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author: Dotiie    time: 2015-10-12 09:33:48     Title: CSB Byakuya vs CSB Aizen

ok here im with a new poll about csb blah blah blah (no one rly cares, right?)


this times i will see through the reply and the poll will just be a minimal help
SO PLZ REPLY UR OPINION AND DONT JUST THROW A RANDOM VOTE

ok so after all said lets go:

Formation: Isshin (t1) - Yama (the one who carry my team) - Starrk (Noza in future) - Cute Orihime
Zanpakuto: Senbonzakura


BEFORE call me stupid, dumb, etc...
Keep in mind my cute orihime is just there to increase my bp (so senbon deal more dmg i think), she does nothing, at all, so even if i get aizen and focus a bit more he would still be worse then if i take byakuya

idk how good they are, i know a bit (based on what i see) and they are decent, so plz help me we this choice, dont just troll


author: Xallog    time: 2015-10-12 09:40:47

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author: Dotiie    time: 2015-10-12 09:41:36

Xallog replied at 2015-10-12 14:40
Aizen is better in this case, you've already got decent assaulters and Aizen's ability is great for  ...

my dear yama follower, U SHOULD KNOW DAT YAmA KILL EVERYTHING
author: TanakaAiri    time: 2015-10-12 09:45:45

Dotiie replied at 2015-10-12 09:41
my dear yama follower, U SHOULD KNOW DAT YAmA KILL EVERYTHING

Well then judging based on this response alone lol why would u want to take byakuya? Yama probably won't leave anything for him to do :/

Grab Aizen
author: Dotiie    time: 2015-10-12 09:47:59

TanakaAiri replied at 2015-10-12 14:45
Well then judging based on this response alone lol why would u want to take byakuya? Yama probably ...

i would drop isshin and later give t1 to both (i wont give t1 to aizen, he will be rly weak, unless i give my best stones, hogus etc.. and u know what? i ahve senbon, not worth imo
author: Xallog    time: 2015-10-12 09:50:09

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author: Dotiie    time: 2015-10-12 09:55:02

Edited by Dotiie at 2015-10-12 14:58
Xallog replied at 2015-10-12 14:50
True, but it's not 100% guaranteed that yama will 1shot everything, imo if you could I'd go for SW ...

after get noza, pantera and resurection (for bond purposes) i will go for swp aizen definitely

my team now is based on isshin's combo to get t1, yama clean almost any team, usually just vg survive
http://logineu.gogames.me/fightr ... d=58&t=1&lang=en_US this is one prove
author: TanakaAiri    time: 2015-10-12 09:59:25

Before I say anything more, who's your third assaulter? And btw I wouldn't replace isshin just yet, his void will be super crucial for pvp. Let's you are working on a brute power setup where you ensure that you wipe your enemies as swiftly as possible
author: Dotiie    time: 2015-10-12 10:01:15

TanakaAiri replied at 2015-10-12 14:59
Before I say anything more, who's your third assaulter? And btw I wouldn't replace isshin just yet,  ...

3rd as.saulter is main... (cant get rid of it, is kido btw)

i want a pure brute force team, its my style of playing
author: TanakaAiri    time: 2015-10-12 10:05:44

Ye I know about the main, I forgot you mentioned yama sorry lol. A pure brute force team? Ok then you would prolly want a complete Aoe team, well then yea you could get byakuya(less you wanna venture into the paid characters department). Tbh, partners like csb aizen n the likes require speed to of any real use, since u use senbon that probably won't ever happen less you plan to spend big bucks into his investment OR plan to switch up your setup in the near future.
author: Dotiie    time: 2015-10-12 10:07:11

Edited by Dotiie at 2015-10-12 15:08
TanakaAiri replied at 2015-10-12 15:05
Ye I know about the main, I forgot you mentioned yama sorry lol. A pure brute force team? Ok then yo ...

my next formation will be 0-2-3 next year , IF a decent supp based zanp comes out
author: TanakaAiri    time: 2015-10-12 10:29:43

Why 0-2-3? Afraid of lil ol bankai rukia? Lol
author: Suzuken    time: 2015-10-12 10:41:47

you need AoE stunner for hollow map and kyoka is the real deal ... i think ..... nah he barely stuns ..... but u might get lucky ...... so ....yeah ... dunno ..
author: Dotiie    time: 2015-10-12 10:44:02

