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author: kirito00021 time: 2017-7-13 21:55:18 Title: Vanguard worth Grinding the Hiring material for

Edited by kirito00021 at 2017-7-13 23:55

Just wanna know whos better at being a vanguard,
Im still a LOOOONG way from getting either,
There is not much of a point getting both so Id like to know who to go for as a Vanguard

PS:
I plan going for VIP6 for Noza and get Shinigami Agent for that Daily Task free refresh for the Comrade Contracts.

author: trakiner time: 2017-7-13 22:10:07

NOZA AINT F2P YOU STUPID MORON!!! AND F2P WILL NOT EVER REACH RYUMON!!

author: kirito00021 time: 2017-7-13 23:51:16

o_o you were a lil harsh but ya ive seen my flaws, I overlooked the VIP5 Requirement for Noza, let me edit some parts then.

author: Asian123 time: 2017-7-13 23:56:18

If you are VIP 5 or expect to be VIP 5 by the time you have enough swp coupons to get noza directly, Nozarashi Kenpachi is for you.
If you are not VIP 5 or don't expect to be VIP 5 anytime soon, settle for a starrk from tavern or a good vanguard in ubp

author: kirito00021 time: 2017-7-13 23:56:52

trakiner replied at 2017-7-13 22:10
NOZA AINT F2P YOU STUPID MORON!!! AND F2P WILL NOT EVER REACH RYUMON!!

Sorry my Retard shows time to time

author: trakiner time: 2017-7-14 00:29:51

Asian123 replied at 2017-7-13 23:56
If you are VIP 5 or expect to be VIP 5 by the time you have enough swp coupons to get noza directly, ...

Are you high? Whoever gets to spend enought money to reach VIP5 can easily get TSI instead of that useless (compared to TSI) Noza Ken.

author: kirito00021 time: 2017-7-14 00:43:25

trakiner replied at 2017-7-14 00:29
Are you high? Whoever gets to spend enought money to reach VIP5 can easily get TSI instead of that ...

I never said Id top up in one go

only like 200-400g weekly at most

author: Asian123 time: 2017-7-14 02:42:03

trakiner replied at 2017-7-14 10:29
Are you high? Whoever gets to spend enought money to reach VIP5 can easily get TSI instead of that ...

vip 5 is 5k gold topped up.
Idk what brazillian version of Bleach Online you're playing where you can get TSI for 5k top up

Nozarashi Kenpachi is better, as he is the free option if you're VIP 5.
If you want TSI, why not just go for Kukaku and get Jakka while you're at it?

author: trakiner time: 2017-7-14 03:51:53

Asian123 replied at 2017-7-14 02:42
vip 5 is 5k gold topped up.
Idk what brazillian version of Bleach Online you're playing where you ...

We have two kinds of players on this game: spenders and non-spenders. Those who waste big money will really do it to get the best they can. And TSI is better than Noza according to the n°1 player on my server. BTW, who the fuck said anything about stupid brazil, are you high?

author: Asian123 time: 2017-7-14 04:31:34

trakiner replied at 2017-7-14 13:51
We have two kinds of players on this game: spenders and non-spenders. Those who waste big money wi ...

You're too dumb to understand the reference I made.
Brazilian Bleach Online was known for its rebates which would allow you to buy TSI if you've topped up 5k gold and are VIP 5.
Spenders-Intermediate-Big Spenders
Intermediate are the VIP 3-5 from what I know, fyi.
TSI with all his bonds maxed, and with Tensa may indeed be better than a Noza with all his bonds maxed and with Hyorin.
I already said

Nozarashi Kenpachi is better, as he is the free option if you're VIP 5.

I obviously say it because you don't have to buy him with gold/free^

author: trakiner time: 2017-7-14 04:43:18

Asian123 replied at 2017-7-14 04:31
You're too dumb to understand the reference I made.
Brazilian Bleach Online was known for its r ...

Oh, he's free alright... you'll only have to pay countless hours to get all his tickets then spend a butt-load money to reach vip level enough to advance it.

author: Xallog time: 2017-7-14 05:06:49

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author: trakiner time: 2017-7-14 19:20:18

Xallog replied at 2017-7-14 05:06
You don't technically pay for him, being able to get him is just another VIP bonus.

