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author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-5 21:02:22 Title: is mugetsu viable?

Is mugetsu viable at all anymore?

author: theunknown404 time: 2017-2-5 21:06:30

Let's say there are better options at cheaper prices.

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-5 21:10:17

theunknown404 replied at 2017-2-5 21:06
Let's say there are better options at cheaper prices.

Well, what I was wondering is if I topped up during ultra hero, and the past few times ultra hero came with reio furnace. So I was gonna top up 70k gold and get hikifune, b renji, oetsu, and with the rest id have enough for mugetsu. And if reio furnace is there i could get a 50% rebate, so id have 140k gold and i could go get ryujin, if i find an event with it, kukaku, if i get an event with her, and preferably i want to get hasch. Then the rest of the gold I could either get a different partner or spend gold on t1/stones/ultimate equips/etc. Does this sound like a decent idea?

author: MasterOfBonkai time: 2017-2-5 21:40:38

MiyamotoHaizaki replied at 2017-2-5 21:10
Well, what I was wondering is if I topped up during ultra hero, and the past few times ultra hero ...

Wow, how rich are you bro

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-5 21:42:40

MasterOfBonkai replied at 2017-2-5 21:40
Wow, how rich are you bro

The world may never know never know;)

author: theunknown404 time: 2017-2-5 21:47:21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8NniKYiy2I

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-5 21:49:08

theunknown404 replied at 2017-2-5 21:47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8NniKYiy2I

Aha, is Mugetsu good with that setup?

author: MasterOfBonkai time: 2017-2-5 21:49:58

MiyamotoHaizaki replied at 2017-2-5 21:42
The world may never know never know;)

Not fair

, i wish I could do that

author: MasterOfBonkai time: 2017-2-5 21:50:33

MiyamotoHaizaki replied at 2017-2-5 21:49
Aha, is Mugetsu good with that setup?

Yup...he is OP with any setup...lol

author: theunknown404 time: 2017-2-5 21:51:42

MiyamotoHaizaki replied at 2017-2-5 21:10
Well, what I was wondering is if I topped up during ultra hero, and the past few times ultra hero ...

Sounds alright. If you really want Mugetsu, you should get him.

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-5 21:53:51

theunknown404 replied at 2017-2-5 21:51
Sounds alright. If you really want Mugetsu, you should get him.

Well, I need a decent assaulter, but I also want to get some good equips for later on and some t1 stones, if someone better is there I'm all for it, was thinking of buying yhwach, but I could use Mugetsu instead since I get him free pretty much.

author: rythen time: 2017-2-5 22:03:46

MiyamotoHaizaki replied at 2017-2-6 03:53
Well, I need a decent assaulter, but I also want to get some good equips for later on and some t1 ...

If you want a good assaulter, I suggest Koga, he's probably the best after yhwach, has better stats then mugetsu and cost less points

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-5 22:05:18

rythen replied at 2017-2-5 22:03
If you want a good assaulter, I suggest Koga, he's probably the best after yhwach, has better stat ...

Is he in ultra hero?

author: rythen time: 2017-2-5 22:07:05

MiyamotoHaizaki replied at 2017-2-6 04:05
Is he in ultra hero?

yes, just updated the page
http://bleach-online-user.wikia.com/wiki/Ultra_Hero

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-5 22:11:16

rythen replied at 2017-2-5 22:07
yes, just updated the page
http://bleach-online-user.wikia.com/wiki/Ultra_Hero

If I get koga (15k) oetsu (15k) (Hikifune) (15k) and brenji (12k) who else should I get? I know hikifune is good and all, but I'm probably gonna use oetsu instead. So if need be I could not get hikifune and get someone else instead.

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-5 23:19:50

rythen replied at 2017-2-5 22:07
yes, just updated the page
http://bleach-online-user.wikia.com/wiki/Ultra_Hero

Wait, is renting yhwach a good idea? That way I still have enough gold to get some other decent stuff and I can still permanently buy him later on?

author: tytheboy time: 2017-2-5 23:39:46

MiyamotoHaizaki replied at 2017-2-5 22:11
If I get koga (15k) oetsu (15k) (Hikifune) (15k) and brenji (12k) who else should I get? I know hi ...

senjumaru maybe (senju and oetsu combinations can often be a good choice for 221 teams)

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-5 23:46:38

tytheboy replied at 2017-2-5 23:39
senjumaru maybe (senju and oetsu combinations can often be a good choice for 221 teams)

Should I use oetsu and senju until I can get hasch? Because I really wanna get hasch, since his skill looks great. And is renting yhwach a good idea?

author: Miken97 time: 2017-2-6 01:45:54

MiyamotoHaizaki replied at 2017-2-6 05:46
Should I use oetsu and senju until I can get hasch? Because I really wanna get hasch, since his sk ...