TanakaAiri replied at 2015-10-12 15:29
Why 0-2-3? Afraid of lil ol bankai rukia? Lol

idk, i always wanted to be diffrent, and u barely see 1-1-3, 0-2-3 doesnt exist (at least i never saw) and can be a interesting mechanic
author: Dotiie    time: 2015-10-12 10:44:34

Edited by Dotiie at 2015-10-12 15:45
Suzuken replied at 2015-10-12 15:41
you need AoE stunner for hollow map and kyoka is the real deal ... i think ..... nah he barely stuns ...

ok try next time....
author: TanakaAiri    time: 2015-10-12 10:45:42

Suzuken replied at 2015-10-12 10:41
you need AoE stunner for hollow map and kyoka is the real deal ... i think ..... nah he barely stuns ...

TBH , idk if its only me or not but partners like shinso etc tend to have a pretty high stun rate in hollow souls(well this is from my testing). Shinso Stuns at least 1 mob 100% of the time , idk if i just mysteriously lucky or someone else notices this too.
author: Dotiie    time: 2015-10-12 10:48:43

TanakaAiri replied at 2015-10-12 15:45
TBH , idk if its only me or not but partners like shinso etc tend to have a pretty high stun rate  ...

i never felt the need of using stunners in hollow map, i defeated tousen and gin with brute force (yama dealing enought dmg to kill them in 2 to 3 rounds max)
author: TanakaAiri    time: 2015-10-12 10:55:52

Dotiie replied at 2015-10-12 10:44
idk, i always wanted to be diffrent, and u barely see 1-1-3, 0-2-3 doesnt exist (at least i never  ...

U said a decent supporter Zanpakto, but isn't Muramasa a good one already?
author: Dotiie    time: 2015-10-12 10:56:47

TanakaAiri replied at 2015-10-12 15:55
U said a decent supporter Zanpakto, but isn't Muramasa a good one already?

ok i should have said rly good, like senbon is for as.saulters, but for supp
author: MylarHyrule    time: 2015-10-12 10:58:05

Isshin>wings.  and cute orihime does do stuff,  she keeps your peeps skilling slightly more than they would.  though Shini Kieske would no question be better in your team than she is...  just syain
author: Dotiie    time: 2015-10-12 11:02:42

Edited by Dotiie at 2015-10-12 16:04
MylarHyrule replied at 2015-10-12 15:58
Isshin>wings.  and cute orihime does do stuff,  she keeps your peeps skilling slightly more than the ...

in growth rates, wings win, and orihime doesnt even attack once
author: Suzuken    time: 2015-10-12 11:07:20

TanakaAiri replied at 2015-10-12 18:45
TBH , idk if its only me or not but partners like shinso etc tend to have a pretty high stun rate  ...

shinso and kyoka do stun a lot in csb, i mean all the battle reports i've seen they always stun so i think he's a  good bet .-. taking down Aizen with just brute force is not cheap
author: alicantibet    time: 2015-10-12 12:49:20

Pick Aizen, you already got strong assulter
author: Dotiie    time: 2015-10-12 12:50:13

alicantibet replied at 2015-10-12 17:49
Pick Aizen, you already got strong assulter

i never follow aizen's followers, gtfo or i will burn u

jk i might go, since everyone speak only about him
author: alicantibet    time: 2015-10-12 12:53:58

Dotiie replied at 2015-10-12 12:50
i never follow aizen's followers, gtfo or i will burn u

jk i might go, since everyone speak only  ...

Come at me bro!

But yea, Aizen is a really good  choice, nice stats, ability etc, I was going for him but Im going for Shin Aizen.
author: Dotiie    time: 2015-10-12 12:54:29

alicantibet replied at 2015-10-12 17:53
Come at me bro!

But yea, Aizen is a really good  choice, nice stats, ability etc, I was going for ...

i also have to go to swp aizen, wanna finish my collection of swp ;)
author: alicantibet    time: 2015-10-12 12:56:10

Dotiie replied at 2015-10-12 12:54
i also have to go to swp aizen, wanna finish my collection of swp ;)

Gotta catch em all?
author: Dotiie    time: 2015-10-12 13:01:44

alicantibet replied at 2015-10-12 17:56
Gotta catch em all?

I wanna be the very best ;)
author: MylarHyrule    time: 2015-10-12 13:11:17

maybe I'm unlucky, Shinzo's stun was probably around the 25% mark for me, then again I may have been doing something wrong, or missing something.   Then again I'm higher than VIP4, so I almost never watch fights, so I may be watching the wrong fights, lol
author: shadarlo    time: 2015-10-14 00:34:41

If you're 1-shotting everyone with Yama I feel like you are either a HUGE VIP or you are fighting fairly weak people.  Yama hits hard, but versus stronger opponents he will not be 1-shotting them anymore.