Bullshit! You pay a lot of money to become VIP5.

author: kirito00021 time: 2017-7-14 21:35:54

Asian123 replied at 2017-7-13 23:56
If you are VIP 5 or expect to be VIP 5 by the time you have enough swp coupons to get noza directly, ...

If I aim for Noza, Who to recruit in Alliance honor shop? are the partners there any good even?

author: Asian123 time: 2017-7-14 21:43:05

kirito00021 replied at 2017-7-15 07:35
If I aim for Noza, Who to recruit in Alliance honor shop? are the partners there any good even?

No, there are no partners in the Alliance War Honour Shop worth spending for.
Do not get anything or any partner from there.

author: [email protected] time: 2017-7-15 02:03:38

Edited by [email protected] at 2017-7-15 02:06

Red H.Ichigo/Starrk >>> Noza/Ikkaku if you build your team properly.

Ichi is unkillable and cast priceless aid-rate on AS, aid-rate means that your AS will get healed by a stock unohana thus making any overpowered enemy block VG build useless.

Starrk is opposite - can decimate whole enemy team within few rounds if you decide to stack him (0% Zan is required)

Ps: all that work only if your a low-vip and is planing to take on mid-vips, high vips have RJ that will FK you upp - no matter what.

author: Xallog time: 2017-7-15 03:11:46

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author: trakiner time: 2017-7-15 04:08:38

Edited by trakiner at 2017-7-15 04:13

[email protected] replied at 2017-7-15 02:03
Red H.Ichigo/Starrk >>> Noza/Ikkaku if you build your team properly.

Ichi is unkillable and cast p ...

Ikkaku is useless if the enemy has a stunner faster than him and against a strong yamamoto!

author: trakiner time: 2017-7-15 04:14:41

Xallog replied at 2017-7-15 03:11
You don't buy him with gold.

You buy gold with real money and you buy vip with real money too. Same shit!

author: Xallog time: 2017-7-15 04:16:45

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author: trakiner time: 2017-7-15 04:22:51

Xallog replied at 2017-7-15 04:16
It's a benefit to having VIP5, like how skipping battles are a benefit of VIP4.

AND THE ONLY WAY TO GET IS BY SPENDING REAL MONEY! Case closed on this subject! After Red Phase2 a lot of stuff have become USELESS on the game... like those conrade partners... gogames should fix that asap, this shit is all unbalanced and 50% of the game became useless now. With karakuta town event new players won't even need tavern partners anymore.

author: Xallog time: 2017-7-15 04:23:23

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author: trakiner time: 2017-7-15 04:23:54

Edited by trakiner at 2017-7-15 04:27

Xallog replied at 2017-7-15 04:23
Some red tavern partners are better than the partners you can rent for free in Karakura

NOT if you hire them on a new server from day one!

author: Xallog time: 2017-7-15 04:27:13

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author: trakiner time: 2017-7-15 04:33:21

Edited by trakiner at 2017-7-15 04:34

Xallog replied at 2017-7-15 04:27
At best for free you can get 2 weeks of 1 partner or 1 week of 2 partners, that's still not enough ...

I'm starting to think you really are stupid, brother. You get 10 candy, some partners cost only 3. Wich means you can get one partner for 3 WEEKS from the event. This event already happened two times so, you could already have 6 WEEKS from the total time to get one great partner for free. Also you get 90 free gold early game that you can spend on this to add time. And motivated by that you can top-up a few bucks and keep going. And if you really care for this game, buying a Isshin Kuromoron (and getting the tall dumb weirdo as a red partner supporter) from day one at karakura event is the best way to start playing on a new server.

author: Xallog time: 2017-7-15 04:41:24

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author: trakiner time: 2017-7-15 04:50:38

Xallog replied at 2017-7-15 04:41
Pretty sure the ones that cost 3 are worse than red tavern partners. Plus some people go entirely ...