If you are going to replace one of them with haschwalth either way IMO it would be better to get senju+hiki since they will still be useful in PvE after you get haschwalth. If you are going for senju+oetsu, oetsu may end up never being used again. Yhwach is OP partner for sure but better just farm for aizen in csb and don't bother with yhwach (getting him wouldn't be bad tho)

author: Xallog time: 2017-2-6 02:56:30

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author: alchimiste time: 2017-2-6 07:31:07

yea koga is better than mugetsu and me im playing hiki+senju its really usefull in pve and pvp too

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 08:15:59

alchimiste replied at 2017-2-6 07:31
yea koga is better than mugetsu and me im playing hiki+senju its really usefull in pve and pvp too
...

Is oetsu/senju any good?

author: alchimiste time: 2017-2-6 08:55:34

MiyamotoHaizaki replied at 2017-2-6 08:15
Is oetsu/senju any good?

yep u just need make senju faster and oetsu damage dealer and oetsu add 10% speed to all with mod 6 they have good attributes but for pve oetsu isnt so good

author: ohmyvenus time: 2017-2-6 08:58:15

why u buy red partner when there's already orange one, soon orange hogu out...

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 08:59:40

alchimiste replied at 2017-2-6 08:55
yep u just need make senju faster and oetsu damage dealer and oetsu add 10% speed to all with mod 6 ...

was gonna use c.orihime/brenji and some other assaulter/supporter for pve

author: alchimiste time: 2017-2-6 09:02:30

MiyamotoHaizaki replied at 2017-2-6 08:59
was gonna use c.orihime/brenji and some other assaulter/supporter for pve

yep i use brenji too for pvp pve

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 09:27:56

alchimiste replied at 2017-2-6 09:02
yep i use brenji too for pvp pve

The team I want to use is Sexy Kukaku - Arrancar MC, Yhwach - Hasch, Oetsu And ryujin in the back. Is ichibei good until I can get kukaku?

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-2-6 11:14:38

MiyamotoHaizaki replied at 2017-2-5 21:10
Well, what I was wondering is if I topped up during ultra hero, and the past few times ultra hero ...

Mugetsu is a great partner... kind of overpriced at this point, but if you get him from Ultra Hero, that's the cheapest you can get him, and you won't regret the purchase... of course Yhwach is better, but Mugetsu will not dissapoint you for a second

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-2-6 11:16:41

rythen replied at 2017-2-5 22:03
If you want a good assaulter, I suggest Koga, he's probably the best after yhwach, has better stat ...

koga... forgot about him... great partner, can easily skill every round, his -100% hit rate halo is nice, great death mod... yeah, Koga would probably be a better choice than Mug in most cases...

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 11:17:01

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-2-6 11:14
Mugetsu is a great partner... kind of overpriced at this point, but if you get him from Ultra Her ...

With a 70k top up who do you think I should get? I really want oetsu as well. If need be I could probably do a 80k top up.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-2-6 11:18:54

MiyamotoHaizaki replied at 2017-2-5 23:46
Should I use oetsu and senju until I can get hasch? Because I really wanna get hasch, since his sk ...

if you are getting Hasch, then your whole team is fucked...

Hasch, Rajin Yourichi, Yhwach, B Renji...

If you want Hasch, then get Yhwach, then Rajin would be icing on the cake... stack hard on Yhwach, burn the world

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 11:21:48

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-2-6 11:18
if you are getting Hasch, then your whole team is fucked...

Hasch, Rajin Yourichi, Yhwach, B Renj ...