Byaka and Yama on the same team is pointless imo.  If you split up your damage between them you're removing the whole point.  Yama should have all your strongest stuff and even merged stuff prob if you're trying to 1-shot.  Byak would just make him weaker as would a strong Noza.  All the stones on them aren't on Yama, unless of course you already have lvl 12 stones on yama

CSB Aizen won't be fast enough to help you stop shinso's/swp aizens... since you use senbon.  So you're kinda screwed vs anyone with either of those and a good team to back them up or a faster Isshin than your Yama.
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-10-14 00:59:16

shadarlo replied at 2015-10-14 00:34
If you're 1-shotting everyone with Yama I feel like you are either a HUGE VIP or you are fighting fa ...

Literally everything you said was incorrect.
author: shadarlo    time: 2015-10-14 11:19:32

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-14 00:59
Literally everything you said was incorrect.

Literally everything you said was vague and pointless without explanation   Troll +1 for you, congrats.
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-10-14 11:53:06

shadarlo replied at 2015-10-14 00:34
If you're 1-shotting everyone with Yama I feel like you are either a HUGE VIP or you are fighting fa ...

1: Yamamoto has one of the strongest skills in the game. He one shots ( including his 25% proc that happens before enemy attack ) a very high percentage of the time. His problem is not, and has never been, damage related. His problem has always been speed.

2: Yama mod 4 gives 10% more speed to CSB Bya, himself, and maybe your main. It is probably the strongest mod in a game that revolves around speed. I would literally use him on a PvP  team if his skill did 1 damage, and he had 1 health soley for the fact that it gives 10% speed. It is just awkward. If you have no issues topping up, there are better heroes to benefit from the speed boost (Mugetsu/WIchigo/Kensei even, etc). If you want to use free heroes, you probably don't want to spend money on Yama. However, the combination is entirely solid.

As for your point on splitting up damage, it literally makes no sense. AoE compositions have been a thing for quite some time now, and at high level play it is incredibly common to see it. Splitting up damage would be using Ber Renji + Yama. Renji would kill 2 people, but Yama would have just killed those people anyway with his Attack All, etc.

Senbon is the fastest Zanpakuto in the game. If you can go first, you have such a large speed boost that you can often times go second as well. Just another reason why Yama is much better then you seem to want to give him credit for. In the case of CSB Bya + Yama, you would have a +35% speed(Not including the passive Zan stuff), and the opponents would have a -10% speed from Bya's skill. That is a sufficient amount of speed to overcome quite a bit of a speed gap. The trick would be getting CSB Bya to be faster then anyone else naturally before Zan buff, which is costly/time consuming and BRukia or Mugetsu + Yama is a wall you probably can't ever get past when all things are equal.
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-14 12:09:12

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-14 11:53
1: Yamamoto has one of the strongest skills in the game. He one shots ( including his 25% proc tha ...

yama have agility mod and talent +with senbon he's gonna be very fast
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-14 12:10:01

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-14 11:53
1: Yamamoto has one of the strongest skills in the game. He one shots ( including his 25% proc tha ...

shinso final speed mod is OP 10% SPEED TO ALL TEAM
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-14 12:11:46

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-14 11:53
1: Yamamoto has one of the strongest skills in the game. He one shots ( including his 25% proc tha ...

in fact it is tensa now
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-14 12:12:20

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-14 11:53
1: Yamamoto has one of the strongest skills in the game. He one shots ( including his 25% proc tha ...

bya is pretty fast with a speed mod , talent and zan fortify
author: Dotiie    time: 2015-10-14 12:13:26

SeiryuSky replied at 2015-10-14 17:09
yama have agility mod and talent +with senbon he's gonna be very fast

yama doeesnt have agi/speed talent, yama was made for pure destruction (str by % and dmg rate)
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-14 12:14:11

Dotiie replied at 2015-10-14 12:13
yama doeesnt have agi/speed talent, yama was made for pure destruction (str by % and dmg rate)

he have a mod one at least
author: Dotiie    time: 2015-10-14 12:17:35

SeiryuSky replied at 2015-10-14 17:14
he have a mod one at least

yeah 7% agi i belive, i still dont know what is better speed or agi, i belive agi would be better in yama cuz of talent, and speed on those char with speed talent/modify
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-10-14 12:18:21

SeiryuSky replied at 2015-10-14 12:10
shinso final speed mod is OP  10% SPEED TO ALL TEAM

Shinso is only Kido, so basically you "Could" get 4 people with it if your main is Kido, but if your main is Kido your rocking a 1-1-3 with 4 Kido damage users and I would probably recommend that you diversify a little bit. I consider Shinso and Yama pretty much the same on terms of Mod power level.