Shini Yoru and Shini Urahara can be GREAT partners if you stack and mod'em from the beggining.

author: Xallog time: 2017-7-15 04:54:25

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author: trakiner time: 2017-7-15 05:04:13

Xallog replied at 2017-7-15 04:54
Possibly, in the end it depends on what your circumstances are in game I suppose

Sure! But imagine if by now you already have a fully grown Shinigami Yoruichi (with that amazing invincible skill)... it screwed the whole game mechanics for new players.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-15 10:14:38

kirito00021 replied at 2017-7-14 00:43
I never said Id top up in one go
only like 200-400g weekly at most

just throwing this out there... with a 400g top up, you will get 400 gold from rebate and another 100 from events isn't hard to aquire... TSI is 900/week... his healing mod is really where he pulls ahead of Noza... however, with your options here... get Noza, stack the shit out of him, buff that block rate as high as you can (170%+ should be your goal) raise his HP, kido and physical defense, and physical attack... counter rate is good too as it prevents some of those crit hits... do not make him T1 as his skill is kind of shitty in PVP until it becomes his exclusive

author: Xallog time: 2017-7-15 10:16:02

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author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-15 10:16:45

Asian123 replied at 2017-7-14 04:31
You're too dumb to understand the reference I made.
Brazilian Bleach Online was known for its r ...

As someone that has stacked both, if you took away TSI's 4th mod, my Noza would fucking crush my TSI, and my TSI has 300k more BP, tons of attack power, speed, ect much better than my Noza's was, but that block rate is HARD to beat with a good attack behind it

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-15 10:17:47

[email protected] replied at 2017-7-15 02:03
Red H.Ichigo/Starrk >>> Noza/Ikkaku if you build your team properly.

Ichi is unkillable and cast p ...

you are mistaken... Noza crushes H Ichi in 95% of cases... sorry

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-15 10:18:09

trakiner replied at 2017-7-15 04:08
Ikkaku is useless if the enemy has a stunner faster than him and against a strong yamamoto!

shin Isshin comes to mind...

author: trakiner time: 2017-7-15 10:27:45

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-15 10:18
shin Isshin comes to mind...

Shin Isshin Shain Shun Shen CHeng Shin as an answer for a great assault-killing-machine or about he's getting useless like Ikkaku if stopped by a faster supporter?

author: Asian123 time: 2017-7-15 11:25:29

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-15 20:16
As someone that has stacked both, if you took away TSI's 4th mod, my Noza would fucking crush my T ...

Noza's only flaw is his Fossilize.
You can fix that with his exclusive skill, as you may know.
I believe a Noza vs TSI solo considering both have everything the same would result in Noza's victory(considering both would be using their exclusive skills).

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-15 12:20:52

Asian123 replied at 2017-7-15 11:25
Noza's only flaw is his Fossilize.
You can fix that with his exclusive skill, as you may know.
I ...

nope... any smart TSI user would never change his 4th mod... Noza has VERY little self regen ability, and even if fossilized, TSI can and will still gain HP and counter attack, sometimes several times per round given how you set him up... if neither can kill the other by the end of 20 rounds, the one with more HP wins, and TSI's regen should give him a HUGE leg up on that one... however when you look at the $500 difference in price (you could prob get him with $200 spent right) Noza should be more than good enough with Hyorin, a hard stack, 190%+ block rate, and a great wisdom set on with every bit of health regen on him as you can put

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-15 12:23:58

trakiner replied at 2017-7-15 10:27
Shin Isshin Shain Shun Shen CHeng Shin as an answer for a great assault-killing-machine or about h ...

then how about a red Tosen, he's very fast for a tavern partner, with a crippling skill to assaulters... in fact, possibly the BIGGEST negative status effect in the game vs assaulters... the more stacked you are, the bigger PITA it becomes... Bankai Yama, Muken Aizen, Yhwach, ect... a super fast T1 tosen could and would ruin that little meta.... just stuff I think about

author: trakiner time: 2017-7-15 12:24:27

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-15 12:20
nope... any smart TSI user would never change his 4th mod... Noza has VERY little self regen abi ...

http://forums.gogames.me/thread-88847-1-1.html

author: trakiner time: 2017-7-15 12:24:50

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-15 12:23
then how about a red Tosen, he's very fast for a tavern partner, with a crippling skill to assault ...

http://forums.gogames.me/thread-88847-1-1.html

author: Xallog time: 2017-7-15 12:25:17

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author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-15 12:25:59

Xallog replied at 2017-7-15 10:16
His exclusive still has fossilize though, isn't that why you swapped to TSI?

his exclusive skill does still fossilize, but fossilize itself is not the problem with Noza... it's the fact that he causes a status effect that makes you not get hurt by skills, then it makes someone on your team skill next round... if Noza is the only one left, he just keeps hitting the other vang who is not hurt by it, but they can still counter him... his exclusive skill will never fill his own fury, so he can still do damage at that point

author: trakiner time: 2017-7-15 12:26:52

Xallog replied at 2017-7-15 12:25
That's not relevant to this conversation whatsoever.

http://forums.gogames.me/thread-88847-1-1.html

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author: Xallog time: 2017-7-15 12:28:14

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author: trakiner time: 2017-7-15 12:31:59

Xallog replied at 2017-7-15 12:27
Don't even know why you're bragging about it when you're not the one who did it.

