Isshin Endgame

MikkyX

concueror replied at 2015-9-4 02:54
Ultima Aizen much better

Definately but I'm vip4.  To get ultima aizen might take a year or more.  

MikkyX

Suzuken replied at 2015-9-4 07:21
check this battle report and judge for your self
http://logineu.gogames.me/fightreport/?rid=5708482 ...

I thought you said your name was suzuken, in avatar, lol.  IN any case, the thing about isshin that i don't really like is that you have to make him faster than main.  That costs me a bit of trouble, because I usually give good speed to my main so he can take out asaulters in one hit.  

So the key to isshin as I'm seeing is trying to make him fast, very fast, even faster than enemy, which to me is kinda tough, since normally for me the priority is to make my supporters faster.  Though with the right speeds, he can definately be a game changer.

Suzuken

MikkyX replied at 2015-9-4 22:30
I thought you said your name was suzuken, in avatar, lol.  IN any case, the thing about isshin tha ...

that's not me xD it's a battle report i found in a thread " ~*interesting battle reports*~ "
anyway like you saw he can shut down all assaulter when he attacks like with 100% success rate that what makes him great so you don't need to have your main faster you just need a good support "Aizen,yoriuchi,shini urahara" to shut down enemy support and then you can just sit tight while drinking coffee and watching your assaulter smacking your opponents like a drum

Zento-Hazashi

MikkyX replied at 2015-9-4 19:30
I thought you said your name was suzuken, in avatar, lol.  IN any case, the thing about isshin tha ...

Forget the fact that he has to be faster than the opponent, that's to everyone on your team isn't it?



If you have 3 assaulters on your team, then Isshin doesn't have to attack first, he can attack second (as long as he's not last) as the combo rate will proc.

The 'speed problem' only occurs when you have 2 assaulters (main and Isshin) which is somewhat hard of course considering your main gets higher growth rates than Isshin, however with 3 assaulters, again, it's fine if he doesn't attack first.

Kosmodestiny

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2015-9-4 14:54
Forget the fact that he has to be faster than the opponent, that's to everyone on your team isn't  ...

Isshin is easily faster than main though since he has an agility talent and main does not. Isshin also gets a lot of speed in his evolution and he has a modify for speed too. So all in all it's extremely easy to make him faster than your main lol

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MikkyX replied at 2015-9-4 20:30
I thought you said your name was suzuken, in avatar, lol.  IN any case, the thing about isshin tha ...

I'm the guy from that clip and at that time I didn't had a lot of speed so my way to counter a t1 main was to tank the hit and then strike back.  As for who strikes 1st, you would always prioritise ishiin> main, since ishiin's combo will let your main use his skill while he'd otherwise have to wait another round.

As long as you aren't facing a person with SWP Aizen and your stun accesories are alright, you don't have to worry about supporters

MikkyX

Suzuken replied at 2015-9-4 14:35
that's not me xD it's a battle report i found in a thread " ~*interesting battle reports*~ "
anywa ...

But you have to make sure he is faster than the enemys main.  Or else they attack and they could deal serious damage to you.  If I can make him take a hit from enemy's main, in case enemy's main is faster, then he'd be deadly, just tank him a hit for him and main to survive.  I try to shut down the main from most enemy's because their last skill does serious damage to my team.  

Been thinking of aizen, though supporters don't do much damage to me, it's the main.  The key is to prevent the assaulters from attacking.  Since I usually can't beat them with speed with my assaulters, I use gin to stun them and then isshin seals the deal.  If they survive main finishes them off with last skill.  That way only enemy supports and vanguard remains, but that's just me.  

Zento-Hazashi

Kosmodestiny replied at 2015-9-4 19:59
Isshin is easily faster than main though since he has an agility talent and main does not. Isshin  ...

ah understandable

i don't really look at Isshin much, just do the fights and get on with it xD

MikkyX

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2015-9-4 14:54
Forget the fact that he has to be faster than the opponent, that's to everyone on your team isn't  ...

I got 2 assaulters, and isshin hits 4th.  The reason why I make my main faster than isshin, is that with gin and my main, 2nd and 3rd respectively, they wipe out enemy's assaulters, which do the most damage to me. If isshin was faster, I'd give the opportunity for supporters and maybe main to attack me, as many guys I've faced have cute orhime and kisuke, or 2 fury givers, so silence wouldn't work on them for 1st turn.  Also, some have t1, so it's same there.  

IN addition, by making main hit 3rd, I can at times, with crits wipe out enemy's supporters.  I know I'm not using isshin fully, but maybe with higher speed stones and hogu, isshin's speed could get close to main's.

moongoatie

MikkyX replied at 2015-9-4 14:21
Definately but I'm vip4.  To get ultima aizen might take a year or more.

You can't get Ultima as you're now, he requires vip6. You can make Isshin faster than main easily enough, hell same gear my main vs Isshin, isshin got about 10k more speeds, tho they both lv127(no mods no evo) Definately an end game for both pve/pvp ;)