Tensa is only faster naturally. After Zan buffs, Senbonzakura is 9% faster. The point was that you "could" have a high enough speed to go first ( thus getting Senbon to buff ) and have a very high chance to go second as well.
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-10-14 12:19:27

Dotiie replied at 2015-10-14 12:17
yeah 7% agi i belive, i still dont know what is better speed or agi, i belive agi would be better  ...

1: Speed % is better. It is a end modifier that increases both your Agility and Speed stats by 10%. Agility only increases Agility.

2: Yama has Agi and Speed. His tier 4 mod is +10% Speed to all Ghost Blades ( Of which he is one of ).
author: Dotiie    time: 2015-10-14 12:21:58

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-14 17:19
1: Speed % is better. It is a end modifier that increases both your Agility and Speed stats by 10% ...

sry dude but his 4th affect maniac blade (vanguards) and not all ghost blades
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-10-14 12:24:32

Dotiie replied at 2015-10-14 12:21
sry dude but his 4th affect maniac blade (vanguards) and not all ghost blades

In before he realizes.
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-14 12:38:52

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-14 12:18
Shinso is only Kido, so basically you "Could" get 4 people with it if your main is Kido, but if yo ...

yeah that's hwta i mean ( or 0-2-3 lol )
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-14 12:40:23

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-14 12:18
Shinso is only Kido, so basically you "Could" get 4 people with it if your main is Kido, but if yo ...

you said fastest by fastest it means total speed given to the whole team not to 1 rank you should use your  sentences more precisely next time
author: shadarlo    time: 2015-10-14 20:03:09

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-14 11:53
1: Yamamoto has one of the strongest skills in the game. He one shots ( including his 25% proc tha ...

I feel like all of that just said what I was trying to get at.  That you'll still lose to Mugetsu/B.Rukia whether you get Byak or not.  And without Byak you'll prob kill most everyone else anyhow.  So.... I feel Byak is redundant with Yama.  He doesn't let you kill many people that you wouldn't have already killed.

My point about splitting damage was that if you have Yama with lvl 10 stones and Byak with lvl 10 stones, for example... you could have yama with lvl 11 stones and doing far more dmg and yama does more anyhow, so amplifying his higher damage just makes sense imo.
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-10-15 05:26:24

Pick Aizen CSB and Aizen SWP both t1 with Shino Gin = 3-1-1 and if you can get Demon Ichigo (Heal/AOE and buff Aid Rate) or TSI or AOE SmackDown...
I am planning on getting that set up just missing a few partner, but i use Shinso Gin, Shinigami Urahara, Daggaron Tshiro, Main and Ichigo Which i would Alternate with Kenny for now until i get Demon or TSI and My Aizens.= 3-1-1 PVP SmackDown.
t1 For my Supports Using Jizo as Zanpakuto and will get Muramasa or what his name is called.
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-10-15 05:34:56

Also have Alternative Formation: according to speed.
1) Kenpachi Unohana t1 (self immunity) 2) Shinigami Yoruchi (self immunity) 3) Kensei [working on his t1](Stun and disarm rage like 79%[personal experience] 4) Main Sophisticated or i use Unohana (Last Mod[worked hard on her health so she wont be lower than kenpachi Unohana {or alternatively make her the lowest so he doesnt die and keeps on healing} thats if match doesnt end in 1-2 rounds])  
author: thepoke007    time: 2015-10-15 05:35:40

aizen for sure u have 2 high quality assaulters with yama attaking all team such as byaku, aizen would be a plus in ur team as a supp who attks all team too
author: Dotiie    time: 2015-10-15 06:45:47

thepoke007 replied at 2015-10-15 10:35
aizen for sure u have 2 high quality assaulters with yama attaking all team such as byaku, aizen wou ...

i think ppl dont see the point, with senbon its hard to have a decent good supp,would u rather put more stuff into someone that benefit from zanpakuto or someone who doesnt?
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-10-15 06:51:38

thepoke007 replied at 2015-10-15 05:35
aizen for sure u have 2 high quality assaulters with yama attaking all team such as byaku, aizen wou ...