Xallog, are you really THAT stupid? I AM SATANI KIITO YOU MORON!!

author: Xallog time: 2017-7-15 12:37:08

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author: trakiner time: 2017-7-15 12:41:25

Xallog replied at 2017-7-15 12:37
You're calling me stupid but you wrote that entire forum post in third person, and you expect me t ...

Xallog Luke-ish... I.. I'M YOUR FATHER!! Join the dark side of the force, son! We really need someone to use as human shield for target practicing anyway, you'd be welcome to fill the part!! Just kidding, I'm Charlie Sheen! For realsies!

author: Miken97 time: 2017-7-15 12:43:08

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-15 18:20
nope... any smart TSI user would never change his 4th mod... Noza has VERY little self regen abi ...

as someone who used to have stacked noza vs stacked TSI fights I can for sure say that in direct fight noza has higher chance to win, they aren't capable to kill each other so it ends in who has more hp, and since noza has higher hp potential he will win if both got stacked using exactly same resources, TSI's regen isn't huge factor here as both should end with full hp (since on both sides hp regen will surpass offense of opponent) especially since most of this fight will be just noza skill's loop in which case noza won't be able to deal any damage but ichigo will be able to deal damage only with blocks (which will be easily outhealed), also with hyorinmaru noza has pretty nice hp regen and since it works every turn it can compete with TSI's healing (in 1vs1 fight, obviously when TSI is attacked by 5 opponents his healing will be better than noza's but in most cases after 1 round only one or two enemies remain so TSI has real advantage only at start of fight or against RJ users)

author: Asian123 time: 2017-7-15 13:33:19

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-15 22:20
nope... any smart TSI user would never change his 4th mod... Noza has VERY little self regen abi ...

I understand that TSI costs actual gold to buy.
Considering his skill and exclusive skill(just stats and I'd expect Noza to win since he has the 50% of atk heal from hyorin 100 100 100 fortify). Idk as much about TSI but I know that he recovers like 100 fury with his exclusive skill.
TSI is more suited to outdo Jakka users I suppose as I can imagine him getting heal by just about every opponent's attacks if lucky. I just know TSI would do less damage as compared to Noza since Noza gets a % atk bonus to himself.
Exclusive Skill as I said, I believe Noza would win as Noza would not regain fury after fossilizing TSI and his atk would be increased by 15%.
Considering all the factors, I still believe that Exclusive Noza wins vs Exclusive TSI considering both have everything the same.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-15 14:27:46

Miken97 replied at 2017-7-15 12:43
as someone who used to have stacked noza vs stacked TSI fights I can for sure say that in direct f ...

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this guy is hard to outtank for most... just sayin', lol

author: trakiner time: 2017-7-15 14:36:33

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-15 14:27
this guy is hard to outtank for most... just sayin', lol

Amazing!

author: kirito00021 time: 2017-7-16 02:31:37

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-15 10:14
just throwing this out there... with a 400g top up, you will get 400 gold from rebate and another ...

I'll be sure to keep that in mind

author: kirito00021 time: 2017-7-16 02:47:56

The poll is pretty much one sided

I always thought Ryumon was cool with that 75% block rate in his skill,
Oh well we do get smarter Daily

author: Miken97 time: 2017-7-16 06:39:50

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-15 20:27
this guy is hard to outtank for most... just sayin', lol

I'm not sure why do you show it to me since I was talking about noza vs TSI in general but while this is some nice TSI he isn't really that hard to outtank. His hp is kinda lowish when compared to other stats and even though many weaker players would have hard time against him, when you are fighting against some well stacked noza that hp won't be anywhere enough to outtank him, and tbh honest it's not only noza, TSI isn't really suited for outtanking others (since he has lowest hp potential out of all red vanguards) so vanguard fights aren't really in his favour

author: [email protected] time: 2017-7-16 07:03:42

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-15 10:17
you are mistaken... Noza crushes H Ichi in 95% of cases... sorry

