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author: LadyKyojin time: 2017-5-15 17:14:33 Title: Ultra Hero who to pick

i have a choice of 2 partners i can get from ultra hero one 15k and 1 20k my team as follows hiki, tejiro, main b renji and noza zank RJ

i was thinking of koga, insane, shy nemu and even kukaku but anyone else im willing to listen oh i am going for hasc 100%

author: real_xyz time: 2017-5-15 17:27:34

Kukaku i think and Koga maybe

author: domjiro time: 2017-5-15 17:28:29

ryuken + koga, koga halo recudes enemy hit rate by 100%, making ryuken dodge even more

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2017-5-15 17:33:49

As you have Ryujin, you have 2 options (Both heavily surrounding the fact that you need help in PVP): Kukaku or Isane.

Both of these provide insane defensive attributes to your team so you can work around these and link really well with Ryujin and combo extremely well with Hasch too ^^

All of these partners are quite PVP focused, such as Oetsu, who can also fit in your team in case you are struggling with any defensive opponents such as a Vanguard focused team.
Kukaku is probably your best pick here overall, she's the best to combo with Ryujin and your team in general, although some replacements are needed which we can fix.

Now here's where it comes to your decision and not ours. Is your Hikifune important? How vital is her invincibility buff to your team, do you actually need it? Reason for this is because Isane provides the same buff as Hiki with 50% Attack however she does this every round, unlike Hiki who can possibly do this every other/2 rounds. So the only difference she has to Isane is giving invincibility, whilst Isane heals instead. So realise how important that invincibility buff is to you, and question if you're able to swap it out for the healing instead (another defensive attribute)? ^^

B.Renji is the same case, does he need replacing? Do you need that Koga that can replace him in order to attack all enemies and provide CC and high damage? Emphasis on the word 'need'

Future Teams for you: Isane, Hasch, Koga, Noza, Main (Not so recommended, only if you need that extra physical attack from Koga)
Isane, Hasch, B.Renji, Kukaku, Main (Highly recommended, i(n)sane amount of defences in this formation which can turn into your offence with Ryujin, huge surviving abilities)
Hiki, Hasch, Koga, Kukaku, Main (Highly recommended, this is the most balanced of the 3 formations shown here, giving you a good mix of offensive and defensive attributes, mainly surrounding the Koga in battle)

Check 'em all, decide with your battles seeing which skills are important for you (invincibility, more defence etc.) and decide which you need from that, as that's something we can't help you with, other than recommending things from a general view ^^

author: LadyKyojin time: 2017-5-15 17:40:58

domjiro replied at 2017-5-15 22:28
ryuken + koga, koga halo recudes enemy hit rate by 100%, making ryuken dodge even more

i adore your thinking

that would be pretty cool dodge king ryuken

author: sakata26 time: 2017-5-15 17:44:35

LadyKyojin replied at 2017-5-15 17:40
i adore your thinking that would be pretty cool dodge king ryuken

but most people have 200 - 300% hit rate so that's not exactly a viable strategy
if they have 300% hitrate they are still gonna hit with 200% hit rate lol... making it a waste

author: LadyKyojin time: 2017-5-15 17:49:26

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2017-5-15 22:33
As you have Ryujin, you have 2 options (Both heavily surrounding the fact that you need help in PVP) ...

thanks zento, imo i would love to get rid of both hiki and tejiro and just use them for bonds or boost purposes and ofcourse void region atk bonus

,

i was leaning towards noble and hasc but my server friend recommend me not to go with noble insane and go with koga instead but i forgot to mention i can get both if needed to but also mention that id need bikini unohana for insane speed bond but really my hasc would be The FLASH for my team.

i be hoarding the gold for maybe anniversary feast for hasc but that just a waiting game, i could get hasc from bargain sale for 45k 60 points but you dont get the level 10 stones for specific stat like agility wisdom which would be usefull. and also i almost have muken aizen so theres that for furture team i have many possibilities but not sure which directions to go.

author: LadyKyojin time: 2017-5-15 17:52:01

real_xyz replied at 2017-5-15 22:27
Kukaku i think and Koga maybe

that would just be over kill lol nice

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2017-5-15 18:27:24

LadyKyojin replied at 2017-5-15 22:49
thanks zento, imo i would love to get rid of both hiki and tejiro and just use them for bonds or b ...

Oh right you almost have Muken Aizen? Well that changes things a lot!

