Sado Vs Yachiru

marold

Glasglow replied at 2014-9-8 02:41
Sado, this is like not even a debate, yachiru is uber garbage.
And for people saying "Yachiro got me ...

Yeah there's no debate as u're saying

Sure i'm not top 3 But the 2nd on my server could tell u i'm still dangerous for him. And he has 100k bp more than me.
The first one it's another problem actually. He's second on all server in BP ranking and that not by chance only.

And komamura is not so good as i can see. Most of the time, he has a good, but never yachiru died first.
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Takase Hikaru US4
Lvl79
4th arena ranking
BP  248500 08-09-2014

Azureblaise

[email protected] replied at 2014-9-8 01:19
You did not have the correct spirit stones on him then.

Nope, more like my enemies all had break defenses, but lacked Hit =^_^=

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marold replied at 2014-9-8 03:04
Yeah there's no debate as u're saying

Sure i'm not top 3 But the 2nd on my server could tell u  ...

If you are trying to say Yachiru is better that Koma, you've done lost your ever loving mind. Yachiru isn't even better than Sado, because Dodge is worthless vs hit, as where that early in the game, due to Sado's fury ability, it is unlikely you will ever have enough break defense to get pass his block %.

But both fail in compairison to Sajin by far. He's the best defensive tank in the game that's not in a cash shop.

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Azureblaise replied at 2014-9-8 16:12
Nope, more like my enemies all had break defenses, but lacked Hit =^_^=

Most good players are not going to lack the hit needed to hit Yachiru, you don't even need that much hit to do so, even if she stacked dodge stones. Dodge is practically worthless mid game and on, for PvP and PvE.

Glasglow

[email protected] replied at 2014-9-12 09:08
Most good players are not going to lack the hit needed to hit Yachiru, you don't even need that mu ...

Indeed, i have like 137% HIT, with the most average HIT stones you can find, most of them R4 and a few R5.

Yachiru would need at-least 70% dodge, to even be mildly useful against my assaulters.

welopezp

Hi, how i could stone and infuse my chad?? STR-BLOCK OR HP-BLOCK? them block and stamina stones?
Thx a lot

marold

[email protected] replied at 2014-9-12 09:06
If you are trying to say Yachiru is better that Koma, you've done lost your ever loving mind. Yach ...

Yoruichi ---- > need only one thing to be usefull Dodge spirit stone.
Sado ----> Block/counter and strenght spirit stone.

To counter Yachiru u need 5 hit stone for each dodge stone on Yachiru. On for each character. Don't forget that Yachiru dodge rate upgrade with lvl. So for same level same difficult.

But it's true too that to be competitive u need something like 50% dodge rate more  than u're opponent hit rate.
With 90% base it's a big invest at start but really profitable on long term.

When a fight occur. First speed tell us who act first.
Then attack occur and damage make.
Third, strategy of each player (stun lock/ddamage dealing) will make difference.

With block skill u're passive. If u're opponent speed is better than u, he can use furry before u. And stun/heal/damage all u're party members.... U just sit and watch. More power mean more easy victory. For Overpower ppl it's an easy way.

With dodge skill u can break that. Because someone who don't touch u're vanguard gain.... 0 rage point.
Killing Yachiru in one or two strike is not possible too... to much hit point if u use a defense zanpakuto.
So acting last is no more a problem. Cause u will use fury before and u can easily defeat u're opponent (who can be much more powerfull).

U don't have to spent so much in all u're character, u just need to specialyse them a little.
Like in my team. Yachiru dodge and do nothing more.
My main(kido) do most of the damage so he can act last it's not a problem. Yachiru is able to survive two or three round without any help. And so he need only few spirit stone (wisdom, hit and break defense)
Yoruichi stun/decrease rage on support lane (need hit stone and little agility), to act before opponent supporter's lane.
Haribel (hit stone and agility) to act first and stun/decrease rage on assaulters lane.
Orihime (nothing just heal a little to resplendish Yachiru hp sometimes).

Don't need to be OP to defeat ppl of same level. Very easy to control them in pvp fight. And with that i can make some difficult to ppl with much more BP.

