Lets make Ryuuken good.

Aristeaus

ajoalex replied at 2015-10-11 20:07
yeah, but then pve say es/ryoka, i wonder if that dodge could actually make him stay for 20 rounds ...

It did a long time ago. They fixed it rather quickly. I remember some Yachiru video floating around.

I'll probably end up restarting tomorrow on #245. Top up 20k will be like 28.5, get free Shini Kensei, bunch of stones from pyramid draws, and probably more stones from Puzzle/or Shini Yoruichi. Can't decide if I want to keep the gold or just T1 Kensei on Day 1 from Treasure Map.

Probably just keep the gold, grab someone else in another event, and slowly work on T1. Not quite sure.

ajoalex

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-12 05:23
It did a long time ago. They fixed it rather quickly. I remember some Yachiru video floating aroun ...

i dt think they fixed it and it wasn't a bug unlike kensei's, the dodge was for real but as you said that chance for ES to hit was high, also yachi wouldn't do any damage so maybe no one tried her. so you telling ryuuken with 300% dodge doesn't stand against the ES, well then i guess nobody else will if not ryuuken.

Probably just keep the gold, grab someone else in another event, and slowly work on T1. Not quite sure.

this is better, no hurry

595459354

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-12 01:09
You are absolutely entitled to your opinion!

I do find it funny that you tell me to check my mat ...

You're correct about the 250%hit - 300%dodge rate. My mistake

Ryuuken has 60% from Mods, 30% passively, 90% from stones, and 30% from skill. Before evolution. Before bond. Before nel. That is 210%.

How are you going to get your skill off if he's so mofo slow. This leaves you at 180dodge (60+30+90).
Now let's assume I got that juicy 250%hit on all my partners.. I wonder what would happen..

When I mentioned Rukia, I was referring to the fact that shes going to skill first in this set up, and before anyone else on the enemy team. This means she is probably going to kill some stuff. Having 300% hit rate on characters she kills won't impact Ryuuken at all, because, well, they would be dead.

Once more what's the point talking about how great Bankai rukia is when you're making a topic to make ryuuken good aka make HIM shine.

Ryuuken has 190% max crit rate.

After he skills..which  won't happen cuz he's slow.

I am trying to figure out where he might fit in.

As for that, it has already been suggested (Make a dodge team and abuse his skill/mods). If you want to throw in a bankai rukia and what not, you said it yourself: SHE KILLS EVERYONE. What's the use of ryuuken there? Might aswell use another partner.


As for shinigami yoruichi raping ryuuken in a 1v1, I was serious. It seems to me that you aren't looking at other partner skills. In a 1v1 all she needs is to crit and get her invulnerability of --> She'll deal damage and won't recieve any besides the 1st hit.

595459354

ajoalex replied at 2015-10-12 01:18
Thats what even i thought, but why does it not work on hma aizen 1v1 for me then, with 280% hit , ...

I did it with 294%hit on Noza

Aristeaus

595459354 replied at 2015-10-12 04:12
You're correct about the 250%hit - 300%dodge rate. My mistake

If you have 250% hit to 180% dodge, that is a 70% hit rate. It effectively will give Ryuuken 30% more effective HP, as well as the benefits of no fury return. He has a decent stamina growth rate, so you really aren't one shotting him, especially since as your clean up hes getting the majority of your stones.

Maybe shine was the wrong word. I think we can both agree, there really isn't a viable option for him to truly shine. It is just so slow to run the dodge/nel stuff. Perhaps I was settling for just a reasonable way to use Ryuuken at the end of the day.

Shini Yoruichi really doesn't rape Ryuuken. My comments were under the assumption you were talking ShiniYoru vs Mugetsu. If you are talking true endgame, 90% crit vs 90% counter, she isn't going to reliably crit to gain that extra fury. Ryuuken would undoubtably one shot Yoruichi and they are both pretty much the same speed.

I actually do agree with you. You can replace Ryuuken in a BRukia cleanup team composition with about 8 other characters in the game and get basically the same effect. I do think Ryuuken is still one of the stronger 1v1 characters, but not by enough to warrant buying a character who is objectively bad at every other aspect of the game.

Shini Kensei, for example, has same str growth, is much faster, has much more of a benefit in other aspects of the game, has more health, and can also hold his own against Mugetsu ( Disarm being one of the only things Mugetsu isn't immune to ).

Ryuuken is one of those characters that is absurd on paper and you try to make him work but it probably ends up doing more harm then good. Unohana Kenpachi is another good example. Insane on paper, you can make nutso plays by Invulning a specific character, etc, but so much can go wrong that it isn't worth trying to abuse her. Granted, she is still really good, but when she came out my mind went straight away to like invulning a Resurection Ulqiorra whos damage is flat nutso, but is weak to basically everything.

595459354

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-12 10:56
If you have 250% hit to 180% dodge, that is a 70% hit rate. It effectively will give Ryuuken 30% m ...

If you are talking true endgame, 90% crit vs 90% counter, she isn't going to reliably crit to gain that extra fury. Ryuuken would undoubtably one shot Yoruichi and they are both pretty much the same speed.

1) She has a crit mod + there's evo --> 90stones + 15%mod + 19.30% (evo) = 124.30%

2) Mugetsu might have a chance because he can decrease fury on 1st round and kill her off in 2 rounds, as for Ryuuken, he hasn't got the damage. And ryuuken won't 1shot Shiniyoru (end game wise, it's difficult for characters of the same kind to 1 shot each other) --> SHe'll get her skill of and that's game.

She might not win 100% of those battles but pretty sure it'd be 80%+

Unohana Kenpachi is another good example. Insane on paper, you can make nutso plays by Invulning a specific character, etc, but so much can go wrong that it isn't worth trying to abuse her

Go ask brah for some links, if you think it all trough... there's a way to make it work 100% of the time.

But yeah, It's a shame they made him a slowpoke since he has some potential.

ps: You should focus more on speed than sta/hp unless you're talking about a VG (unless he's immune to void) :p

SeiryuSky

lol you said prelude.... first think it hought of was bach preludes XD

SeiryuSky

Aristeaus replied at 2015-10-11 19:09
You are absolutely entitled to your opinion!

I do find it funny that you tell me to check my mat ...

passive does not surpass 90% limit though tested it before it means it will reduce the amount of stones you need but not surpass it only mods+evo surpasses

Zento-Hazashi

wtf is this thread, all i see is ALVA with buttlong shit paragraphs ( I haven't read them, don't plan to ) and shit that's uncalled for

He's an extremely FOCUSED character that shouldn't be appointed to a team that's just looking for a partner that could simply 'help them', more of the fact that you'd actually focus on him yourself, and surround your formation with him

P.S He's a character that works around his modify, think about how long it takes to get there up high into his mods that he NEEDS, characters don't NEED mods, this one does
      Sure, he can be great, with damage and all, but overall, no partner should solely depend on their mods, and then tremble before other characters simply due to relying on in-game time

Also, he dodges, not immune. ANY CC hitting him is game over, stop making him 'good' or trying to think of possibilities, he's either to be focused with, or left alone, away from your formation