Was thinking of getting rajin, but only if I can afford her after getting ryujin and kukaku and hasch. I was gonna get yhwach in the rent event and just get him for a few weeks at a time.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-2-6 11:29:04

MiyamotoHaizaki replied at 2017-2-6 11:21
Was thinking of getting rajin, but only if I can afford her after getting ryujin and kukaku and ha ...

he's dirt cheap from limited lease, so is Rajin...

from Ultra Hero, B Renji, Sogyo (unless you are getting Katen from somewhere else) Retsu Kenpachi, Cute Orihime... PVE will be your bread and butter spend extra points there for other zans, you will want at least 15 maxed ones for a good title

for pvp you should get Yhwach, Rajin Yourichi, and Hasch... B Renji will be a good bleed over from PVE to fill in your team... A raw Yhwach with that level of heat behind him WILL kill anyone in your server in PVP unless you have someone else bringing some REAL heat at you, which if you are topping up early you will make most of them jump ship to another server. Since you are bringing that kind of heat, you shouldn't need a vang... Take your Yhwach, put upgraded gear on him, staggar it... work to get his damage rate past 300%, and his immune rate up to 100%... maybe adding a Mayuri to the mix to replace B Renji for pvp would be nice... as a powerhouse VIP player like you sound like you will be, you should have no trouble in keeping that many partners up to level... Cute Orihime needs almost no work, and most of your work on your pvp team should bleed over to your pve team... just remember, PVE wins at the end of the day

author: tytheboy time: 2017-2-6 11:30:16

MiyamotoHaizaki replied at 2017-2-5 23:46
Should I use oetsu and senju until I can get hasch? Because I really wanna get hasch, since his sk ...

well its no question that hash is a better supp (thinking of speed witch is major for supp)
in adition those mods are absolutely priceless (its almost so you dont ned his skill with all the shit his mods can do (then you add his skill on top of that as well)
and renting yhwach i honestly dont know, you get him in your own lvl and can pay im down over time, so that is a good thing to do but i would say you can find cheaper ways to get him

the duo i wrote about over here is definetly the best one in the game at the moment.

it is a relly expensive one and need you to mod them atleast 3stars + (tho more than that is always better

if you have the coin (and are willing to do it) i say go for it

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 11:40:43

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-2-6 11:29
he's dirt cheap from limited lease, so is Rajin...

from Ultra Hero, B Renji, Sogyo (unless you ar ...

Ryujin is in rent?

author: Xallog time: 2017-2-6 11:45:19

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author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-2-6 12:00:12

MiyamotoHaizaki replied at 2017-2-6 11:40
Ryujin is in rent?

no he is not... but with some patience, you can easily get him free when you spend a large chunk of gold... however without a vanguard, or a stacked Mayuri, Katen will probably be the better choice with her insane spike in raw damage output

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 12:13:25

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-2-6 12:00
no he is not... but with some patience, you can easily get him free when you spend a large chunk ...

I meant the yoruichi, and katen instead of Ryujin jakka?

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 12:15:07

tytheboy replied at 2017-2-6 11:30
well its no question that hash is a better supp (thinking of speed witch is major for supp)
in adi ...

You think hasch is worth the buy? And I know yhwach is cheaper but I'm trying to limit my up front spending so I have more gold to spend on t1 and ultimate equips

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-2-6 12:34:00

MiyamotoHaizaki replied at 2017-2-6 12:13
I meant the yoruichi, and katen instead of Ryujin jakka?

rajin yourichi is for sure there, no zanpactos yet tho

if you aren't going to have a hard stacked vang, then Ryujin is not your best choice

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 12:39:35

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-2-6 12:34
rajin yourichi is for sure there, no zanpactos yet tho

if you aren't going to have a hard stacked ...

How cheap is katen?

author: chiko88soem time: 2017-2-6 12:47:34

MiyamotoHaizaki replied at 2017-2-6 18:39
How cheap is katen?

dont go for Katen better save for RJ, or new zanpa
i made the same mistake and ended up buying RJ too

author: tytheboy time: 2017-2-6 12:47:43

MiyamotoHaizaki replied at 2017-2-6 12:15
You think hasch is worth the buy? And I know yhwach is cheaper but I'm trying to limit my up front ...

well that is a smart thing to do ;-)
even the best parthers cant do anything id they have bad stuff
(hogu and hogyoku is amog the hardest to make relly good, so i advis you go for that and furystones (assuming you hade good enough gear that is)
then you should go for lets say mugetsu (and a 221 team cause of mugetsus combo to sup abillity that comes with his skill and then you woudnt have to use senju but rather oetsu and hiki/shinso. now im saying shinso cause a furygainer with naturally high combo from evo and talent +35% comborate will combo atleast half the time and that is relly good)
end resould mugetsu, oetsu, hiki/shinso, main and vg this team should have a balanced zanpakuto (similar kind to muramasa/zangetsu (tho tensa,katen or ryuujin is preferable)
if you manage to get shinso from hero gallery and mugetsu+ oetsu that might be the cheapest way in terms of gold (you can use cupoons in honorshop and preferably during visored revenge

but hikis skill is better for pvp

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 12:56:03

chiko88soem replied at 2017-2-6 12:47
dont go for Katen better save for RJ, or new zanpa
i made the same mistake and ended up buying RJ ...