Better than Koma... yes if u use her well. Need less spirit stone on all u're team member to be competitive cause of Yachiru dodge ability. Telling she's better on all point. No. Saijin is better than her for Hollow map king and trial.
U need to make a bigger invest on her at start but more profitable on long term. Don't need to upgrade her with saijin at lvl 70 for exemple and need less spirit stone too. Playing with her at lvl 80 is not a problem too.

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marold replied at 2014-9-14 10:20
Yoruichi ---- > need only one thing to be usefull Dodge spirit stone.
Sado ----> Block/counter and  ...

You don't need 5 hit stones per 1 dodge stone...not sure where you got that. You can have all lvl 8 dodge stones on her and me have all lvl 6 hit stones and I'll never miss you. My kenpachi with 6 level 6 hit stones which is EASY to achieve, gives him 200% hit. Hell 6 lvl 5 hit stones give my Unohana 166% hit.

At no point is she ever ever ever better than Sajin. Dodge is useless mid/late game. PvE battles, the npc's have insanely high hit. You can't dodge. Making her useless already. If she takes a hit she has no inate physical defense/strat defense and she takes a giant chunk of damage. She is not tanky. Hell I kill most people's Sajin in round 1 with normal attacks.

You thinking someone can't hit you in the 70-80's level range is silly, they will have more than enough hit to crush Yachiru by then. I've never been dodged by a Yachiru, ever. I also one shot her with a NORMAL attack. My supports who aren't all that never miss her, and one normal attack takes her to half.

She is very shady to use mid level and just dumb to use late game. I'm going to take a wild guess that you don't have 6 lvl 8 dodge stones on her, and even then, they would only need 6 lvl 5/6 stones to hit you everytime. In which case, with her slow speed she would be dead before she could even use a fury attack.

Block is very useful, you take less damage and dmg the enemy back. Being able to take less damage over a fight is so more valuable thatn maybe getting lucky and dodging once in an entire fight. Which is what you would get even with lvl 8 dodge stones.

marold

I didn't says they can't hit me. I m' saying they can miss. It's not the same thing.

Most of main character are able to hit her without any problem. It's why an other charater like Haribel; who is very usefull (and it's magic u can have her at lvl 70). Cause she's faster than them more easily need less invest. Only uppgrade her speed.
Yachiru is still usefull cause opponent need to upgrade all their character with hit stone. If they don't upgrade orihime for exemple. They can't expect to heal their own vanguard.
And lvl 6 hit stone on Orihime are not a good invest i think.

And then u need to boost up more than u're only main character to be competitive.
Yashiru is very usefull for tactical fight and so for pvp.

It's not a problem in mid game. At last i'm lvl +80 and have no problem to stay 4th in arena ranking.
Fight and win with someone who have 250 k bp more than me it's ridiculous. it's simply not possible.
But fight and win with some who have 100 k bp more than me it's possible.

Cause i need less spirit stone on all my team than other ppl who need to upgrade all there team members.
So i do less damage, but more easy to specialize my team mate and to use tactic in fight.
For same level only.
I u compare only Yachiru with other vanguard she's pretty useless at high lvl. But As i says before she need less invest on long term to be competitive in a full team, and u could use those invest on other character.

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marold replied at 2014-9-14 11:00
I didn't says they can't hit me. I m' saying they can miss. It's not the same thing.

Most of main c ...

Actually Hit is the second stone recommended on Unohana, and 3rd on Ori. I have lvl 5/6 hit stones on Unohana/Yoruichi ect because I already got lvl 7/8 Agility/Wisdom/Crit stones on them, and put extra hit stones on them.

For a mid level VIP getting stones shouldn't be to hard.
Anyways, I'm not saying she is to terrible, she is good early game, falls off mid game, and is near useless late game. I'm saying at no point is she ever better than Sajin, his base stats, tankyness, and fury skill are just to valuable late game for PvP and PvE. I have almost 60% dodge on him and he rarely dodges. But his block is amazing and keeps him alive that much longer.