You can get Aizen but...
Personally SWP is Beta and you can then get his Upgrade Form which is Beast and you dont need a Support Zanpakuto cuz she is Fast af. and got Mad Power plus Shuts down Support and Also Assaulter to a Degree.
What you can do is get Kenpachi and Byakuya or Just Kenpachi for now.
Cuz Nt even Yama Can Compare to CSB Kanpachi Attk Power can One hit Demon Ichigo which i hv been and He was very Tanky even TSI (ONE HIT). then is you want byakuya cuz stat wise he is beta then yama wen you check out evo and mod too.
so think about it, as per End Game
SWP Ulimate Aizen,CSB Kenny,CSB Byakuya,Main,Kenny or who ever.
BEAST
author: thepoke007    time: 2015-10-15 07:09:31

Dotiie replied at 2015-10-15 12:45
i think ppl dont see the point, with senbon its hard to have a decent good supp,would u rather put ...

oh i see indeed didn't take into account senbon, but isn't senbon handicaping assaulters in term of speed or dmg?

don't have sen so i can't really assess
author: thepoke007    time: 2015-10-15 07:11:17

[email protected] replied at 2015-10-15 12:51
You can get Aizen but...
Personally SWP is Beta and you can then get his Upgrade Form which is Be ...

indee got csb ken but only for pve purposes as for this post it is more oriented to pvp so couldn't suggest it
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-10-15 09:53:57

thepoke007 replied at 2015-10-15 07:11
indee got csb ken but only for pve purposes as for this post it is more oriented to pvp so couldn' ...

True Great for PVE, But wont you like to squash does annoying bugs that doesnt die fast and eat up your life, like HME, the longer it take the more health is lost so
i like kenny and i will put him in beast mode t1 and his attk power would be times 2 of my very best so i can brk tru tanky vanguard and one shot assaulter that is if  byakuya hasnt finished  them off.
No Matter How Strong you are and good your Defense If i brk your vanguard in round1 you are done...

author: [email protected]    time: 2015-10-15 09:55:34

I got One Battle Report i wanna show you, just looking for where it is...
This would take a while...
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-15 10:09:38

Dotiie replied at 2015-10-15 06:45
i think ppl dont see the point, with senbon its hard to have a decent good supp,would u rather put ...

lol just get byakuya ... you'll see why when you start modifying and evolving him ...
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-15 10:11:45

[email protected] replied at 2015-10-15 06:51
You can get Aizen but...
Personally SWP is Beta and you can then get his Upgrade Form which is Be ...

thta's not true the endgame should be : shinso(CSB) - BYA-YAMA-MAIN-DEMON

WITH TENSA with bya giving extra turn to yama
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-10-15 10:16:26

SeiryuSky replied at 2015-10-15 10:11
thta's not true the endgame should be : shinso(CSB) - BYA-YAMA-MAIN-DEMON

WITH TENSA with bya giv ...

hmmmm.... Bya is beta than Yama, Main is AOE, Bya is AOE, kenny is tank Buster, what else do you need?
and Aizen can be helpful so?
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-10-15 10:17:39

[email protected] replied at 2015-10-15 10:16
hmmmm.... Bya is beta than Yama, Main is AOE, Bya is AOE, kenny is tank Buster, what else do you n ...

if you get Stuck with a BAD as Stark and you cant KO him within two rounds then you are fucked, cuz he wuld keep regen and cutting your life... All your Teams Life.
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-15 10:18:30

[email protected] replied at 2015-10-15 10:16
hmmmm.... Bya is beta than Yama, Main is AOE, Bya is AOE, kenny is tank Buster, what else do you n ...

kenny is bugges for pvp you're still low level so you dun know importance of speed when you reach my level of rivalary you'll know why i putted yama with bya it's not like you can one shot ppl because you have all team AOE you'll see with time ( it's about efficacity not only target)
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-10-15 10:19:05

[email protected] replied at 2015-10-15 10:17
if you get Stuck with a BAD as Stark and you cant KO him within two rounds then you are fucked, cu ...