Ill have enough for Ryujin. Was gonna spend 20k to get yoru and yhwach (from lease) for 12 weeks. Then I wanted to get uh.. Hasch for however much he is, Ryujin, and kukaku. I would have about 140k - 160k gold before doing all this, plus id have whatever partners I get from ultra hero when I top up.

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 12:57:25

tytheboy replied at 2017-2-6 12:47
well that is a smart thing to do ;-)
even the best parthers cant do anything id they have bad stu ...

I plan on getting yhwach and yoruichi and hasch and kukaku. Plus whatever I get from ultra hero, and Ryujin jakka hopefully. Will probs get muramasa from ultra hero just to have a decent supporter zanpakuto till I get jakka, if I can't get him when I top up

author: dillon95 time: 2017-2-6 12:59:02

is kukuaku a good vanguard?

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 13:02:39

dillon95 replied at 2017-2-6 12:59
is kukuaku a good vanguard?

I'd say she's the best

author: dillon95 time: 2017-2-6 13:04:55

i saw her skills seems pretty decent with the heals + her passive is good along she has good str an wisdom

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 13:07:52

dillon95 replied at 2017-2-6 13:04
i saw her skills seems pretty decent with the heals + her passive is good along she has good str an ...

Who do you have atm?

author: dillon95 time: 2017-2-6 13:09:13

Edited by dillon95 at 2017-2-6 13:10

i got TSI since when i did my top up he was almost free an for my zan i got hyiron an i also got sejuruma + sexy yorci an restus kenpachi .

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 13:10:48

dillon95 replied at 2017-2-6 13:09
i got TSI since when i did my top up he was almost free an for my zan i got hyiron an i also got sej ...

Tsi is pretty good. If I were you I'd focus on getting other partners or a really good zanpakuto

author: dillon95 time: 2017-2-6 13:12:33

i almost got my TSI at T1 an someone told me senjumaur was a good support an i like hyorin cause it helps my vanguard an gives speed to my support without an neg effects on my team

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 13:15:32

dillon95 replied at 2017-2-6 13:12
i almost got my TSI at T1 an someone told me senjumaur was a good support an i like hyorin cause it ...

Tensa would help more with tsi, its not the best but its better Then hyron

author: dillon95 time: 2017-2-6 13:16:41

im still new to bleach i just start playing 4 days ago an been asking alot of questions in forums to see what to do now illl have about 14k gold after these events i might finish my t1 or see how far the 14k gold can get me in the next set of events

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 13:19:07

dillon95 replied at 2017-2-6 13:16
im still new to bleach i just start playing 4 days ago an been asking alot of questions in forums to ...

T1 is great and all, but tensa will help you out a good bit. Idk how much it is. But if you can get it. Its worth it, for your setup.

author: dillon95 time: 2017-2-6 13:20:58

yea tensa does look good u know how much gold it cost?

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 13:22:16

dillon95 replied at 2017-2-6 13:20
yea tensa does look good u know how much gold it cost?

Wow, not sure if you'll be able to afford him. Says hes around 30k might be lower in some events.

author: dillon95 time: 2017-2-6 13:23:25

dam 30k gold o.o ill have to save up for a couple of months lol just did about 1.3k top up not topping up anymore anytime soon

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 13:24:55

dillon95 replied at 2017-2-6 13:23
dam 30k gold o.o ill have to save up for a couple of months lol just did about 1.3k top up not toppi ...

I'm gonna do a 2k$ top up during a ultra hero, reios furnace event.

author: dillon95 time: 2017-2-6 13:26:08

i did mine in ultra hero an reios furance thats why in a couple days ill have 14k gold coming to me lol also 1k top up cost me like 1,4k

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 13:28:40

dillon95 replied at 2017-2-6 13:26
i did mine in ultra hero an reios furance thats why in a couple days ill have 14k gold coming to me ...

