite will deal the same damage on both targets

author: SkullWild time: 2016-12-23 08:06:55

MrBerus replied at 2016-12-23 07:55
Invincibility doesnt block mutilate nor ignite. Combo attacks dont trigger the ignite/mutilate from ...

I really hate Rj, it's sad nobody, except Rj, have those 2.
There's no buffs which can counter attack mutilate and ignite?

author: chiko88soem time: 2016-12-23 08:15:24

SkullWild replied at 2016-12-23 08:06
I really hate Rj, it's sad nobody, except Rj, have those 2.
There's no buffs which can counter att ...

Nope even shields dont work on RJ. Only way is to outheal the burn and Multilate or have a Mod ignore Multilate (like new Van and chair Aizen) but u still suffer from the burn.

author: SkullWild time: 2016-12-23 08:17:26

chiko88soem replied at 2016-12-23 08:15
Nope even shields dont work on RJ. Only way is to outheal the burn and Multilate or have a Mod ign ...

Daamn. I have a feeling the next partners will be a pain for rj, maybe.

author: [email protected] time: 2016-12-23 08:34:25

a comparison of the effectiveness of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYiZBG32yFY

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-12-23 09:04:24

SkullWild replied at 2016-12-23 07:47
Well yea, pve is good but idk gg made rj too stronger, at least they should add to katen smt like ...

freeze, void, or other control won't help vs RJ, Chaos shouldn't help much, or a several round Chaos would probably be too OP

author: MylarHyrule time: 2016-12-23 09:05:16

SkullWild replied at 2016-12-23 08:06
I really hate Rj, it's sad nobody, except Rj, have those 2.
There's no buffs which can counter att ...

Human Sajin will be immune to mutilate, and ignite just isn't that big of a deal most of the time

author: Miken97 time: 2016-12-23 09:39:20

SkullWild replied at 2016-12-23 13:39
Well i want focus on both, i need pvp for csb and gw and it seems katen is not very strong, i mean ...

lol, saying that katen is noy strong is a bit of exaggeration, don't you think? Katen is for about 32k in witch's house and in comparison to other zanpaktous I wouldn't say it is too much, especially since it stomps every other zan in PvE. The only thing I dislike about katen is that it could give more love for vanguards

but that's still top-tier zanpaktou. Even if RJ is better in PvP I wouldn't say that katen is nothing against it and maybe chair aizen with his crazy damage will be able to decrease gap between them

. Btw every zanpaktou need much work on partners to keep up with others. That also applies to RJ. With shitty partners, RJ is shitty as well. About RJ price it is for about 50k gold in bargain sale I think. During one of anniversary feasts it was for 40k, and now for 40k top-up and 20k spend you can get both RJ and kukaku. Either way, I could guess that you care about both PvP and PvE, but the question is: about which more? If you care more about regular PvE take katen (she is also pretty good in PvP), if you focus more on PvP and void get RJ (he is also pretty good in PvE). You can also wait for new zanpaktou because RJ has like half of year and new zanpaktou will most probably be a perfect counter against RJ.

author: ohmyvenus time: 2016-12-23 09:41:06

^
RJ still good at pve can one shot ryoka wave 79-80

author: Ioanaandree time: 2016-12-23 11:14:08

SkullWild replied at 2016-12-23 07:47
Well yea, pve is good but idk gg made rj too stronger, at least they should add to katen smt like ...

I have Katen and yea she help me a lot in pve and pvp too because i have just a player who have rj and he's a monster so i dont have any chances against him.
But i have another player which have katen too and kukaku and he's strong.
http://logineu.gogames.me/fightr ... ;t=1&lang=en_US

author: ohmyvenus time: 2016-12-23 11:26:06

Ioanaandree replied at 2016-12-23 11:14
I have Katen and yea she help me a lot in pve and pvp too because i have just a player who have rj ...

it's plant GG with topup amount like that theres no way he can t1 3 partner

author: SkullWild time: 2016-12-23 12:59:49

ohmyvenus replied at 2016-12-23 11:26
it's plant GG with topup amount like that theres no way he can t1 3 partner

what do you mean?

author: SkullWild time: 2016-12-23 13:00:36

[email protected] replied at 2016-12-23 08:34
a comparison of the effectiveness of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYiZBG32yFY

Wow. Yhwach is amazing and Yoru...i have nothing to say

author: SkullWild time: 2016-12-23 13:01:37

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-12-23 09:04
freeze, void, or other control won't help vs RJ, Chaos shouldn't help much, or a several round Cha ...

So from where can I get chaos?

or freeze? i like them, not necessary for rj

author: ohmyvenus time: 2016-12-23 13:01:52

SkullWild replied at 2016-12-23 12:59
what do you mean?

gogames char

author: SkullWild time: 2016-12-23 13:02:49

MylarHyrule replied at 2016-12-23 09:05
Human Sajin will be immune to mutilate, and ignite just isn't that big of a deal most of the time

But with mutilate is something, and well, i don't know if he's better than Kukaku, but kukaku can't mutilate? or noza? because i m sure i saw a br and noza was immune or maybe was kukaku

author: SkullWild time: 2016-12-23 13:07:47

Miken97 replied at 2016-12-23 09:39
lol, saying that katen is noy strong is a bit of exaggeration, don't you think? Katen is for about ...

Well yea , you're right, katen is good but not like RJ.
And yea with aizen katen will be more usefull but it takes ages to get him :| and idk if i can get him with gold...and i want focus more in pve but i want a good place on arena too...and gw is pretty good as well....
I don't want wait for another zanp, i was just curious about those 2 zanp...

author: SkullWild time: 2016-12-23 13:08:44

Ioanaandree replied at 2016-12-23 11:14
I have Katen and yea she help me a lot in pve and pvp too because i have just a player who have rj ...

He's good, but idk if he can defeat a rj user.

author: SkullWild time: 2016-12-23 13:11:29

ohmyvenus replied at 2016-12-23 13:01
gogames char

It's possible?

author: Ioanaandree time: 2016-12-23 13:12:19

ohmyvenus replied at 2016-12-23 11:26
it's plant GG with topup amount like that theres no way he can t1 3 partner

Really? Come on. Well he's not very active.

author: ohmyvenus time: 2016-12-23 13:27:33

Ioanaandree replied at 2016-12-23 13:12
Really? Come on. Well he's not very active.

just logic u think easy make t1? with that current lvl n evo + pysic stone

author: Ioanaandree time: 2016-12-24 07:59:27

ohmyvenus replied at 2016-12-23 13:27
just logic u think easy make t1? with that current lvl n evo + pysic stone

But it's unfair!:|

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