I have even seen Visored Ichigo Mess up that kinda formation, so best to get a tank buster
author: theguyinblack    time: 2015-10-15 10:20:55

[email protected] replied at 2015-10-15 15:19
I have even seen Visored Ichigo Mess up that kinda formation, so best to get a tank buster

well since his Isshin and Yamma do almost all the work i guess there's no harm in using the 5th skill
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-10-15 10:21:32

Edited by [email protected] at 2015-10-15 10:22

I cant Find the Video... Deem. well, in the Battle Report there where two Kenny on a Team Tavern and CSB the CSB t1 One Shot the Tank and the tavern t1 One Shot the assaulter  the main took care of the rest...
Edit: In 1 Round T1, would have still ended in 2round without t1 so...  

author: [email protected]    time: 2015-10-15 10:24:47

theguyinblack replied at 2015-10-15 10:20
well since his Isshin and Yamma do almost all the work i guess there's no harm in using the 5th sk ...

True, Hmmmm i totally forgot abt that one...
author: [email protected]    time: 2015-10-15 10:25:22

Bt why am trying to get my point across is if he truely wants brute force thats Pure Brute Force...
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-10-15 10:31:42

SeiryuSky replied at 2015-10-15 10:11
thta's not true the endgame should be : shinso(CSB) - BYA-YAMA-MAIN-DEMON

WITH TENSA with bya giv ...

You would have to use Senbon if you wanted to us Bya. The entire point of using Byakuya would be to debuff+Zan buff before the opponent gets a chance to go, increasing the chances of going Bya into Yama and just destroying.

Using Tensa, you get a 4% higher initial speed on Bya ( Which can be important ), But you lose 6% Speed on your second fastest character. In the case of using Tensa, it makes more sense to use a more damaging character like Mugetsu or WIchigo who will do more with the initial hit then Byakuya would.

WIchigo is the current fastest assaulter in the game. (.1 agil less the Mugetsu, but 12% speed bond vs 9% speed mod on mugetsu ). He is also the tankiest ( 10% Def mod, and -15% damage debuff on skill ). Using him with Senbon might be the sexiest thing in the game. You don't get the Attack buff, but having -15% damage debuff, +25% Def, +10% def mod, with him skilling first 99.9% of the time with Yama Tier 4 Mod? Hot.

I would say my Endgame would be:

Senbon
Tavern Unohana - WIchigo-Yama-Main-Demon

With using Senbon you really can't care that much about Supports, so having a 150% heal on death will go quite a long way with WIchigo's absurd tankiness. Could also go Barragan for the DOT or Nel for the Dodge buff, literally anything that even if it gets one shot ( which it probably will since your using senbon ) it will still have some effect on the outcome.
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-15 10:37:55

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-15 10:31
You would have to use Senbon if you wanted to us Bya. The entire point of using Byakuya would be t ...

talking if he wants to make CSB FASTEST OR SHINSO (SO HE GIVE T1 ) otherwise ... SENBON FTW ( i use senbon )

nope mugetsu still faster (tested)

tavern unohana ... for the seek of god? bro ....
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-10-15 10:56:08

SeiryuSky replied at 2015-10-15 10:37
talking if he wants to make CSB FASTEST OR SHINSO (SO HE GIVE T1 ) otherwise ... SENBON FTW ( i us ...

Mugetsu cannot be faster. There is no possible way that .1 agility per level out performs 3% extra speed. That is just.... not how math works.

Let's be generous and say that .1 agility amounts to 10 agility per level. Level 100 would be 1000 agility. 6 Level 12 stones is 270% agility + Passive is 288% agility. That is a total of 3880 speed. Add in speed bonus ( 21% Zanpakuto, 10% Yama, 9% Passive ) means that .1 Agility is worth 5432 total speed at level 100.

That means anything past 180k speed, WIchigo's speed bonus of 3% is more valuable then the .1 agility increase. Realistically, it is actually lower since speed is a final modifier, and all your flat speed boosts also get factored in to speed% but not agility%, but 180k is close enough.
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-15 11:08:04

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-15 10:56
Mugetsu cannot be faster. There is no possible way that .1 agility per level out performs 3% extra  ...

its not how maths work its how this game works...
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-15 11:08:43

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-15 10:56
Mugetsu cannot be faster. There is no possible way that .1 agility per level out performs 3% extra  ...

lollllllllll its base stats that give you the amount you gain per level not the normal stats
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-10-15 11:26:39

SeiryuSky replied at 2015-10-15 11:08
lollllllllll its base stats that give you the amount you gain per level not the normal stats

Are you implying that base stats are the only thing that factors into level gain stats? Cause if that is the case:

1: What do you think Growth Rate does?
2: Why isn't Shinigami Kensei the fastest Assaulter in the game then ( 2500 base vs Mugetsu's 2200).
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-15 11:28:31

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-15 11:26
Are you implying that base stats are the only thing that factors into level gain stats? Cause if t ...

cz his stats are lower stats determine agility difference but not per level the amount you get per level is the base stats
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-10-15 11:31:26

SeiryuSky replied at 2015-10-15 11:28
cz his stats are lower stats determine agility difference but not per level the amount you get per ...