If only I could do a 2500$ top up and get the 100% rebate

author: dillon95 time: 2017-2-6 13:29:28

yeah that would be very useful for you but if you are willing to top up 2 grand extra 500 makes it like u top up 5 grand

author: Xallog time: 2017-2-6 13:29:40

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author: dillon95 time: 2017-2-6 13:30:07

is Yhwach good?

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 13:34:04

dillon95 replied at 2017-2-6 13:30
is Yhwach good?

Yeah, I'm going after him.

author: dillon95 time: 2017-2-6 13:35:09

he cost 40k gold right? also how does limited lease work if i rent someone for 7 days an when the event runs out can i renew my lease on them?

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 13:37:27

dillon95 replied at 2017-2-6 13:35
he cost 40k gold right? also how does limited lease work if i rent someone for 7 days an when the ev ...

Once its over it stays in your character inventory and you spend more gold to lease them when you want, and if the amount of gold you spent reaches the amount you need to oerm buy it, then you no longer have to rent.

author: dillon95 time: 2017-2-6 13:38:51

good event

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 13:43:29

dillon95 replied at 2017-2-6 13:38
good event

Definitely one of the better ones out

author: dillon95 time: 2017-2-6 13:44:23

i mean i could get good parents an just have them there when i really need them

author: Shiki_fujin time: 2017-2-6 13:45:03

mugetsu or no mugetsu? the game is long. mugetsu suck and stop

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 13:49:26

dillon95 replied at 2017-2-6 13:44
i mean i could get good parents an just have them there when i really need them

How does furnace work? Do you get the extra gold when event ends?

author: dillon95 time: 2017-2-6 13:50:03

yes when the event is over u get the extra gold i hope lol

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 13:55:35

dillon95 replied at 2017-2-6 13:50
yes when the event is over u get the extra gold i hope lol

Yeah its at end of event.

author: ohmyvenus time: 2017-2-6 14:16:51

dont buy red partner, just go to end game partner orange ass will out soon except aizen

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-2-6 14:37:21

MiyamotoHaizaki replied at 2017-2-6 12:39
How cheap is katen?

you can probably get him as a spend reward for between 30k and 40k gold.

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 14:40:39

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-2-6 14:37
you can probably get him as a spend reward for between 30k and 40k gold.

Hows this sound, the raijin yoruichi, hasch - arrancar mc, yhwach - kukaku - Ryujin jakka. Plus have whatever I get from ultra hero as extras.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-2-6 14:41:31

chiko88soem replied at 2017-2-6 12:47
dont go for Katen better save for RJ, or new zanpa
i made the same mistake and ended up buying RJ ...

for PVE, Katen destroys RJ, and if you don't have a stocky vang, again, RJ isn't a great zan... I mean, yes, he is still amazing vs most other zans, but with a party that runs either a 0-2-3 or a 0-3-2, you aren't going to bank on fights that last over a round or two, thus, RJ isn't going to be the best choice... and being that you can easily get MUCH better rewards from VOID, ES, and Ryoka than you can from everywhere else in the game, Katen is better for these events, giving her the edge in everything except longer PVP fights... again, with no tanky vang, or a stacked Mayuri, long PVP fights just aren't going to be where you excel, even with a zan like RJ, then again, I could be wrong, but I truly don't think I am here...

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-2-6 14:50:50

MiyamotoHaizaki replied at 2017-2-6 14:40
Hows this sound, the raijin yoruichi, hasch - arrancar mc, yhwach - kukaku - Ryujin jakka. Plus ha ...

that's a fantastic party...
Kukaku will help boost kido def and help tank while RJ eats your foes
Yhwach, Rajin, Hasch will be a terrible trio (in a good way)

only fault I'm seeing... Your PVE looks a little weak...
from Ultra Hero, I'd get all the zans (for that title), B Renji (pull Kukaku for him in PVE), Retsu Kenpachi (again for PVE)... you may want to also look into getting a Shinso Gin to make Yhwach skill every round for PVE and help your Retsu skill more often too... I'm just not sure if that% damage rate from mods of PVP supports are worth more damage than a more solid pve partner (a fury builder like Shinso Gin, or a hard hitter like Retsu, or even a damage booster like Hikifune, although Hiki will possibly overwrite Yhwach's skill... also make sure not to use the 9th skill, as it will hurt Yhwach bad)

just a few thought... but for your question, that PVP team looks great for sure

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 14:52:48

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-2-6 14:50
that's a fantastic party...
Kukaku will help boost kido def and help tank while RJ eats your fo ...

