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author: meekrat time: 2015-7-4 00:31:12 Title: Golden Enchant Stone - QUESTION !!

Ok, so I know golden enchant stones were introduced in the last event, however, this is the first event where I could actually read what their abilities are...and my oh my do I have a few questions.

So the stones offer Stun Immunity, Silent Immunity, Crit Hit, Stun, Silent, as the enchant effects.  So I have a few questions concerning those...

I feel as if the Immunity ones are pretty self-explanatory, they make the partner wearing that weapon immune to either stuns or silence effects.  I am 'assuming' that the silent/stun effects mean when the partner attacking with that weapon, they have a chance to land a silence or stun effect on their opponent.  Assuming that assumption is right, if you applied one of these effects to your main's weapon, and loaded the 10 skill ... would your main now have a chance to silence and/or stun the entire enemy team?  I would assume so, although I would imagine it would calculate the % of landing the effect with each partner he hit, similar to how it calculates critical hits (its possible to crit on a hit all ability, but only crit a few partners).

If that assumption is right, I would assume this item would now become one of the biggest game changers out there.  If you could give your main the chance ability to stun all or silent all, would bring whole new power level to a T1 main who is faster then your opponent.

Final, minor question, what is the Crit Hit?  Is it just a increased chance to critically hit?

I would sincerely appreciate some feedback, ideally from someone who buys a stone and can test.  I'm curious how evenly the chances are distributed in getting different effects, like is one effect more rare to get then another.  Seems pretty OP to me!

author: adventurethis time: 2015-7-4 00:41:14

I would imagine that the stun/silent only works on the person you directly attack, even if you use 10th skill...otherwise it would be too strong

Crit hit damage is simply 20% more damage done when you crit hit someone, so instead of critting someone for 100k you crit them for 120k

author: [email protected] time: 2015-7-4 01:13:33

adventurethis replied at 2015-7-4 13:41
I would imagine that the stun/silent only works on the person you directly attack, even if you use 1 ...

meaning instead of counting crit dmg as 150% total you get 160/170% of it

author: meekrat time: 2015-7-4 12:48:01

adventurethis replied at 2015-7-4 00:41
I would imagine that the stun/silent only works on the person you directly attack, even if you use 1 ...

Well the thing is, for the 10th skill, the person you are attacking directly is everyone.

In reality, there is no partner in the game that attacks anyone but the VG, it is their skills that allow them to attack other partners.

And you say "otherwise it would be too strong"....you're giving gogogames a little bit too much credit there to not underestimate their ability to suck at balance.

Is the Crit Hit Damage a confirmed thing? The effect says on the item "Crit Hit", which normally refers to Critical Hit Chance, Critical Hit Damage is a completely separate stat in this game. I'm well aware of what both stats mean/do, I'm trying to clarify if the enchant increases the partners chance to critical hit, or increases the amount of damage the partner does when they do critical hit, or if it does something else different entirely.

I would appreciate some additional posts/feedback.

author: Uciffer4 time: 2015-7-4 13:28:34

Im pretty sure silent - stun chances stacks with atacks which stunes or silents enemy, not to normal atacks, but its just my assumption.

author: meekrat time: 2015-7-4 13:52:03

Uciffer4 replied at 2015-7-4 13:28
Im pretty sure silent - stun chances stacks with atacks which stunes or silents enemy, not to normal ...

That raises an entirely different question actually...

I don't necessarily agree with your assumption, I think these stones are meant to give other partners the ability to stun/silent enemies. However, if you give a enchanted weapon to someone who already has that skill, does it add a stacked % to their % to land their stun, or does it attempt to stun twice (once from skill, again from enchant).

Also, one supporting factor that I think your assumption is wrong is Silence is not a % base skill, unlike stun. So why would you give an additional chance to silence someone, to someone who already can silence, when the skill is 100% chance to land (even if you miss the attack, silence still lands). So I am fairly certain this enchant does not only add to an increase chance for a partner who can already stun/silence.

author: Uciffer4 time: 2015-7-4 13:55:36

meekrat replied at 2015-7-4 13:52
That raises an entirely different question actually...

I don't necessarily agree with your assump ...