1: You ignored the first question. What do you think Growth rate does?
2: Kenseis stats are higher then Mugetsus.
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-15 11:33:07

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-15 11:31
1: You ignored the first question. What do you think Growth rate does?
2: Kenseis stats are higher ...

1/ STILL UNKNOWN

2/ THEN KENSEI IS FASTER (NOTE THAT MUGETSU HAVE SPEED MOD SO IT NEEDS CALCULATION)

P.S : WHY NOT GODDAMN LEAVE THOSE REPLIES AND LEAVE YOUR OPINION FOR YOURSELF ?
author: ryujikun18    time: 2015-10-15 11:57:49

SeiryuSky replied at 2015-10-15 11:33
1/ STILL UNKNOWN

2/ THEN KENSEI IS FASTER (NOTE THAT MUGETSU HAVE SPEED MOD SO IT NEEDS CALCULATI ...

how much better is csb kenny better then tavern kenny ?
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-10-15 12:00:53

SeiryuSky replied at 2015-10-15 11:33
1/ STILL UNKNOWN

2/ THEN KENSEI IS FASTER (NOTE THAT MUGETSU HAVE SPEED MOD SO IT NEEDS CALCULATI ...

You mad bro?

The point is, no matter if its based of growth rate, or just your base stats, WIchigo is faster then Mugetsu. There is only 100 agility difference in base stats, and if you really think it is base stats based, that extra 100 agility on Mugetsu is less then the 3% Speed WIchigo gets over Mugetsu.  In both examples, WIchigo is straight up faster then Mugetsu when all things are equal ( Though barely ).
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-15 12:02:42

ryujikun18 replied at 2015-10-15 11:57
how much better is csb kenny better then tavern kenny ?

oh that's a whole different level there , in all basically , CSB ken decrease break defense and have 350% skill growth add his higher growth rates and insane mods with 30 fury regain on critic ( 20 if normal ) and having great stats overall and evo +bond+mods he's just too much better
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-15 12:03:44

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-15 12:00
You mad bro?

The point is, no matter if its based of growth rate, or just your base stats, WIchig ...

the point is bro i am not saying your maths is wrong i am saying most things on this games are not accurate ( which means even % may be calculated wrongly or setted up wrongly same as talent compared to N )
author: ryujikun18    time: 2015-10-15 12:04:29

SeiryuSky replied at 2015-10-15 12:02
oh that's a whole different level there , in all basically , CSB ken decrease break defense and ha ...

damm i might get him i have 3700 challenge stones but my tavern kenny is fully modded and csb and swp partners take forever to mod
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-15 12:05:24

ryujikun18 replied at 2015-10-15 12:04
damm i might get him i have 3700 challenge stones but my tavern kenny is fully modded and csb and  ...

EVEN THERE csb still better
author: ryujikun18    time: 2015-10-15 12:06:28

SeiryuSky replied at 2015-10-15 12:05
EVEN THERE csb still better

but is he worth it more then csb bya tho
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-10-15 12:07:43

Edited by Aristeaus at 2015-10-15 12:09
SeiryuSky replied at 2015-10-15 12:03
the point is bro i am not saying your maths is wrong i am saying most things on this games are not ...

Well, how did you test WIchigo vs Mugetsu's speed? You casually mentioned it once, but you have seemed to forgotten that point.

Do you own both of them? Do they have the same level/evo/gear? How much speed difference was it? How much raw agility do they gain a level? etc.
In either case, I do believe most of the things you say. You are one of the few people who realize just how good Yama is for that Tier 4 Mod.
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-15 12:07:54

ryujikun18 replied at 2015-10-15 12:06
but is he worth it more then csb bya tho

depends on your needs , partners you have and vip level
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-15 12:11:23

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-15 12:07
Well, how did you test WIchigo vs Mugetsu's speed? You casually mentioned it once, but you have se ...