Was definitely gonna go after brenji, I know at least that much. Haha. Where is the best place to grab shinso?

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-2-6 16:39:31

MiyamotoHaizaki replied at 2017-2-6 14:52
Was definitely gonna go after brenji, I know at least that much. Haha. Where is the best place to ...

man... Shinso doesn't really have any great place to get him... I got him in limited lease and I fully understand I overpaid for him, but I have no regrets on the issue either

author: Shadow49999 time: 2017-2-6 19:46:07

theunknown404 replied at 2017-2-5 21:06
Let's say there are better options at cheaper prices.

lol
just wait for
#UBP MUGETSU

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 19:51:17

Shadow49999 replied at 2017-2-6 19:46
lol
just wait for
#UBP MUGETSU

That's what ill probably end up doing. I just want Mugetsu to have him.

author: Shadow49999 time: 2017-2-6 21:58:36

MiyamotoHaizaki replied at 2017-2-6 19:51
That's what ill probably end up doing. I just want Mugetsu to have him.

I think mugetsus badass I would get him just to have him too

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-6 22:00:37

Shadow49999 replied at 2017-2-6 21:58
I think mugetsus badass I would get him just to have him too

hes a bad azz o.o b renji too

author: MasterOfBonkai time: 2017-2-6 22:50:30

yo man whats up...

author: tytheboy time: 2017-2-6 23:57:23

dillon95 replied at 2017-2-6 12:59
is kukuaku a good vanguard?

defensively she is the best hands down

author: Miken97 time: 2017-2-7 01:35:58

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-2-6 20:41
for PVE, Katen destroys RJ, and if you don't have a stocky vang, again, RJ isn't a great zan... ...

What are you talking about? RJ not best choice?

Excluding waiting for new zan, yes he is definietly best choice, no doubt about it. In first place, I don't see a reason why RJ user wouldn't use vanguard( unless he is confident about his speed or his partners are tanky themself). And even when RJ user don't use vanguard he still has upper hand against every other zan

About PvE> PvP thing, it's getting outdated, PvE is a lot more important in early game when you still are low in lvl and silver but with csb update and ToT out, in endgame PvP is IMO as important as PvE. And for me the most important event is void, in which katen isn't anything special while RJ is great for it. Of course I can't neglect katen's usefullnes in ryoka and ES but it's not like RJ user can't do great damage there as well (especially with that kind of money on board) and the difference between katen's and RJ's in regular PvE isn't that important as it can be in void (where just 1k damage more than other player can give you higher place and therefore better rewards). To sum up, RJ> katen every day, and getting katen instead of RJ is just a waste.

author: Shadow49999 time: 2017-2-7 14:32:26

MiyamotoHaizaki replied at 2017-2-6 22:00
hes a bad azz o.o b renji too

yep I already have b renji

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-2-7 16:42:16

Miken97 replied at 2017-2-7 01:35
What are you talking about? RJ not best choice? Excluding waiting for new zan, yes he is definie ...

simply put...  your mistaken on a few points...

RJ can and will make a solid PVP zan with out without a vang, but he is much better with a chunk of a vang out front, any other thought you may have on the situation is just wrong, and kills brain cells...

RJ is a solid vang for events, any idiot can tell you that, but Katen is better as mutulate doesn't work in events, BUT crit bonus does, thus Katen wins hands down in VOID, Ryoka, and Evil Spirit

As a beast in the middle tier of this game goes (where I consider myself to be) I make 1B+ silver, roughly 20+ level 3 stones, and thousands of souls every single day from Evil Spirit and Ryoka every single day...  you're again an idiot if you are even considering the statement that "with csb update and ToT out, in endgame PvP is IMO as important as PvE"...

Now, is late game PVP important? fuck yes, but this guy already has plans for Hasch, Rajin, Yhwach, and Sexy K...  which unless your just an idiot with no idea how to play the game, should easily get you to the top of the pack...  and judging from the way this guy is posting this, it sounds like he's starting on a new server, so you are giving him advice for 8 months from now... are you really considering nerffing your first 8 months of build up time for a zan that will without a doubt be outdated by the time you would start to benefit from him?

Yes, if you are already level 130+, RJ wins in most cases, but new game, new server, sub level 110, Katen wins, hands down, especially since he already has such an OP team where RJ will ONLY be good for overkill vs foes that he already outclasses insanely bad...