Because now there are stones which lower the % of silence, so now % matters in silent, but you are right to think it might be a way to make every partner stun-silent the enemy. That stone is kinda weird haha.

author: meekrat time: 2015-7-4 14:42:53

Uciffer4 replied at 2015-7-4 13:55
Because now there are stones which lower the % of silence, so now % matters in silent, but you are ...

What stones lower the chance to be silenced? Or are you referring to the Golden Enchant of Silence Immunity?

I agree, the stone is weird indeed, which is why I am highly interested in getting some confirmed data. If this does indeed allow a character to stun/silence all, that will have a HUGE impact on things. Imagine getting CSB Byakuya and putting on a stun all, it would defeat the purpose of getting CSB Aizen who takes x2 as a long and would suck compared to a CSB Byakuya who can stun all at a higher dmg rate + debuff + combo buff, and this is just one minor example, even better example would be the taven Byakuya which would allow really low VIP players a chance to get a stun all or silence all partner...or imagine your main, or even a VG like Starrk with the ability to stun all.

Clarification of this enchant stone could be a game changer, but I would assume if it could make anyone stun/silence all who has a attack all ability, we would have heard about this from CN or Indo by now of how super OP it is. We'll see.

Plz someone go buy the stone and test =P

author: Uciffer4 time: 2015-7-4 14:57:09

meekrat replied at 2015-7-4 14:42
What stones lower the chance to be silenced? Or are you referring to the Golden Enchant of Silenc ...

Well i have a different point of view, i think those partners who can stun enemys like CSB aizen or shinso gin now worth a lot more because they will stun a lot more than before.

author: meekrat time: 2015-7-4 15:00:52

Uciffer4 replied at 2015-7-4 14:57
Well i have a different point of view, i think those partners who can stun enemys like CSB aizen o ...

Well, that point of view still aligns with my overall point of view - that these stones can potentially be a huge game changer in formation strategy. Whether it will allow new partners to do stun/silence alls, or further enchance partners who can already stun all - it will have a big impact on end-game strategy, in my opinion....but again, depending on how these work exactly.

author: MikkyX time: 2015-7-5 02:01:27

What I'd like to know if the stun immunity enchant completely protects you from been stunned. If my main for example had this, would he not get stunned if the enemy had for example gin?

author: meekrat time: 2015-7-5 13:47:17

Edited by meekrat at 2015-7-5 13:48

MikkyX replied at 2015-7-5 02:01
What I'd like to know if the stun immunity enchant completely protects you from been stunned. If my ...

I am 99% positive that is correct about the Stun Immunity. It is a pretty straight forward skill, and it already exists in some partner modifications, "Immune to Stun" / "Immune to Silence" etc.

#@# I would still like someone to confirm the Attack all + weapon enchant of stun or silence #@#

author: MikkyX time: 2015-7-5 14:29:50

meekrat replied at 2015-7-5 13:47
I am 99% positive that is correct about the Stun Immunity. It is a pretty straight forward skill, ...

I ask because in panthera grimmjow's second mod his is 20% stun immunity, which gives me the impression that it's a percentage boost. So I'd assume that the golden enchant stone gives you a percentage immunity boost, and not a full 100% immunity from it, though I may be wrong.

author: MikkyX time: 2015-7-5 14:30:59

meekrat replied at 2015-7-5 13:47
I am 99% positive that is correct about the Stun Immunity. It is a pretty straight forward skill, ...

You're totally right, the attack all + enchant stun or silence would be op. I guess nobody has tried it then

author: Monolith time: 2015-7-5 15:23:55

meekrat replied at 2015-7-5 13:47
I am 99% positive that is correct about the Stun Immunity. It is a pretty straight forward skill, ...

I have got a question... If you come to the forums, do you only read your own threads? Or do you also read threads which are about the same topic? Cause if you do, how could you miss that one? http://forums.gogames.me/thread-18887-1-1.html As you can see, someone has already stated that the enchant is 8% cc immunity not 100%.
And if you dont read others threads, even if they are related to your topic, I think you should start doing that, because you could draw some valuable information out of them.

Regarding your other question about the attack... Since the immunity is 8%, I would assume that it is also 8% (or atleast close to that number) stun/silence chance increase for those enchants. It just adds to the already existing stun chance if your partners skill actually has the chance to stun/silence someone. I doubt it will just magically give any attack you do a 100% chance to stun or silence your opponent.

But as I said, its just an assumption here... But seeing that 8% immune chance... I think its a reasonable one.

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