Ultra Hero who to pick

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GiroDenis replied at 2017-5-16 01:40
You always gives so good tips and in-depth points of view, I love u for that bro. Kukaku and Isane ...

Ah right, thanks for that comment! ^^

Yeah they're great partners aren't they? Great combo to have whilst not over-doing it too ^^

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LadyKyojin replied at 2017-5-16 03:14
this is an interesting team active heal from isane,

reason i was looking at noble because shes ha ...

Although obtaining Noble Isane might be a good choice, as said before she will take a considerable amount of work to put in in order to be useful, whilst the concept of her is to be surrounding the assaulters in her formation; she's only good for 2+ assaulters in 1 formation and ofc as I said, assaulter focused formations ^^

Generally assaulters are slow, and even if they are fast, you would want Noble Isane to become faster than them; she will need work put in here just to apply the Damage Rate boost. This may not seem problematic, however that means your trump card (assaulters) won't be used until it's their turn to go, which means most likely the enemy team has already had their turn. So your assaulters would have to be extremely focused in order to make use of this slow turned strategy.
There are indeed fast assaulters, such as Koga, but as stated before, he will need alot of work to put in, which can bring your team down if not done properly

Although Noble Isane does give 20% defence to the team alongside Haschwalth, in terms of formation efficiency, this would be overdoing it unfortunately, as alongside her 70% damage rate that I just talked about, this would be a small upgrade to simply stack attributes which aren't necessary or can be replaced with better stats, such as the Isane who would give defensive attributes + offensive attributes every round whilst not needing as near as much work as Noble Isane & assaulter formatting in order to be useful ^^

Really, it boils down to whether or not you would actually turn into an assaulter focused formation, and I mean completely focused! If that's not going to happen, it will unfortunately fall apart and be a complete waste
Also Noble Isane isn't exactly that fast in terms of other speedy competition too, so she will have a troublesome time in setting off her skill in the first place as she just may end up dead, resulting in you wasting resources on her such as agility stones and then you can't even use them in action. If you have people like Isane, she can tank the few hits before her skill due to her defensive attributes, whilst also not needing as much resources, she pretty much only needs Stamina, Wisdom, Fury stones and Crit in order to work efficiently! ^^

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jgooner replied at 2017-5-16 13:14
u should write a book xd

Oh, i've wrote a few, positioned in both auth/co-auth positions ^^

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MylarHyrule replied at 2017-5-16 13:14
what about Hiki, Hasch, Mayuri, Kukaku, Main?    with that RJ, Mayuri and Kukaku should be impossi ...

Yeah would be impossible to take down, when looking at it from a higher up position tho

Unfortunately, that team has 1 little error which is the Hiki, who doesn't fit there at all, and should be immediately replaced with another; she would end up being overshadowed completely and not being used as efficiently as she could be due to her mix up of being that 1 little offensive partner in a full team of defensive partners who work greatly with their Zanpakuto, she's almost there for nothing! Kind of overdone/overkill on her part but in a bad way ^^

Mayuri isn't great, period. Yes that's the general view of him but it's best to look at him in the general view to make such comments about him else we can create any situation to place him in and make him work best there. He's only suited for Fully defensive formations, and even then, he becomes even more specific for when he can start being useful, as in order to be useful, that defensive team has to be heavily involved in working around Mayuri; ALOT of work needs to be put in if he wants to be competitive, and again, he's only compatible in specific formations, as that's how his partner was created to be! Just made for certain formations, and this one isn't it unfortunately

Now of course this can be done, it would just need the very best of defensive players or best players in general to use this formation in order for it to be working competitively, and even generally those deemed as the best players in this game have only 1/2 partners stacked anyways, but since this formation is very specific, it can easily get countered by other formations that the general population use ^^

MylarHyrule

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2017-5-16 15:31
Yeah would be impossible to take down, when looking at it from a higher up position tho

Unfortunat ...

sounds good, except you are wrong...  just because a partner is good at something does not mean they have no other utility...  and scratch Kukaku and replace with Noza...

Stack your Mayuri and Noza to 200%+ block rate, high physical def and kido def to make them tanky, damage dealing block monsters (While RJ is in effect on both sides making this much more effective) Hasch is blistering fast letting RJ go off as early as possible, and Hiki is there for her invurln and damage boost...  yes a lot of strong partners have a mod to ignore invurln, but a lot of the stronger partners don't, and a lot of the copies of the partners with it, don't have the mod in effect.    It's okay, I understand, you haven't seen a support be used in a supporting role lately, no, really, I get it...  she is there for support, not to run the show

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MylarHyrule replied at 2017-5-16 23:49
sounds good, except you are wrong...  just because a partner is good at something does not mean th ...

I never said they have no other utility xD
I stated Mayuri is only designed for specific formations, alongside many partners that are the same, and these formations take a lot out of the user in order to use this formation effectively and actually obtain results, that's all I said, i'm very literal please don't assume things for what I said xD What you just said there,

Stack your Mayuri and Noza to 200%+ block rate, high physical def and kido def to make them tanky

that's exactly what i just said in the comment in reply to your original comment lol, you have to focus around them due to their specific kit, this is bad from both a general view and competitive wise if you aren't able to assist this stacking or deal with the enormous amount of downfalls it provides to your overall team

You even went to the block example and high defence everything on Mayuri which is exactly what I was talking about

This takes alot more effort and damages your team alot more than you think, again, I stated only the actual best are able to perform and create a team like this whilst making it work competitively (I'm just repeating what i said in the comment above yours lol), i've already said everything about this

To do all this and have a working high working Hasch and Hiki alongside all you said, you're talking about what i stated before about being having to be one of the best in order for this to work:

Now of course this can be done, it would just need the very best of defensive players or best players in general to use this formation in order for it to be working competitively

Also wut that last line, I don't get it, i never said that? And i've seen supports being in the support role, as of old and lately All my talks have been about Hiki being a support playing in the support position, same as Isane, please don't judge me and my talks and read it carefully

LadyKyojin

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2017-5-16 20:11
Although obtaining Noble Isane might be a good choice, as said before she will take a considerable ...

cool i understand now i will go with your last proposal xD i was just pointing out the mods that usful but insane sound the better choice and perfect replacement for hiki.

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LadyKyojin replied at 2017-5-17 00:44
cool i understand now i will go with your last proposal xD i was just pointing out the mods that u ...

Yeah that's fine! Best to make sure everything is clear in a decision your about to make or see if something might be good or bad  ^^

Yeah when looking at it, Isane pretty much is one of the perfect replacements for her, as long as her healing can be used greatly of course

Anyways, good luck for the future! Be sure to keep us up to date with any upgrades of yours! ^^

LadyKyojin

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2017-5-17 00:59
Yeah that's fine! Best to make sure everything is clear in a decision your about to make or see if ...

yeh sure man thanks for the tips i will sure to post pics and maybe a BR lol

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LadyKyojin replied at 2017-5-17 01:01
yeh sure man thanks for the tips i will sure to post pics and maybe a BR lol

Will be looking forward to them

And welcome anytime! ^^