Now that you have been clearly been explained the flaws in your logic, you may thank me, and walk away

author: Miken97 time: 2017-2-7 17:49:16

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-2-7 22:42
simply put... your mistaken on a few points...

RJ can and will make a solid PVP zan with out wit ...

Let's start from the fact that I wasn't refering to MiyamotoHaizaki's plans since I think that he is rushing with his top-up without even understanding the game completly, therefore I didn't wanted to reply to his thread but then I saw your post about katen being better choice than RJ, so I'm simply reffering to your statement that katen will be better choice than RJ. (although it will also apply to what MiyamotoHaizaki should do.)
Now about your arguments (btw can't you start discussion without using ad personam arguments?

Well, we are in internet so I should exept it but still it would be nice if you could hold back from it):

RJ can and will make a solid PVP zan with out without a vang, but he is much better with a chunk of a vang out front, any other thought you may have on the situation is just wrong, and kills brain cells...

Please read my post again, I wasn't saying anything about RJ being better without tank or something like that, I just stated that with or without vanguard RJ>katen

RJ is a solid vang for events, any idiot can tell you that, but Katen is better as mutulate doesn't work in events, BUT crit bonus does, thus Katen wins hands down in VOID, Ryoka, and Evil Spirit

Please post video here where someone critics in void, after using katen for more than 6 months I still never saw it while burn and deffense boost from RJ work and therefore top damage dealers in my void are RJ users

As a beast in the middle tier of this game goes (where I consider myself to be) I make 1B+ silver, roughly 20+ level 3 stones, and thousands of souls every single day from Evil Spirit and Ryoka every single day... you're again an idiot if you are even considering the statement that "with csb update and ToT out, in endgame PvP is IMO as important as PvE"...

And you think that difference between katen and RJ in PvE is so insanely big?

It's not like that with katen you will get 20 more waves in ryoka or so than with RJ, difference will be few waves at most and although it's noticable it won't be so crucial, difference between doing few more waves in ryoka is without doubt less impactful than difference between doing whole csb pyramid and only 1 row

Now, is late game PVP important? fuck yes, but this guy already has plans for Hasch, Rajin, Yhwach, and Sexy K... which unless your just an idiot with no idea how to play the game, should easily get you to the top of the pack... and judging from the way this guy is posting this, it sounds like he's starting on a new server, so you are giving him advice for 8 months from now... are you really considering nerffing your first 8 months of build up time for a zan that will without a doubt be outdated by the time you would start to benefit from him?

Now, I already stated that I wasn't reffering to MiyamotoHaizaki but let's be honest, with this top-up everyone from his server will be discouraged to play and he should relatively quick hit about 20 wave of ryoka and it will be enough until first merge, after first merge he will be also able to kil ryokas for most of event, same goes to ES, he will discourage everyone and will have ES to himself, after merge he will be still doing good damage, won't be as good as with katen but difference won't be too big either and when he will hit lvl 100 he will feel difference in void and my personal guess is that new zan won't be better than RJ in void just as RJ isn't better than katen in regular PvE, but void is IMO better than ES+ryoka altogether. Also once again read my previous post

What are you talking about? RJ not best choice? EXCLUDING WAITING FOR NEW ZAN, yes he is definietly best choice, no doubt about it.

The fact that in 8 months RJ will be probably countered isn't argument for buying katen, he will benefit from him a lot earlier.

Yes, if you are already level 130+, RJ wins in most cases, but new game, new server, sub level 110, Katen wins, hands down, especially since he already has such an OP team where RJ will ONLY be good for overkill vs foes that he already outclasses insanely bad...

RJ is better both 130+ and sub 110 lvl, and no matter if he has OP team, he will have hard time with lower vips who have RJ just because he will have katen even if in other case he would outclass them badly+ he will be losing in void, gj great tactic.

Also what about ToT? Losing exclusive fragments ( which are IMO most important things to get) every week? Not the best way to start. And getting ultimate sets from csb will allow him to become a lot stronger thanks to faster advancement of eq.

Now that you have been clearly been explained the flaws in your logic, you may thank me, and walk away

I would rather say that you showed flaws in your logic but whatever, have a nice day

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-2-7 21:13:57

Miken97 replied at 2017-2-7 17:49
Let's start from the fact that I wasn't refering to MiyamotoHaizaki's plans since I think that he i ...

good luck with your flawed logic... I know for sure that Katen is better in events, and I strongly feel that PVE > PVP all day long

author: Miken97 time: 2017-2-8 01:02:36

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-2-8 03:13
good luck with your flawed logic... I know for sure that Katen is better in events, and I strongl ...

