Harribel vs Momo? Level 50 gold

[email protected]

Is level 50 gold Harribel better than Momo?

Or maybe Yaumchi for controlling supports?

Who at level 50 gold ranking should you recruiting in the tavern for 1000 Reishi if anyone?

Also assulters, I have 2 sets of level 5 counters but people are saying block is better? or do you use both block and counter?

I am running

1 2 2

Sado (VG)
(Main Ghost Blade) (AS) and Renj (AS)
Momo (Support) Orehimei (Support)

I have rukia as well.

Momo seems ok for pvp but I seem to have to use anti control soul skill on main with this comp

I kinda wanna run 1 3 1 and use rukia with 3 fast assaulters and just win on the 1st round.

Anyway any advuce will be greatly appreciated

I am on server 52 currently ranked 1 overall level 56 (5th day server is out)

Glasglow

Yes she is better than Momo, but i would not advise spending 1000 gold reishi just to replace a support that you already have, upgrading its version.

First of all, to compete in lv70+ content for PvE, you will need Yoruichi, because support mobs become too beastly to handle, without fully upgraded 70+ gear, which is not very wise to make, or cheap, nor realistic until later in the 70ties.

If you want a assaulter composition, you should have topped up to get rangiku, and you would have had main/rangiku/renji for your 1-3-1 composition, but rangiku falls of hard at lv65+,  so depending on how fast you level up, i wouldn't strongly recommend getting her at this point.

Sado also falls off really fast at 70+, so replacing him with Komamura is a must , if you want to be able to even do PvE content, not to mention that his massive defense boost, makes him an overall better tank even in PvP.

So you basically need 2000 reishi for yoruichi and komamura, you can skip yoruichi and suffer until much later levels to fight the espada and save your other reishi for lv80+ partners, but it'll be hard and annoying at best.

Another great partner to have leveled up, is actually Ichigo, if you want to run a assaulter killing composition, i strongly recommend him, because you can't really replace him until much later, and by much later, i mean lv90+.

[email protected]

I though Lisa and renji were better than free ichigo, I have reng as well, Renji and Lisa. But if you are saying level ichigo ok, but why?

Also what about Kensei for assaulter?

Or does 70-80 come a bit fast and I just need to be patient?

If that is the case gear?

I have forged some 50 gold stuff and full 50 purple sets and have both sets of level 1 ultimate gear or w/e you buy with gold.

I will be getting the level 60 Balrog set for 1 of my characters

Is there anything else I should focus on, whats the usual progression with gear?

Glasglow

Yes exactly, 80 comes way too fast, i made 500 Reishi by the time i was level 75~76, so getting a whole 1000 reishi takes you about the exact time you'll need to get from 70 to 80, you can't exactly waste that reishi either because every bit is precious. (Altho i did have to use about 70-80 gold reishi to level up Kommamura to 70 and transfer my gear from Sado to him).

Kensei is a slightly upgraded version of Renji, he is good, but no THAT good, and as i said, you will not have 3000 reishi to spare to get him, Komamura and Yoruichi, which are higher priority.

Now about Lisa and Ichigo, Renji falls into a different category than the previous two, because Lisa and Ichigo are used in Assaulter rush killing builds, these builds empathize going around the sturdy Vanguard, directly to the squishy assaulter back line and killing them before they can kill your own assaulters, in which case Ichigo has lower base stats than Lisa, but he has one big, big, huge actually advantage over her.
Unlike Lisa, Ichigo only needs 50 fury to get his engine roaring, and then his skill enables him to get 100 fury each time he uses it, basically letting him hit the enemy assaulter line every turn after the first, which i repeat, is a huge advantage.
If you can't kill the enemy assaulter line in one shot with lisa, then you should probably not even get her and waste precious EXP and time on her. (Yes EXP is precious and if you level about random partners, you'll end up having to buy reishi tomes.)

So with that said, Ichigo is a bit weaker stat wise, but he can constantly hit the assaulter line, while Lisa needs two auto attacks to charge up her special skill and go for the assaulters again, by which time, ichigo would have already did 260% damage on them, while lisa only 135%. And honestly, Ichigo is like not that much weaker than Lisa in general, he has 0.1/0.1/0.1 STR/AGI/WIS less, but has higher stamina by 0.3, which offsets the other stats.

