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noctustheking

Lelouch71 replied at 2016-1-25 17:58
umm what's rng? made me curious

probably random attack with random ailments

Aristeaus

I_MIKE_I replied at 2016-1-25 16:57
I guess we wont know until some top-end guys actually test it.

Thing is, the average non-vip-10 w ...

So, here is the thing.... You have no idea what you are talking about.

#1: Katen gives 80% crit rate. This means against even counter stacked characters, Katen will allow your Senju/whatever to crit 80% of the time. Tensa, means you never crit. There is no endgame that does not involve eventually getting Counter on all of your characters.
#2: You did all of your math terribly wrong. A Generic crit does do 1.5x damage. However, crit buffs increase the multiplier. So, with Katen crit skill, it would do 3.1x damage. With Katen + Max Fort? 4.1x damage. Golden Enchant? 4.3x damage. That is 140% TIMES 4.3. If you do 500k damage normally, you are hitting for well over 2 million now.
#3: Speed is not a factor at all. You have 5% higher natural speed with Katen, and if you are faster already, the speed buff does nothing. For example, if your Senju skills first, having +15% speed, still means your Senju skills first, and since speed determines the Zanpakuto order to begin with, it literally will never do anything for you.
#4: Katen's damage doesn't fall off. Everyone who has her has had huge jumps ( like +50% more damage ) in PvE over Tensa. Turns out, when you are hitting for the equivilency of 4 normal skill crits, you can afford to only do it twice a fight. lolol #SimpleMath

On a scale of 100:

Kazeshini is a 10.
Tensa is a 30.
Katen is a 100.

They aren't even close.

Zento-Hazashi

Aristeaus replied at 2016-1-26 00:44
So, here is the thing.... You have no idea what you are talking about.

#1: Katen gives 80% crit r ...

I didn't read it all

but Hozuki is 90 on the scale cos of a sweet af skill animation <3

theunknown404

I_MIKE_I replied at 2016-1-25 16:57
I guess we wont know until some top-end guys actually test it.

Thing is, the average non-vip-10 w ...

Your calculation is slightly off. I've done a lot of work with figuring out how to calculate total damage on my Berserk Renji with all his bonuses. A critical hit gives 50% of a normal attack (multiply normal dmg by 1.5), but when you have bonus crit damage, it additionally multiplies that number. Otherwise, Berserk Renji's 50% critical damage buff would be completely useless. 100% crit bonus means: normalDamage * 1.5 for crit * 2.0 for crit bonus dmg
Also, Katen's critical damage bonus buff is 160% for one round. It raises crit rate by 80%. 140% skill attack + 50% of normal dmg for crit + fortify 100% + katen's skill 160% = 450% dmg of a normal attack. Also, if you use golden enchant stones to get the 20% crit dmg bonus on your weapon, 470% of a normal attack, so it's almost equivalent to attacking all enemies five times with normal hits. That's not even mentioning that Senjumaru has two attack character bonds, so her normal attack could potentially be 27% higher.


You are going to need a really good team to survive that. It probably could be done, though.


Katen does make up a little bit for their lack of speed buff by making the supporters 9% faster at start up than Tensa. Only 6% additional speed is missing after the first move, so at least it isn't a huge hole. Additionally, you could leave out hiki and use both Oetsu and Kirinji if you think they can get the job done that round. They are both heavy hitters, so they might have chance, not to mention their effects. In fact, that's one thing you have to worry about with Mayuri. He can have lots of block, but if he gets hit with 90% mutilate, he's done. He's so very slow and lacks fury deducton immunity, so he wouldn't have his shield up in time.

More than anything, I want Katen for PvE, though.

EDIT: Oh okay, someone finished answering before me xD

Lelouch71

Devvoke2 replied at 2016-1-25 20:21
random number generator  its commonly used to decide factors in games like how much an effect/skil ...

ooh so you're implying his skill hits randomly,he may/may not burn the enemy.. stuff like that i get it

I_MIKE_I

Aristeaus replied at 2016-1-25 19:44
So, here is the thing.... You have no idea what you are talking about.

#1: Katen gives 80% crit r ...

#1 I was only putting the DMG in relation, to show people what dmg output they could expect / weither or not Katen would allow actually 1-hitting people reliably. Because as mentioned, you might get screwed if you "waste" some speed for other things and allow a enemy Hikifune to slot in.

#2 I didnt find any info on how the crit dmg increase works, so I assumed it would work like it does in other Games. If what you write is true, then it sure is quite awesome.

#3 Speed is a important factor... lets assume the following:
Team A: Senju+Hikifune+assault+vg with katen
Team B: Senju+Hikifune+assault+vg with tensa

Team A goes first with Senju, kills main+assault.
IF Team B's Senju attacks before team A's Hikifune, then Team B's Tensa will give the Speed Buff to Hikifune, allowing her to put the enemy Hikifune off of T1.

In T2+, Team B with the Speedbuff would be faster.


#4 I wonder how there's such an amount of people which had tensa and went for Katen on the 1st Day... while no Reports are to be found on the forum. I would have expected at least some reservation to throw away Tensa.

Even assuming you're correct with the DMG increase on crits, you can't make sure the 2nd active comes in at the same time as your chars skill (unless all your team skills every round), since a decent PvE Team will usually have Senju + Kensei/Isshin.

Another thing worth mentioning is, that Katen's bonus on crit damage doesnt do crap if your base damage is low. So it won't let you beat someone with flat out much stronger chars easily, just because you've stacked agi.

Anyway, I've yet to see any Battlereports...  kinda surprised nobody posted them, would have loved to see the animation.

theunknown404

Devvoke2 replied at 2016-1-25 20:21
random number generator  its commonly used to decide factors in games like how much an effect/skil ...

He could be good for a finisher still. First move, nah.