I would heavily suggest Kukaku and Isane due to this, they can centre around Muken whilst linking together with their defensive attributes ^^
Although I would also say Noble Isane is a great choice due to Muken being in the picture, if she isn't going to be one of the very fastest on your team, I would completely skip out on her, as Hasch becoming 'the Flash' of your team is much more important than Noble Isane boosting assaulters who are generally slow ^^ You would also need to put in alot of work to almost all partners if you went with her, which is one of the hardest things to do pretty much :/

Yep sounds great waiting for anniversary feast, patience is indeed the best thing on this game! ^^

Anyways, the final team of: Isane, Hasch, Muken, Kukaku and Main is brilliant for the Ryujin team, becoming that balanced team for both offensive and defensive whilst working with your Zanpakuto perfectly, heavily recommending this as they all link with each other with their skills and attributes to form a perfect team ^^

author: [email protected] time: 2017-5-15 18:31:15

Go for kukkaku and later Isane if you can

author: Devvoke2 time: 2017-5-15 18:31:26

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author: LadyKyojin time: 2017-5-15 19:40:36

sakata26 replied at 2017-5-15 22:44
but most people have 200 - 300% hit rate so that's not exactly a viable strategy
if they have 300% ...

yes that why i would not go for it lol

author: Cronosel time: 2017-5-15 20:13:04

LadyKyojin replied at 2017-5-15 19:40
i adore your thinking that would be pretty cool dodge king ryuken

Replace tenjiro, put elegant unohana

author: GiroDenis time: 2017-5-15 20:40:41

Edited by GiroDenis at 2017-5-15 20:42

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2017-5-15 17:33
As you have Ryujin, you have 2 options (Both heavily surrounding the fact that you need help in PVP) ...

You always gives so good tips and in-depth points of view, I love u for that bro. Kukaku and Isane would be my recommendations too.

author: GiroDenis time: 2017-5-15 20:41:10

LadyKyojin replied at 2017-5-15 17:40
i adore your thinking that would be pretty cool dodge king ryuken

Believe me, you don't need Ryuken to be a dodge god

author: GiroDenis time: 2017-5-15 20:44:48

sakata26 replied at 2017-5-15 17:44
but most people have 200 - 300% hit rate so that's not exactly a viable strategy
if they have 300% ...

Come at me bro.

author: LadyKyojin time: 2017-5-15 21:15:48

GiroDenis replied at 2017-5-16 01:40
You always gives so good tips and in-depth points of view, I love u for that bro. Kukaku and Isane ...

indeed zento nailed it, id love to have insane, hasc , kukaku maybe thinking this way if only the event lasted 2 more days i get my bonus

author: LadyKyojin time: 2017-5-15 21:16:22

GiroDenis replied at 2017-5-16 01:44
Come at me bro.

correction Sis i think lol

author: GiroDenis time: 2017-5-15 21:20:04

LadyKyojin replied at 2017-5-15 21:16
correction Sis i think lol

Well Im a sis but u a bro, bro? Or u a sis too

author: LadyKyojin time: 2017-5-15 21:47:09

GiroDenis replied at 2017-5-16 02:20
Well Im a sis but u a bro, bro? Or u a sis too

these days i can be both ;), oh yeh you the one with koga right

author: GiroDenis time: 2017-5-15 21:59:06

LadyKyojin replied at 2017-5-15 21:47
these days i can be both ;), oh yeh you the one with koga right

Am I the only Koga user? :O Yaaaaaay

author: LadyKyojin time: 2017-5-15 22:14:27

Edited by LadyKyojin at 2017-5-16 03:16

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2017-5-15 23:27
Oh right you almost have Muken Aizen? Well that changes things a lot!

I would heavily suggest K ...

this is an interesting team active heal from isane,

reason i was looking at noble because shes has whole team 20% defense which can stack with hasc 50% also she has other useful mods which i believe can be triggered by zank attack her 4 5 6 7 seems very helpful and 1 if i face a fury deducting skill, isane 2 3 4 7 will also be useful her 2nd mod poison could stack with burn mutilate and if i face muken he get burned and poison.

another thing is noble will increase damage rate 70% which will not overwrite rj attack boost that is one of the reason i wanted hiki out my team and she slow lol.

author: LadyKyojin time: 2017-5-15 22:15:14

GiroDenis replied at 2017-5-16 02:59
Am I the only Koga user? :O Yaaaaaay

i may be joining you but im just waiting on zentos approval

author: stingya1500 time: 2017-5-16 00:02:51

Devvoke2 replied at 2017-5-15 18:31
context on that most people part

most people over lvl 130 may have that on 1 or 2 partners

well i was gone for like 10 months due to computer issues came back and i had 2 characters with 200+% hit rate was lv116 and for whatever reason anytime i do sereitei attack i always get nothing but hit stones which im not complaining but it would be nice to get some other stones sometimes lol

author: sakata26 time: 2017-5-16 08:04:19

GiroDenis replied at 2017-5-15 20:44
Come at me bro.