yes i do i basically have every even partner except : kensei , B.rukia , demon , TSI , ryuken and yes same level + gear +evo it wasn't a really big difference though ( i have the bond of wichi maxed since i used him for a while before mugetsu , i remember it was a matter of 4k speed difference no big deal and for how much agility per level they get will test it when i level them up din pay attention to it
author: ryujikun18    time: 2015-10-15 12:14:12

SeiryuSky replied at 2015-10-15 12:07
depends on your needs , partners you have and vip level

im vip9 and lvl115 im saving for swp aizen as well though my pve team is tavern kisuke kenny rukia ikkaku but i been using my pvp team and i get same amount of stuff lols swp upgraded ulqiorria tavern hollow ichigo aizen gin
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-10-15 12:18:52

SeiryuSky replied at 2015-10-15 12:11
yes i do i basically have every even partner except : kensei , B.rukia , demon , TSI , ryuken and  ...

Interesting. That is such a small amount of difference, I wonder if Mugetsu gets slightly more speed from EVO then WIchigo. That would probably account for the difference.

I also assume you are well above 180k speed :-P
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-15 12:46:10

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-15 12:18
Interesting. That is such a small amount of difference, I wonder if Mugetsu gets slightly more spe ...

yup mugetsu basically gets exactly 3,879 more speed in evo
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-15 12:47:06

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-15 12:18
Interesting. That is such a small amount of difference, I wonder if Mugetsu gets slightly more spe ...

i am at 406k XD
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-15 12:47:37

ryujikun18 replied at 2015-10-15 12:14
im vip9 and lvl115 im saving for swp aizen as well though my pve team is tavern kisuke kenny rukia ...

oh gin it seem i wouls like to see hiw much your dmg will go up when you get CSB then O.O
author: ryujikun18    time: 2015-10-15 12:53:02

SeiryuSky replied at 2015-10-15 12:47
oh gin it seem i wouls like to see hiw much your dmg will go up when you get CSB then O.O

idk but he sucks just like aizen in es and ryoka but my main and ulqi and ichi fuk em though
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-15 12:56:43

ryujikun18 replied at 2015-10-15 12:53
idk but he sucks just like aizen in es and ryoka but my main and ulqi and ichi fuk em though

lol talkin in PVE >>> CSB KEN
author: Dotiie    time: 2015-10-15 12:58:27

Edited by Dotiie at 2015-10-15 18:00
[email protected] replied at 2015-10-15 15:16
hmmmm.... Bya is beta than Yama, Main is AOE, Bya is AOE, kenny is tank Buster, what else do you n ...

in dmg, yama throw byakuya away like trash, yama evo and mods are focused on heavy dmg, and preventing someone to get hp and fury at same time while is getting dmg over time
author: ryujikun18    time: 2015-10-15 13:00:52

SeiryuSky replied at 2015-10-15 12:56
lol talkin in PVE >>> CSB KEN

ohh ok lols
author: Dotiie    time: 2015-10-15 13:09:20

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-15 17:07
Well, how did you test WIchigo vs Mugetsu's speed? You casually mentioned it once, but you have see ...

im the only person who see maniac blade in yama's 4th mod?
author: SeiryuSky    time: 2015-10-15 13:13:30

Dotiie replied at 2015-10-15 13:09
im the only person who see maniac blade in yama's 4th mod?

LOL             
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-10-15 13:19:39

Dotiie replied at 2015-10-15 13:09
im the only person who see maniac blade in yama's 4th mod?

You are the only person who doesn't know what that means. :-P
author: Dotiie    time: 2015-10-15 13:24:24

Edited by Dotiie at 2015-10-15 18:27
Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-15 18:19
You are the only person who doesn't know what that means. :-P

looks like u dont know, cuz maniac blades are vanguards and u are saying dat it give boost to as.saulters
author: Aristeaus    time: 2015-10-15 13:34:40

Dotiie replied at 2015-10-15 13:24
looks like u dont know, cuz maniac blades are vanguards and u are saying dat it give boost to as.sa ...

At some point I will probably feel bad for you and explain how you are horribly wrong.

But for now, I am just going to keep laughing.
author: Dotiie    time: 2015-10-15 13:41:46

Edited by Dotiie at 2015-10-15 18:44
Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-15 18:34
At some point I will probably feel bad for you and explain how you are horribly wrong.

But for no ...

ok, so explain it to me, how a as.saulter is a maniac blade, just go to tavern and check every vg u know, in role it will always say manic blade, while assaulters say ghost blade (or spirit blade)

ps yama's mod talk about only 1 char . but ofc im the stupid person here




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