Shuhei Hisagi's Mods

I_MIKE_I

Zento-Hazashi replied at 2015-12-16 10:43
Lmfao more of a Hiki counter than Hisagi already

#EndHikiEra

Hisaki isn't too much of a Hiki counter as he doesnt ignore invincibility and most importantly, he's still slower than Hikifune and Oetsu.

So far, the only viable Hikifune counter I see is Oetsu and while everyone keeps crying for a Hikifune counter, I dont see Oetsu being used much.

As far as Senju is concerned, we have to wait and see how her Skill/Talent/Stats are, but I think IF they wanted an assault to be a hard counter to a support in terms of speed etc. it would have been Yhwach.

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I_MIKE_I replied at 2015-12-16 12:15
Hisaki isn't too much of a Hiki counter as he doesnt ignore invincibility and most importantly, he ...

oetsu , yhwach , senjumaru and tenjiro are counter to her lol

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Sylencer90 replied at 2015-12-16 12:19
since when senju without even knowing what her skill does?

her mod lol , you just need oetsu to reduce fury then senju skills since

oetsu>hiki

I_MIKE_I

[email protected] replied at 2015-12-16 12:17
oetsu , yhwach , senjumaru and tenjiro are counter to her lol

Oetsu, yes due to being faster, having fury reduction and so on.

Tenjiro is too random for my taste, but sure... he's somewhat of a counter if he hits her.

Yhwach... no, he has no immunity to fury deduction, he's slower and you'd rely on having stacked vs. a non-stacked hikifune, not to mention that even if stacked, he's very unlikely to survive vs. Oetsu+Hikifune.

Senju... well, we have to know her stats+skills first. Being immune to fury deduction and ignoring invincibility doesnt help if you die before you can make use of it.

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I_MIKE_I replied at 2015-12-16 12:26
Oetsu, yes due to being faster, having fury reduction and so on.

Tenjiro is too random for my tas ...

well she wouldn't be one shotted lol and yeah yhwach pretty much is due to his shield that immune to all debuffs ....

I_MIKE_I

[email protected] replied at 2015-12-16 12:29
well she wouldn't be one shotted lol and yeah yhwach pretty much is due to his shield that immune  ...

His has a low % chance to activate when hit, meaning he takes the first hit+fury reduction anyway.

In a 1v1 yhwach sure would beat hikifune, but not in a team fight, where he's going to eat multiple skills before he can do his in turn 2...

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I_MIKE_I replied at 2015-12-16 12:32
His has a low % chance to activate when hit, meaning he takes the first hit+fury reduction anyway. ...

30% isn't low lol

I_MIKE_I

[email protected] replied at 2015-12-16 12:34
30% isn't low lol

It's 20% and doesnt help when getting thrown from T1 AFAIK.

I'm currently fighting someone with a Yhwach stacked WAY more than my Hikifune and he barely survives a hit from her... currently he dies because he hasnt fully modded him but I'll get my Oetsu to T1 way before he gets his Yhwach fully modded.

Zento-Hazashi

I_MIKE_I replied at 2015-12-16 17:15
Hisaki isn't too much of a Hiki counter as he doesnt ignore invincibility and most importantly, he ...

well you see it doesn't matter about the speed, it's why they've added so much technical stuff to him

He can't lose fury, so he's going to skill, and when he does skill he can disarm and make enemy lose fury; Hiki is unable to gain skill back from 2 methods and alot of damage is coming out from that skill of Hisagi (yes they will be invulnerable, but not invincible, so they can still be affected by debuffs). Reason why speed doesn't matter:

1). The skill is technical, as long as he hits the debuffs all is good
2). The Invulnerability is only 1 round, so after the enemy (or enemies) attack once, they lose the debuff, so being slower is actually how you're able to hit the enemy team, Hisagi can easily do this.

honestly these 2 characters are coming out to 'nerf' out Hiki, that #HikiEra is no joke and has changed the game completely, im quite positive they've noticed this too xD

I'm quite sure by looking at both their mods, Senju will pretty much be the same thing but in supporter position, so customers can buy either one of them depending if they are full on assaulters or not ^^