umm i've beaten a koga user..... so if ur the only koga user that is in the same csb as mages then i've already came at you and won lol

author: jgooner time: 2017-5-16 08:14:29

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2017-5-16 00:33
As you have Ryujin, you have 2 options (Both heavily surrounding the fact that you need help in PVP) ...

u should write a book xd

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-5-16 08:14:32

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2017-5-15 17:33
As you have Ryujin, you have 2 options (Both heavily surrounding the fact that you need help in PVP) ...

what about Hiki, Hasch, Mayuri, Kukaku, Main? with that RJ, Mayuri and Kukaku should be impossible to take down right?

author: Asian123 time: 2017-5-16 08:18:37

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-5-16 18:14
what about Hiki, Hasch, Mayuri, Kukaku, Main? with that RJ, Mayuri and Kukaku should be impossi ...

Mayuri demands too much attention to be useful.
He's getting Muken soon therefore he doesn't need that problem to deal with(Mayuri)

author: razvanomg time: 2017-5-16 08:23:58

GiroDenis replied at 2017-5-15 21:59
Am I the only Koga user? :O Yaaaaaay

can u send a battle report involving koga please?

author: GiroDenis time: 2017-5-16 11:10:17

razvanomg replied at 2017-5-16 08:23
can u send a battle report involving koga please?

My Koga isnt stacked anymore I'm focussing on Yhwach and Raijin right now :x

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2017-5-16 14:02:30

GiroDenis replied at 2017-5-16 01:40
You always gives so good tips and in-depth points of view, I love u for that bro. Kukaku and Isane ...

Ah right, thanks for that comment! ^^

Yeah they're great partners aren't they? Great combo to have whilst not over-doing it too ^^

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2017-5-16 15:11:02

LadyKyojin replied at 2017-5-16 03:14
this is an interesting team active heal from isane,

reason i was looking at noble because shes ha ...

Although obtaining Noble Isane might be a good choice, as said before she will take a considerable amount of work to put in in order to be useful, whilst the concept of her is to be surrounding the assaulters in her formation; she's only good for 2+ assaulters in 1 formation and ofc as I said, assaulter focused formations ^^

Generally assaulters are slow, and even if they are fast, you would want Noble Isane to become faster than them; she will need work put in here just to apply the Damage Rate boost. This may not seem problematic, however that means your trump card (assaulters) won't be used until it's their turn to go, which means most likely the enemy team has already had their turn. So your assaulters would have to be extremely focused in order to make use of this slow turned strategy.
There are indeed fast assaulters, such as Koga, but as stated before, he will need alot of work to put in, which can bring your team down if not done properly

Although Noble Isane does give 20% defence to the team alongside Haschwalth, in terms of formation efficiency, this would be overdoing it unfortunately, as alongside her 70% damage rate that I just talked about, this would be a small upgrade to simply stack attributes which aren't necessary or can be replaced with better stats, such as the Isane who would give defensive attributes + offensive attributes every round whilst not needing as near as much work as Noble Isane & assaulter formatting in order to be useful ^^

Really, it boils down to whether or not you would actually turn into an assaulter focused formation, and I mean completely focused!

If that's not going to happen, it will unfortunately fall apart and be a complete waste

Also Noble Isane isn't exactly that fast in terms of other speedy competition too, so she will have a troublesome time in setting off her skill in the first place as she just may end up dead, resulting in you wasting resources on her such as agility stones and then you can't even use them in action. If you have people like Isane, she can tank the few hits before her skill due to her defensive attributes, whilst also not needing as much resources, she pretty much only needs Stamina, Wisdom, Fury stones and Crit in order to work efficiently! ^^

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2017-5-16 15:20:20

jgooner replied at 2017-5-16 13:14
u should write a book xd

Oh, i've wrote a few, positioned in both auth/co-auth positions

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2017-5-16 15:31:51

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-5-16 13:14
what about Hiki, Hasch, Mayuri, Kukaku, Main? with that RJ, Mayuri and Kukaku should be impossi ...