Why dont you use him? noob

Every Noza turned to be food for my H.Ichigo+B.Renji+Unohana combo. I swaped to Ichibe now, but only for def purpose to survive in void.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-16 08:02:11

[email protected] replied at 2017-7-16 07:03
Why dont you use him? noob Every Noza turned to be food for my H.Ichigo+B.Renji+Unohana combo ...

this is why I don't use H Ichi, in case you didn't see him before...

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before this I used Noza, his pic looks like he's on par with my TSI, which he kind of is... however TSI's healing mod is why i made the swap
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author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-16 08:04:02

Miken97 replied at 2017-7-16 06:39
I'm not sure why do you show it to me since I was talking about noza vs TSI in general but while th ...

he does very well for me... stacked Shura Kenpachis and Oetsus are my main issues ATM

author: firemaster33 time: 2017-7-16 11:41:12

i use a red koma its v nice

author: [email protected] time: 2017-7-17 04:12:43

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-16 08:02
this is why I don't use H Ichi, in case you didn't see him before...

I know it, but that does not change the fact that stacked Noza formations are easy to counter. Noza is only good to destroy bums and glass cannons, after a certain moment when people start to stack def & hp he become a handicap.

author: [email protected] time: 2017-7-17 06:37:29

[email protected] replied at 2017-7-17 17:12
I know it, but that does not change the fact that stacked Noza formations are easy to counter. Noz ...

http://bleachjf.gametrees.com/fi ... ;t=1&lang=en_US

My lucky win vs noza lol

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-17 07:00:45

[email protected] replied at 2017-7-17 04:12
I know it, but that does not change the fact that stacked Noza formations are easy to counter. Noz ...

good luck on that HP game with H Ichi vs a well built Noza... just sayin'

author: [email protected] time: 2017-7-17 07:19:41

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-17 07:00
good luck on that HP game with H Ichi vs a well built Noza... just sayin'

Im not using Ichi anymore. But i've beat strongest Noza in my server group (9m pvp buff hp) before by using Ichigo+Renji+Una. Its stupid to compare heavely stacked Noza to non-stacked Ichi in 1 vs 1, team vs team Ichi>Noza anytime.

As for now ''good luck on that HP game with Noza vs Ichibe''. I dont even care for any Noza now, right now my main problem is RJ.

author: [email protected] time: 2017-7-17 07:24:08

[email protected] replied at 2017-7-17 06:37
http://bleachjf.gametrees.com/fightreport/?rid=10420695966982190&aid=68&t=1&lang=en_US

My lucky w ...

Swap Ken for Unohana and you wont need any luck to beat them. Just make sure she's t1 or gets 100 fury before her turn - so she wont die from block. That was a weak VG trough, on a stacked one you would be dealing 10-15% of his max hp per turn.

author: trakiner time: 2017-7-17 07:24:32

[email protected] replied at 2017-7-17 07:19
Im not using Ichi anymore. But i've beat strongest Noza in my server group (9m pvp buff hp) before ...

I'll teach something for life, dude... just STFU and listen to whatever Mylar says! He's never wrong about anything os this game! Ever!

author: [email protected] time: 2017-7-17 07:27:37

trakiner replied at 2017-7-17 07:24
I'll teach something for life, dude... just STFU and listen to whatever Mylar says! He's never wro ...

I refuse.

author: MylarHyrule time: 2017-7-17 10:21:01

[email protected] replied at 2017-7-17 07:19
Im not using Ichi anymore. But i've beat strongest Noza in my server group (9m pvp buff hp) before ...

RJ is exactly why I switched to TSI, lol

author: [email protected] time: 2017-7-17 12:55:58

MylarHyrule replied at 2017-7-17 10:21
RJ is exactly why I switched to TSI, lol

I think it's so much easier to counter RJ with just another RJ - now when RJ is droped to 30k. TSI is cool with that heal chance to but i dont feel for hard stacking VG. I hope they drop Hasch to 30k anytime soon aswell or else i will be forced to become a RJ lamer myself, aleredy around 10 RJ users in my server group

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