Grwoth

Aratron

Till this very day i have no idea how the growth works. Can someone bring some clarity to me.

Starting stats and growth how it works.

I think I know how the growth works after some experiments.

+round[Lvl x (1+(growth/100))] per level - doesn't work that way

15mdr02

As of now, I don't believe there is anyone who knows how the coding of this feature is designed.  I have been doing a little bit of research on this but I still have a lot of samples that I need and a lot more time before I could offer any suggestions

Potdenutella

(>+round[Lvl x1+(growth/100)]
Replace the +(growth/100) by *1.00XX (XX being the growth rate, let's say the partner have a growth of 7.5 just type *1.0075), shortcut the time it takes you to make a formula)

Nobody ? Guess I'll bite, I swear there are only around 5 mathematicians in this forum of hundreds of people...
I am bad at explaining but I will try, so sit down, take a cup of coffee or tea, listen to your favorite comfy music in a closed room and read carefully...


How do the Base Stats work ?

Many people says that if a partner has a base stat of 7000 STA he will start with 7000 STA, many says the base is only used for the growth rate etc... There are dozen of theories but none of them are true. In fact the base stat you see in the game and wiki is not the base but a multiplier. A multiplier of what you may ask ? Of coefficient, each class (Vanguard; Assaulter; Support) have different coefficients, for example a support has a higher coefficient of Wisdom than an assaulter, that's naturally logic.
Those are the coefficients for each class :


(From the top to bottom : STA; AGI; STR; WIS)
You may notice the numbers in brackets, unfortunately I couldn't exactly tell what are those, it's like a tumor in an human body... Let's just call it the "root" or whatever if you have a better name.The calculation is pretty simple, anyone with even an IQ of -5 can do it : ((Coef * Multip) + Root) = Base stat.
To make it easier, let's pick Handsome Toshiro, a red assaulter with 6000 STA as multiplier : ((2.6 * 6000) + 2048) = 17648. At level 1 Handsome Toshiro starts with 17648 of stamina.
Worry not I did not forget the talent, just calculate the base stat by the % from talent (let's say if he had 20% STA, 17648 * 1.2 = 21178 stamina).

Those are the partners with the stats at level 1, with the multiplier, growth and talent at the right, if you want to play around with the base stats (normal stats, no reiatsu).



What's so useful to know how the base stats work is that you can predict the stats of the future partners (Riruka) and confirm the value of the talent (It was stated for Raijin to have a talent of 25% or 35% AGI on the wiki but that didn't match the result I got so she has 30%, like Kokuto... It's probably a copypaste or typo from a wiki user, but it still can happen to have that kind of wrong value).

That's all about the base stats, you may wonder if you should say "multiplier" instead of "base" from now on but believe me those are just names and they are meaningless, a mathematician calls them whatever it sounds easy to understand for them. The forum's norm, or the community, is to continue saying "base" and not "multiplier" to ease the communication with the non-mathematician players. Perharp the appropriate names are : ((Multip * Base) + Root) = Starter stat. It's just that "coefficient" sounded cooler than "multiplier" to me lol


How does the Growth Rate work ?

Sorry to disappoint you but I don't know much, the closest formula for the growth is :
Level 1 : Stat 1 * Growth Rate = Stat 2
Level 2 : S2 * GR = S3
Level 3 : S3 * GR = S4
And so on... However it didn't seem linear, you have to add an extra value on some level and find the pattern, like :
Level 1 : S1 * GR = S2                               Level 1 : S1 * GR = S2
Level 2 : (S2 + 1) * GR = S3                      Level 2 : (S2 * GR) + 1 = S3
Level 3 : S3 * GR = S4                   or         Level 3 : S3 * GR = S4
Level 4 : (S4 + 1) * GR = S5                      Level 4 : (S4 * GR) + 1 = S5

And of course you may need to find the coefficient, AKA the Stat 0 at level 0 (similar to some religion crap "What existed before the atoms, the universes ? Was there only void ? God created them all" kind of) in order to get the Stat 1 and start your math.
Here is the gain of stats at each level (yet looks crappy) with the difference between the two partners in the middle, if you want to play again, though it is easier to calculate with your own level 1 partner if you have one.



* The Growth Rate has no relation with the Base Stats
* The Growth Rate is affected by the talent (?)

Aratron

Potdenutella replied at 2018-9-29 12:53
(>+round[Lvl x (1+(growth/100))]
Replace the +(growth/100) by *1.00XX (XX being the growth rate, let's  ...

Well, I think I'm good at maths for a nuclear engineer... so don't worry...

That is phenomenal research I just don't want to invest so much time to check all this...

BIG THANKS.. ofc I'll check the validity of what you've said... :

jackthehorn

In basic terms if you want to learn easy way. See the tavern gold partners. Turning red partners (not actually) with the red reshi results updated base rates. And not so changed growth rate.
If you can differentiate that you will understand easily. As if the growth changed then they will be become new partners since dmg to def, and att to counter all changes with that.

Aratron

jackthehorn replied at 2018-9-29 14:13
In basic terms if you want to learn easy way. See the tavern gold partners. Turning red partners (no ...

I'm gonna do few experiments with Yoruichi from tavern she is gold now I'll level her up a little then I'll make her red and do that again... and will search some patterns...

Zento-Hazashi

Aratron replied at 2018-9-29 11:50
Well, I think I'm good at maths for a nuclear engineer...  so don't worry...

That is phenomenal  ...

it's not valid if you find out Gold partners are worse than Red partners

Exalyn

I did some experiment too, just a few nothing more.
The stat gain from a lvl to another is lvl AND growth rate related.
I picked the exemple between 2 chars with 0.5 growth rate difference, at same growth lvl (around 54 / 55) one gained like 17 agility more.
I also think there is another coefficient in there, maybe the one Pot highlighted there, difference between assaulters and supports idk.

Aratron

There is no logic what so ever up till now -Tavern Yoruichi

average growth per level        str:1,48%  agi:1,56%   wis:1,59%   stamina:1,49%
After becoming red  per level  str:1,81%  agi:1,88%   wis:1,89%   stamina:1,79%

Her stats, in general, had equal growth 32% after becoming red.

let's forget about her base stats and work with growth how and why?
from this  2,5  2,6  2,7  2,5 we double it as growth and get 0,32% growth per level up + to the previous

No logic at all previous stats*growth doesn't work even in growth/1000


We should all forget about the data they feed us. Take a few characters to level them up from lvl 1 to 100 and do our work on forging a formula

MylarHyrule

Aratron replied at 2018-9-29 08:24
There is no logic what so ever up till now -Tavern Yoruichi

average growth per level        str:1,4 ...

no good either... don't forget about many other bonuses your peeps get...    I know I've seen many level 1 gold toshis with nothing on them over 30k BP...  same story with D Rukias, Shinji, ect...  hell, at this point, my Shura has nearly the BP he had when in my team, and hes got nothing on but an unleveled Aquaria set of gear...

On a side note, I'm seriously considering dropping my TSI for Shura again...  I prob won't do it, but the want is real, lol