Alright, now that those questions are answered, lets see what else you asked...

Gear, my suggestion is, make one lv70 red set for your Vanguard, and fully upgraded it to the limit, then Make a pair of weapon and boots for your main, and don't bother with the lv70 set afterwards, because you will notice that you will be gasping for Blue/Red stars, to spirit forge the gear.
It is very expenssive to make a full red set, and even just weapon and boots take 40 Hollowfire Stones to make them red, which is a lot of stars, that you will need for the lv80 set, because as you will notice - the lv80 set costs the same amount of stars as the Lv70 set, so better not waste all of them on lv70, plus you will most likely spend ALL your stars on making just ONE set and a few extra parts, so  you will end up needing to gather for the other lv70 set parts as you level past 70 - not very efficient.

As for your gold sets, replace all your purple gear with gold and wear that gold until 80 pretty much, except the gear that i mentioned above.

As for Balrog, best give it to your vanguard, then give your main the red set , i actually read about the balrog a bit too late, but that works too, or you can skip the lv70 set altogether, and get just weapon/boots for your main, your choice.You can even give your main the Balrog weapon and boots, and let the vanguard keep the defensive parts, because he doesn't need the weapon, nor boots that much really , and your main would benefit from them much more.

The usual progression with gear is, boots+weapon, but the difference between having lv50 gold and lv70 red weapon/boots is not very convincing because you lose the set bonus, which ofsets a big part of the difference in BP and stats that you got from the upgrade, but at the same time, i think that there is a bit more going on than just visual stats, i think that lv50 gear just loses flat out to lv70 gear in actual pvp, but i haven't confirmed that yet.

[email protected]

ok and 1 more question,

Is Manor / Gose worth buying for 3000 gold in honor shop? do you get it free or reduced later on in anyway?

Also gambling, is there a point in doing this daily?

So im going to get 2 full Balrog sets, but whats this 60 ultimate thing I hear about? Is it another version of the level 1 cash shop gear?

So you said make 50 gear all gold? or 1 set 70 red and boots / weapon for main red? (for 70) and other party members use which?

[email protected]

Money talks thrust me 2balrog set is really enough for save ur place at arena rank 1 i m at US-42 and 3rd in arena rank but our number 1 has 2 balrog set so he got 100k bp higher than me i cant even damage him at arena and guild wars =) but in pve events like ryoka attack i can catch him so close =) when u got lvl 65 with and got kazeshini u will be undefeatable with ur 2 baldrog sets ^^

Glasglow

The lv60 Ultimate IS the balrog set.

I wouldn't recommend getting two balrog sets to be honest IF you can get the Cyclone sets, , balrog falls off quickly, lv70 gear will have about same stats as the lv60 balrog, balrog will still be a bit stronger but not by much.

If you really want a balrog set, just get one, not more, save for the lv80 ones, they are the best investment.

And no, you don't get Manor or Gose for free, don't know about reductions and no they are not worth your 3000 and 5000 gold.

I said make all sets gold 50 at-least, then upgrade one set into gold 70, since you want to have decent gear on all your partners, you can't have them run around in lv40 gear.

[email protected]

I have the Gold buy VIP level 1 sets on 2 right now. I also have 3 full 50 sets purple. and 3 golden weapons (1 for each) are you saying finish off a 50 set all gold?

Then keep that and when 70 comes get a full 70 gold set? obviously a 70 purple. Plus the Balrog and then buy a cyclone for 80?

Little confused.

[email protected]

well I bought 2 sets of Balrog and a cyclone set might buy 1 more cyclone set. Im assuming I can 3 sets of cyclone 2 sets of flame and be set forever right, from 90 onward?

So for now, should I spend the time to get a 50 purple set to 50 gold, is there a 60 puple set? or just 70 purple?

Glasglow

[email protected] replied at 2014-9-18 17:29
I have the Gold buy VIP level 1 sets on 2 right now. I also have 3 full 50 sets purple. and 3 golden ...

Yes i meant that you should make all your lv50 sets gold, and get a lv70 gold set, then upgrade it into red quality.
And there is no lv60 normal set, just lv50, then 70 right after it.

Lv50 set, you craft it from purple, then you can spirit forge it into gold.

Lv70 set, you craft it from gold, then you can spirit forge it into red.