Yeah would be impossible to take down, when looking at it from a higher up position tho

Unfortunately, that team has 1 little error which is the Hiki, who doesn't fit there at all, and should be immediately replaced with another; she would end up being overshadowed completely and not being used as efficiently as she could be due to her mix up of being that 1 little offensive partner in a full team of defensive partners who work greatly with their Zanpakuto, she's almost there for nothing! Kind of overdone/overkill on her part but in a bad way ^^

Mayuri isn't great, period. Yes that's the general view of him but it's best to look at him in the general view to make such comments about him else we can create any situation to place him in and make him work best there. He's only suited for Fully defensive formations, and even then, he becomes even more specific for when he can start being useful, as in order to be useful, that defensive team has to be heavily involved in working around Mayuri; ALOT of work needs to be put in if he wants to be competitive, and again, he's only compatible in specific formations, as that's how his partner was created to be! Just made for certain formations, and this one isn't it unfortunately

Now of course this can be done, it would just need the very best of defensive players or best players in general to use this formation in order for it to be working competitively, and even generally those deemed as the best players in this game have only 1/2 partners stacked anyways, but since this formation is very specific, it can easily get countered by other formations that the general population use ^^

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-5-16 18:49:32

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2017-5-16 15:31
Yeah would be impossible to take down, when looking at it from a higher up position tho

Unfortunat ...

sounds good, except you are wrong... just because a partner is good at something does not mean they have no other utility... and scratch Kukaku and replace with Noza...

Stack your Mayuri and Noza to 200%+ block rate, high physical def and kido def to make them tanky, damage dealing block monsters (While RJ is in effect on both sides making this much more effective) Hasch is blistering fast letting RJ go off as early as possible, and Hiki is there for her invurln and damage boost... yes a lot of strong partners have a mod to ignore invurln, but a lot of the stronger partners don't, and a lot of the copies of the partners with it, don't have the mod in effect. It's okay, I understand, you haven't seen a support be used in a supporting role lately, no, really, I get it... she is there for support, not to run the show

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2017-5-16 19:23:28

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-5-16 23:49
sounds good, except you are wrong... just because a partner is good at something does not mean th ...

I never said they have no other utility xD
I stated Mayuri is only designed for specific formations, alongside many partners that are the same, and these formations take a lot out of the user in order to use this formation effectively and actually obtain results, that's all I said, i'm very literal please don't assume things for what I said xD What you just said there,

Stack your Mayuri and Noza to 200%+ block rate, high physical def and kido def to make them tanky

that's exactly what i just said in the comment in reply to your original comment lol, you have to focus around them due to their specific kit, this is bad from both a general view and competitive wise if you aren't able to assist this stacking or deal with the enormous amount of downfalls it provides to your overall team

You even went to the block example and high defence everything on Mayuri which is exactly what I was talking about

This takes alot more effort and damages your team alot more than you think, again, I stated only the actual best are able to perform and create a team like this whilst making it work competitively (I'm just repeating what i said in the comment above yours lol), i've already said everything about this

To do all this and have a working high working Hasch and Hiki alongside all you said, you're talking about what i stated before about being having to be one of the best in order for this to work:

Now of course this can be done, it would just need the very best of defensive players or best players in general to use this formation in order for it to be working competitively

Also wut that last line, I don't get it, i never said that? And i've seen supports being in the support role, as of old and lately

All my talks have been about Hiki being a support playing in the support position, same as Isane, please don't judge me and my talks and read it carefully

author: LadyKyojin time: 2017-5-16 19:44:25

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2017-5-16 20:11
Although obtaining Noble Isane might be a good choice, as said before she will take a considerable ...

cool i understand now i will go with your last proposal xD i was just pointing out the mods that usful but insane sound the better choice and perfect replacement for hiki.

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2017-5-16 19:59:37

LadyKyojin replied at 2017-5-17 00:44
cool i understand now i will go with your last proposal xD i was just pointing out the mods that u ...

Yeah that's fine! Best to make sure everything is clear in a decision your about to make or see if something might be good or bad ^^

Yeah when looking at it, Isane pretty much is one of the perfect replacements for her, as long as her healing can be used greatly of course

Anyways, good luck for the future! Be sure to keep us up to date with any upgrades of yours! ^^

author: LadyKyojin time: 2017-5-16 20:01:34

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2017-5-17 00:59
Yeah that's fine! Best to make sure everything is clear in a decision your about to make or see if ...

yeh sure man thanks for the tips i will sure to post pics and maybe a BR lol

author: Zento-Hazashi time: 2017-5-16 20:13:40

LadyKyojin replied at 2017-5-17 01:01
yeh sure man thanks for the tips i will sure to post pics and maybe a BR lol

Will be looking forward to them

And welcome anytime! ^^

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