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Aristeaus

I_MIKE_I replied at 2016-1-25 20:31
#1 I was only putting the DMG in relation, to show people what dmg output they could expect / weit ...

Nothing you wrong about #3 matters at all.

Team A attacks with Senju Katen buffed. Team B DIES.

There is no Turn 2. Senju will one shot any Assaulter and Support on the enemy team, and the enemy VG is dead a attack or two later.

Katen's crit damage buff does a fuck load even if your base damage is low. I really don't think you understand how multiplication works. Additionally, who the fuck is ever going to have a 40,000 gold Zanpakuto with LOW base damage? That's a dumb thing to even contemplate.

Anyway, there is a thread with battle reports. Literally teh first one posted by Noctus, has a Bankai Rukia critting for 3+ million damage. So... go find that.

RiadDahoe

theunknown404 replied at 2016-1-25 14:29
Yes, the frags have doubled under Accelerate Modify, but Senjumaru and Hisagi both naturally have  ...

nice.... and painful since i dont have them ..ouch

I_MIKE_I

Aristeaus replied at 2016-1-25 20:42
Nothing you wrong about #3 matters at all.

Team A attacks with Senju Katen buffed. Team B DIES.

First, before you get what I write, stop insulting me.

Second, I know what multiplication means.

It means that you can have a 1000% Multiplier that doesn't help crap if your base damage is too low to damage the enemy.

Senju has 140% atk, if the enemy's supports have stronger gear/stones and what-not, it's not set in stone that Senju+Katen one shot the Sups, which means the enemy with Tensa isn't automatically gonna lose just because you get your Senju faster with stacking AGI+Katen being faster than Tensa.

I just want to make sure people notice that Katen works a bit different compared to the former good/top Zanpakuto which pretty much all gave a speed buff on active, ensuring all partners who's speed you cared about were faster if one was.

theunknown404

RiadDahoe replied at 2016-1-25 20:46
nice.... and painful since i dont have them ..ouch

Yup, that feeling when I found out they aren't even selling Senjumaru in this event but are putting her in Accel modify. lol GG

Aristeaus

I_MIKE_I replied at 2016-1-25 21:11
First, before you get what I write, stop insulting me.

Second, I know what multiplication means.

First, sorry, but you make it really easy.

Second, Really don't think you do, since you still don't seem to get it.

Even a mediocre Senjumaru can easily reach 300k Kido attack with around +50% damage rate.

300k x 1.4 ( 140% skill ) = 420,000.
420,000 x 1.50 ( 50% damage rate ) = 630,000.
630,000 x 4.3 ( Katen buff, Fortify, and Golden Enchant ) = 2,709,000.

That is a mediocre one. Not a good Senjumaru. Not a stacked Senjumaru, and certainly not a VIP 9+ stacked Senjumaru.

Finally, The Good/Top Zanpakuto's giving speed buffs is, and has always been, complete irrelevant. The only time it ever mattered, was if your opponent:

1: Didn't have a zan with speed buff of his own.
2: Didn't wipe you/most of your team out on Turn 1.
3: Didn't CC your team in any way.
4: You have a character that survived, and could somehow turn the fight in your favor.

Which happens maybe once every 10,000 fights? So you are right, that "Speed buff" attached to Zanpakutos accounted for .01% on wins throughout the games history.

playbleach2

gogeta654321 replied at 2016-1-25 23:25
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#LOL FOLLOWING THE ALGORITHM

I_MIKE_I

Aristeaus replied at 2016-1-25 22:19
First, sorry, but you make it really easy.

Second, Really don't think you do, since you still don ...

But AFAIK (and seen on Battlereports so far) crit etc. seems to be working like damage rate modifiers, which only raises the damage you do. If the enemy has higher stacked supports, your Base Damage would be low, and that low damage would get multiplied.

Granted, most going for Katen atm have never seen it, since they're in a spot where they are either whiped out by the one stronger than them right away, or dominate the opposition like that.


Again you fail to understand what I'm going on about.

With Katen, the only char you're granted to be faster than the enemy with the same formation and Tensa is Senju.

Your Senju -> His Senju -> His Hikifune -> His Tenjiro/Oetsu (?)

If the enemy's Supports survive, be it with aid, because they're more stacked or whatever, then he's got the upper hand.

Aristeaus

I_MIKE_I replied at 2016-1-26 03:49
But AFAIK (and seen on Battlereports so far) crit etc. seems to be working like damage rate modifie ...

Defensive stats get applied after all the damage modifiers. So that 200k Kido defense you had, its only ever going to reduce kido damage by 200k. If it works to reduce base damage, it would be suprisingly overpowered.

The only "defensive" stat that modifies the multipliers is Immune rate. And really Damage and Immune rate are just the same modifier, but on different sides of the fight.

1: Who ever said Senju was the only fast character you could use? After all, you have Katen with +9% innate. Even Kirinji could be faster then a Tensa user with Senju.
2: For the enemy supports to survive, it would require either Aid Rate or massive stack difference.

In the case of Aid rate it would actually require multiple aid rates. A Tensa Senjumaru probably isn't one one shotting. Hikifune is likely the only single Aid rate that could make a difference alone, but shes slow. If 4/5ths of your team is wiped out before the fight even really starts, it shouldn't be overly difficult to win even with a single Aid.

The stack difference would have to be like the difference between me and BWG, or a F2P and me. If they are that stacked, then it doesn't matter all that much anyway.

gogeta654321

playbleach2 replied at 2016-1-26 09:23
#LOL FOLLOWING THE ALGORITHM

#NO

# JUST RETURNED FROM MATH CLASS

# IT FUCKING SUCKS

# DAMN THOSE THEOREMS