If you say so, I wish you could have showed me those flaws, can't see how ES+a little improvement in ryoka> ToT rewards+csb+void. Maybe I could agree with you if katen was better in void, but since she isn't I'm not going to change my opinion that RJ>katen all day long

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-2-8 01:33:58

Miken97 replied at 2017-2-8 01:02
If you say so, I wish you could have showed me those flaws, can't see how ES+a little improvement ...

mutulate does not work in void, period... if it did, we would kill it in a matter of mins
when it did, wasn't void one shotted?

author: Miken97 time: 2017-2-8 02:00:31

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-2-8 07:33
mutulate does not work in void, period... if it did, we would kill it in a matter of mins
when it ...

But burn and deffense boost works while critic doesn't

author: MrBerus time: 2017-2-8 02:02:53

but ignite works ans rj defense helps a vang survive multiple rounds in void. katen just does its dmg and players cant crit void region.
also miken, you could have said from experience that you see high vips, 1 with katen and 1 with ryujin deal very similar damage to ES. It comes down to partner composition, and katen has a nice advantage, but katen isnt that insta win for pve regardless - just like ryujin isnt that insta win for pvp regardless

author: Miken97 time: 2017-2-8 03:50:55

MrBerus replied at 2017-2-8 08:02
but ignite works ans rj defense helps a vang survive multiple rounds in void. katen just does its dm ...

I could have but comparing them in PvE wasn't really my point, also I'm not sure about your and chiko's PvE teams so I prefered to avoid comparing you 2. Of course all depends on team composition but when comparing 2 exactly the same teams then IMO katen is better in PvE regardless and RJ is better in PvP (maybe there are some exeptions but can't think of any atm) and void.

author: MrBerus time: 2017-2-8 04:08:40

same team different zans, no doubt katen is better.
the thing is most ppl seem to think its an insta win if both teams cost around the same, while my point was that rj isnt that bad for pve or chiko and i wouldnt be close in dmg

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-2-8 09:54:04

Miken97 replied at 2017-2-8 02:00
But burn and deffense boost works while critic doesn't

you are telling me that crit bonus does not work on void? like, you are going to stick to that statement? I'll assume for a second that I misunderstood you as that's a dumber statement than "Vang Shinji is better than Demon Ichigo"...  so surely i didn't catch that right

burn does work, but you die first round, and the burn typically doesn't do more than the +180% crit damage does (assuming you have good crit stats on partners, which mine all hover around 75%, so the crit damage would for sure boost me, and lets face it, that's what I'm basing this all off of as that's my experience in the game)

If RJ can help your vang last several rounds, then MAYBE, just MAYBE he can close the gap...  but even you have to admit, you have to have a fucking GRIZZLY vang to stand up to even a full round in VOID, I have a 1M+BP Noza that isn't inflated by anything like excessive hit rate, or speed stones, running Hyorin and the first hit he takes folds him like an old wallet, even if he blocks it...  I fully understand that many people can surely take a round or two and keep going, this just isn't the norm, and even with a top up on this scale would take you months and months (again, probably around the 8 month mark) before you could tank that first round and even hope to start round two, and again, with that 180% crit damage bonus (god help you if you are running B Renji, who's crit damage bonus DOES stack with Katen's on still netting what? 230% critical damage bonus, which does apply to block damage, who if you have an uber tanky vang should be giving out a fair bit of)  while RJ does have some advantages, to say he is better is VERY circumstantial and requires you to be 6M+ total BP or better to acomplish (or at least have a vang much much stronger than this one pictured below)

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and again, I don't even get to give a single block hit back...  so to consider someone is to use RJ at a loss until your vang is THAT much stronger than this, from starting in a new server is throwing out the baby with the bath water...  if you started a new server, and make purchases based on what was better by the time you are THAT strong, you'd be insane as clearly, a new, much better zan will have come out by that time...  honestly, in void I don't even use a vang, I pull out full pve as I understand that my whole team dies in one single hit, no blocks allowed for me as even a blocked hit from them kills my hardiest partner, so I treat Void like a "glass cannon event"  you have to hit hard, round one, cause you only get one hit each

author: MiyamotoHaizaki time: 2017-2-8 09:57:04

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-2-8 09:54
you are telling me that crit bonus does not work on void? like, you are going to stick to that s ...

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