Where does Ginjo fall within this tier ranking? Was thinking of buying him Dragon Boat Festival and then getting and spending another 10k points to recruit BWB. Should I just spend all my gold, skip out on Ginjo, and get BWB and a different character?
Edited by XSuperSaiyanX at 2018-6-8 00:50
hashwalth is better imo and bwb is not the best partner in the game, any team with high tankiness negates him.plus if im not mistaken raijin and b uarahara are barely faster than toshiro.but its still all my opinion.
Edited by SolKnight at 2018-6-8 05:03
XSuperSaiyanX replied at 2018-6-8 00:07 static/image/common/back.gif
hashwalth is better imo and bwb is not the best partner in the game, any team with high tankiness ne ...
the reason for putting BWB up so high was just how impact full he can be to a team as a whole with or without assaulter those for without part he does need his EX skill to be the most effective doe.
Rn ingame as it stands there is not one single Drawback in using BWB some partner have no fury deduct immunity,lackluster stats compare to other,low skill growth,weak exclusive or normal skill,Bad mods and so on but as he Stands he is very good a fact why people will disagree with BWB placement is by considering him being the only partner in formation which he never will be any case.
Consider it this way Muken alone is a godly assaulter with BWB he can be an unstoppable monster and take for example Tavern byak alone he is frankly shit simple as that but even BWB can raise him to level of partners like Koga and yhwach alone and maybe even further given the scenario.
And unlike how some people this he can actually hit very hard 200% GR skill with what is the best wisdom attack char possible for supports is strong and seeing as the meta is assaulter centric and they have weaker kido def they gain some advantage again as well.
As for Hach yes i agree he is very good and this list does not say he is bad at all the difference between chars from S-SSS+ is situational and just stands with usually a small difference so dont think to much of it.
As for STDs speed issue lets see 30% Agility from talent,10% speed from bonds,10% from mods and he has a 10% speed decrease halo so thats an added for the whole team you get about=60% boost if you want + a better base stat that the fastest B urehara of the competitors(yes he is faster than raijin) who has 30% Agi from talent,30% speed from mods and 12% from so a 72% boost so yeah B urehara can stand to be a bit faster but it depends on how much the base stat effects the value in which case STD can win but boost wise urehara does win.
Hope that answered some questions and if i failed to to explain something or you probably did not understand please do tell me so i can try it in a better way and its alright to have your own opinions thats what makes discussions more interesting.
Edit:One more thing about blood war byak as far as boosting supports the number of things he does is absurd as he gives fury,shield,attack,heal,speed and block and if you know how shield works you will know how broken that shit is.
jimmycricketwin5298 replied at 2018-6-7 23:00 static/image/common/back.gif
Where does Ginjo fall within this tier ranking? Was thinking of buying him Dragon Boat Festival and ...
Can not say with a 100% Certainty right since he is not out yet so can not give a first hand experience.
But from what i can see from stats and mods he is defo better than valk and kukkaku and the strongest van in game so i say S or SS tier by the and a SS-SSS with Askin Death mod to boost him up.
IF you are going for Dragon boat he is not a bad investment and a good partner overall even BWB is not wasted with a van in formation since Aoe Exists,he gives a monsters number of boosts beside block so yeah a good investment.Do remember to put a good assaulter in formation(Muken/HVI) to get the most out of byak.
SolKnight replied at 2018-6-8 03:59 static/image/common/back.gif
Can not say with a 100% Certainty right since he is not out yet so can not give a first hand exper ...
Yeah I've got a major stacked Muken right now and have been saving stones and other materials for a new partner. BWB alone is gonna make my Muken skyrocket to hell. He's already tanky enough to survive 1 turn of void without any buffs, and enough damage to 1 shot anyone no matter if they have a shield or RJ/Gerard defense buff. I just need BWB to secure it even more, and Ginjo to help with some more void tankiness. But yeah, all I really wanted to know if he was the best VG, and seems like it, so I guess I'mma pick Ginjo and BWB on Dragon Boat
Edited by XSuperSaiyanX at 2018-6-8 22:37
SolKnight replied at 2018-6-8 04:49 static/image/common/back.gif
the reason for putting BWB up so high was just how impact full he can be to a team as a whole with ...
oh i enjoy friendly banter a lot xP
about bwb i agree he gives an insane amount of utility,like no other and thats why i really like him.all around hes the most complete/loaded partner and you could easily just build a whole formation just around him. shields are awesome for the debuffs and cc although everyone runs ks at this point which you can count on more, plus if i remember right and please someone correct me if im wrong(by error in programming and never bothering to change it) shields get all their stats from physical dmg.IF he gave flat def instead of block id say that he d be the best partner in the game by far no questions asked and i would already had him on my team. i get the block-break def combo but i feel flat def is more important and in insane amounts could negate any dmg input which also covers your whole teams weaknesses,makes assaulters tanking kido atks and supps tanking physical more effectively..so in the end he JUST falls short for my preferences and strategy/synergy. yes his skill growth is high(although we have sups with much higher like buzz b or shunsui),so im still not convinced especially in an assaulter meta where all the dmg comes from them.i dont expect the sups to deal that much honestly.if i could run a 3rd sup for my formation id def put him in,and maybe i will depending how the game evolves.
Speed wise i see it like this
BWB is in a tier of his own(will probably be joined by Ginjo) because you would need multiple partners using skills and passives to bring what just he does. 100 fury, 70% block, 50% attack, 40% speed and gives a shield. He also heals team when he is hit. He also has the best HP bond compared to the other recent supporters, he has 24%, BShunsui 19.2%, Askin 15% and Kokuto 10%.
Block is straight damage reduction and damage returned to attacker. Until I retired Mayuri, the only damage he took was from ignite and mutilate since he blocked everything. If they ever make a partner with immunity to mutilate, and fury restriction with as high of block as Mayuri could reach, he would be immortal. If you add high to decent attack on top of that, he wouldn't need any other partners in formation either.
XSuperSaiyanX replied at 2018-6-8 22:14 static/image/common/back.gif
oh i enjoy friendly banter a lot xP
about bwb i agree he gives an insane amount of utility,like n ...
Like Mayuri said Block is actually better than a defense buff since no partner outright has the ability to reach high enough of it to bypass it and that is an 80% damage reduction hence why just removing block from void allowed people to one shot it much more easily than before as so yeah the rest of the argument remains same.
and Raijin is still not faster due to Agility. Having a better agility than speed is an advantage since it gives a superior boost than flat out speed boost an easy way to say it will be like 1% of agility boost is equal to 2% of speed boost and having a slightly better speed stat.
i would put noza at A grade or even in A+ if you combo him with hyorin. his big flaw is that he is abit squice if you dont build him right other than that if you cant afort the god tier vanguards or you are the type o person who wants to build a wall i think he is good for pvp and pve. other than that i agree in the most of the cases . but you should always consider that power lvl the others play..
if you are around 2mil or 4 mil bp noza is a god
for me is what can you pay for the game. if you cant afort to spend dosens of dollars for pixels xD and you are a regular vip5 or 6 . ultima and noza are the gods for you